I don't think my sig was politically incorrect or anti-semetic before

A subtle point.

Right now 98.4% of ALL ICE is mined in highsec, with no word as to actual demand for the resulting products.

Post-patch, a maximum of 80% of DEMAND will be supplied by highsec.

Keep in mind that in another thread, Fozzie said that the supply of ice right now is so high as to be effectively infinite, though to be fair it wasn't clear if he meant the available supply or the mined supply. Still, "98.4% of all ice mined" and "80% of supply met" are not comparing equivalent numbers.

YEPPERZ ICE belts are definitely begining to get get crowded! So crowded you may want to look into purchasing the ORE Faction ICE harvestors I put up for sale in Jita that increase your range & make bumping that much more difficult!

Also once Odyssy hits & ICE starts depleteing faster then an ice cube in hell these ORE Faction harvetors will give you an edge in fast draining the next ICE slab thats just out of reach to the poor noobs that don't have the boosted range you'll have!

The question we have to ask , is it going to rise high enough to make nullsec ice minning worth it?


(the correct answer is, it is never worth it to mine ice)

I would just like to point out that ice in high sec will cover 80% of "current" demand. But as ice prices increase the demand will decrease (basic demand supply curve), so at the end we might see that high sec ice minning will be sufficient to cover the new demand (at higher prices of course). The question we have to ask , is it going to rise high enough to make nullsec ice minning worth it?


(the correct answer is, it is never worth it to mine ice)

I don't think my sig was politically incorrect or anti-semetic before

That's what I have told in another thread, but they won't believe me.

THe question is 2,500 ice blocks going to be from one big block or 50 different "astroids", becasue if they are there is going to be more interactivity required. Also twice the pull rate may make sense for Ice farming beyond the 20+ ship one man shops, finally. Grabbing a hour worth for 10 + million while doing something on an alt, may be worth doing ,the old return and farming rate was jsut awful (except to the mass AFK collective).

THe question is 2,500 ice blocks going to be from one big block or 50 different "astroids", becasue if they are there is going to be more interactivity required. Also twice the pull rate may make sense for Ice farming beyond the 20+ ship one man shops, finally. Grabbing a hour worth for 10 + million while doing something on an alt, may be worth doing ,the old return and farming rate was jsut awful (except to the mass AFK collective).

The numbers below might not represent the "true" numbers, they are just there to ease the demonstration of the idea.

It is all about oppurtunity cost. Let us assume that the price of ice doubles and now you can make 15m an hour ice minning (I won't even consider the hauling costs, even if you own the freighter it is not free). Now remember ratting in null sec won't be harder than ice minning, press f1. So to actually to have null ice minning as a viable option it should make in an hour at least as much as the next option, which is of course ratting. In this case it will not be a viable option (for the common sense users of course)

On the other hand let us assumes it quadruples in price. Now you will be making 30m an hour which is maybe to some people as good as ratting, now it becomes a viable option. I dont want to go all technical in an eve forum but it will all actually depend on the elasticity of the ice demand curve. If it is high and a little increase in price will make a lot more people use less ice (carebears with manufacting poses that make little profit for example), then null sec ice minning won't be viable. If is low and people will still demand ice (relatively) at the higher prices then we will see ice minning in null sec (and new bot programs that know how to hit the scan and warp to the anamoly) I hope that was clear enough.

Disclaimer: we are talking about eve and we see a lot of people with the I mine it so it is free mentality, but we are only discussing its viability here from a common sense perspective.

Quadruple 15 is not 30, i cannot agree with any other words after this.

Some pilots seem to think the doubling of ice harvester cycle speed will be some sort of "silver bullet" in their favour.

It will be interesting to see how that works out for them given the upcoming changes in game mechanics and how "competitive" more and more pilots will be as the price of ice rises higher and higher.

Fun times.