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Grunnax Aurelius
luna Oscura Clandestina Armada The Nightingales of Hades
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Posted - 2013.05.01 00:07:00 -
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Hey guys o/, as you know the Worm is pretty offten called a over expensive shield version of an Ishkur which it is. The problem with the Worm is its gimped fitting capabilities, needs a bitmore base shield capacity, and its drone bay and bandwith in regards to its older brothers the Gila and Rattlesnake.
Here is the current Skill and Drone Layout: Worm: 25m3 Drone Bay and 25MBit/sec Bandwith Special Ability: 50% bonus to Rocket and Light Missile velocity Caldari Frigate Skill Bonus: 5% shield resistance per level Gallente Frigate Skill Bonus: 5m3 Drone Bay Capacity per level
Gila: 400m3 Drone Bay and 125MBit/sec Bandwith Special Ability: 50% bonus to Heavy, Heavy Assault and light Missile velocity Caldari Cruiser Skill Bonus: 5% shield resistance per level Gallente Cruiser Skill Bonus: 10% bonus to drone hitpoints and damage per skill level
Rattlesnake 400m3 Drone Bay and 125MBit/sec Bandwith Special Ability: 50% bonus to Cruise Missile and Torpedo velocity Caldari Cruiser Skill Bonus: 5% shield resistance per level Gallente Cruiser Skill Bonus: 10% bonus to drone hitpoints and damage per skill level
see whats happened here, now im not saying give the Worm 400m3 Drone Bay and 125MBit/sec Bandwith it would be really broken.
Here is what i propose: Worm: 125m3 Drone Bay and 50MBit/sec Bandwith Special Ability: 50% bonus to Rocket and Light Missile velocity Caldari Frigate Skill Bonus: 5% shield resistance per level Gallente Frigate Skill Bonus: 10% bonus to drone hitpoints and damage per skill level PG: 45MW(+10) CPU: 175tf(+15) Defense (Shield / Armour / Hull): 1000(+203) / 550(-32) / 550 (-73)
I feel this would actually make the Worm actually worth buying and using instead of just sitting in station collecting dust.
Any opinions on this, is it too extreme or bad idea? Two Teir Carriers-áhttps://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=207604&find=unread |
Rroff
Questionable Ethics. Ministry of Inappropriate Footwork
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Posted - 2013.05.01 00:32:00 -
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Probably make it a little over powered for a frig - I'd have thought 75/25 would be ample drone bay/bandwidth along with replacing the pointless drone bay bonus with a drone damage/hp bonus. (and obviously up the PG/CPU a little).
I flew one around on a null roam once just to say I'd done it and had to fly with empty highs to make a half decent fit work its really unloved by whoever came up with the stats for it. |
Grunnax Aurelius
luna Oscura Clandestina Armada The Nightingales of Hades
55
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Posted - 2013.05.01 00:36:00 -
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Well if I'm paying 40+ mil for a hull on a frigate I'd like to have 125m3 / 50MBit for the drones, but that's just how I feel about it. Two Teir Carriers-áhttps://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=207604&find=unread |
Rroff
Questionable Ethics. Ministry of Inappropriate Footwork
247
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Posted - 2013.05.01 00:38:00 -
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Yeah agree with where your coming from, just think a frig able to field a full flight of bonused medium drones is a tiny bit on the extreme side. |
Dato Koppla
Rage of Inferno Malefic Motives
172
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Posted - 2013.05.01 00:40:00 -
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A full flight of damage bonused lights and 125m/3 on a Frig is pretty brutal, but the Worm is absolutely horrible in it's current iteration so maybe that's the push it needs to make it useable, I mean it's a 50mil frig, right now the Ishkur and hell, even the Tristan trumps it. |
Grunnax Aurelius
luna Oscura Clandestina Armada The Nightingales of Hades
55
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Posted - 2013.05.01 00:45:00 -
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i just think a bit more fitting capability and the 125m3 / 50Mbit will bring it into its worth. Being able to take on some cruisers and most frigates. Two Teir Carriers-áhttps://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=207604&find=unread |
Gizznitt Malikite
Agony Unleashed Agony Empire
2071
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Posted - 2013.05.01 01:15:00 -
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Grunnax Aurelius wrote:Well if I'm paying 40+ mil for a hull on a frigate I'd like to have 125m3 / 50MBit for the drones, but that's just how I feel about it.
A full flight of medium drones... +50% to drone damage & HP...
Hell no... that's simply broken & OP.
Much more reasonable: 25 mb bandwidth & 25% bonus to drone damage & HP. |
Grunnax Aurelius
luna Oscura Clandestina Armada The Nightingales of Hades
55
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Posted - 2013.05.01 01:20:00 -
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Gizznitt Malikite wrote:Grunnax Aurelius wrote:Well if I'm paying 40+ mil for a hull on a frigate I'd like to have 125m3 / 50MBit for the drones, but that's just how I feel about it. A full flight of medium drones... +50% to drone damage & HP... Hell no... that's simply broken & OP. Much more reasonable: 25 mb bandwidth & 25% bonus to drone damage & HP. Read above mate please, i states damage and hp bonus would only apply to lights.... Unbonused Hammerheads would be 195DPS, Bonused would be 292.5 DPS.
"i think the ships drone damage bonus should only affect lights as you can see the dps on Hammerheads is a bit extreme with the bonus."
So therefore when fighting a cruiser you will still have slightly more dps with mediums than lights. Two Teir Carriers-áhttps://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=207604&find=unread |
Gizznitt Malikite
Agony Unleashed Agony Empire
2071
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Posted - 2013.05.01 02:19:00 -
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Grunnax Aurelius wrote:Gizznitt Malikite wrote:Grunnax Aurelius wrote:Well if I'm paying 40+ mil for a hull on a frigate I'd like to have 125m3 / 50MBit for the drones, but that's just how I feel about it. A full flight of medium drones... +50% to drone damage & HP... Hell no... that's simply broken & OP. Much more reasonable: 25 mb bandwidth & 25% bonus to drone damage & HP. Read above mate please, i states damage and hp bonus would only apply to lights.... Unbonused Hammerheads would be 195DPS, Bonused would be 292.5 DPS. "i think the ships drone damage bonus should only affect lights as you can see the dps on Hammerheads is a bit extreme with the bonus." So therefore when fighting a cruiser you will still have slightly more dps with mediums than lights.
Sorry I missed your hidden little tidbit... I glazed over our fitting section when I saw 3x fitting implants and no rigs...
As long as the bonus ONLY applies to lights, it's not too bad. Then my 3x DDA II Sentry worm would do only do 200 DPS at 45 km's, or 175 dps at 70 km's. I can't think of any fleet uses for this ship... not in gate camps, not in FW plexes... |
Aglais
Liberation Army Li3 Federation
235
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Posted - 2013.05.01 02:53:00 -
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I definitely support the Worm getting more CPU; it's very tight on it. I also agree that it doesn't really shine compared to any of the AFs anymore despite it's much greater cost.
I don't however accept the idea of launching bigger drones from the Worm; a team of five very heavily bonused light drones should definitely happen, but no mediums or sentries. Keep the 50 m^3 bandwidth by default, and switch the Gallente frigate bonus to a 25% increase to drone damage and HP, with Caldari remaining the shield resist bonus.
I would also consider boosting it's base shields slightly more, as well as increasing it's shipboard DPS (Two launchers, but perhaps with new special abilities being a 75-100% bonus to rocket and light missile damage in addition to flight time perhaps). It's a pirate frigate, and as such should be both expensive, but very worth it. If not the missile based damage increase, I'd definitely advocate the addition of a fifth med slot and more CPU still, exact numbers pending. |
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StrongSmartSexy
Phenix Revolution
11
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Posted - 2013.05.01 03:52:00 -
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Aglais wrote:I definitely support the Worm getting more CPU; it's very tight on it. I also agree that it doesn't really shine compared to any of the AFs anymore despite it's much greater cost.
I don't however accept the idea of launching bigger drones from the Worm; a team of five very heavily bonused light drones should definitely happen, but no mediums or sentries. Keep the 50 m^3 bandwidth by default, and switch the Gallente frigate bonus to a 25% increase to drone damage and HP, with Caldari remaining the shield resist bonus.
I would also consider boosting it's base shields slightly more, as well as increasing it's shipboard DPS (Two launchers, but perhaps with new special abilities being a 75-100% bonus to rocket and light missile damage in addition to flight time perhaps). It's a pirate frigate, and as such should be both expensive, but very worth it. If not the missile based damage increase, I'd definitely advocate the addition of a fifth med slot and more CPU still, exact numbers pending. Will have to wait until Guristas pirate ships are rebalanced. Rattlesnake and Worm remain very unpopular given their low damage output (compared to other pirate equivalents) and the pathetic missile velocity bonus which isn't very useful given the distinct lack of abundant launchers on them. |
Feligast
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1344
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Posted - 2013.05.01 04:18:00 -
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It needs to be able to fit blasters.
Blaster Worms are the best. |
Grunnax Aurelius
luna Oscura Clandestina Armada The Nightingales of Hades
55
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Posted - 2013.05.01 04:30:00 -
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Ok so we have identified the following: - Needs a bigger Drone Bay but not bigger Bandwidth - Needs to have its Gallente Ship bonus replaced with Drone Damage and Hitpoints bonus - Needs more Shields by either increasing base Shield Hitpoints or giving it another Mid Slot with PG and CPU to accommodate the new slot - Needs a higher base PG and CPU - Possibly change is Role bonus to a 25% Rate of Fire or Damage bonus to Rockets and Light Missiles
Worm: Role Bonus: 25% Damage bonus to Rockets and Light Missiles (removed 50% bonus to Rocket and Light Missile velocity)
Caldari Frigate Skill Bonus: 5% shield resistance per level Gallente Cruiser Skill Bonus: 10% bonus to drone hitpoints and damage per skill level
Slot layout: 3H, 4M, 3L; 0 turrets , 2 launchers Fittings: 45 PWG(+10), 175(+15) CPU Defense (shields / armor / hull) : 1000(+203) / 550(-32) / 550(-73) Capacitor (amount / recharge rate / recharge per second) : 350GJ / 230s(-4.38) / 1.52(+0.03) Mobility (max velocity / agility / mass / align time): 287msec / x3.49 / 981,000kg / 4.46s Drones (bandwidth / bay): 25MBit / 75m3(+50) Targeting (max targeting range / Scan Resolution / Max Locked targets): 30km / 650mm / 5 Sensor strength: 15 Gravimetric Signature radius: 40m
I think this would do the trick to bring it into the Spotlight! Two Teir Carriers-áhttps://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=207604&find=unread |
Feligast
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1344
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Posted - 2013.05.01 04:34:00 -
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AND BLASTERS!!!
(on serious note.. you meant Gallente Bonus, c/d?) |
Grunnax Aurelius
luna Oscura Clandestina Armada The Nightingales of Hades
55
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Posted - 2013.05.01 04:37:00 -
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Feligast wrote:It needs to be able to fit blasters.
Blaster Worms are the best.
Umm... No!!! Guristas are Missiles and Drones Two Teir Carriers-áhttps://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=207604&find=unread |
Freya Kaundur
Paradigm Shift.
2
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Posted - 2013.05.01 04:39:00 -
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i think the problem with the worm is that you drank it.........
its a tequila reference |
Grunnax Aurelius
luna Oscura Clandestina Armada The Nightingales of Hades
55
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Posted - 2013.05.01 04:53:00 -
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Freya Kaundur wrote:i think the problem with the worm is that you drank it.........
its a tequila reference
LoL dw i know the reference Two Teir Carriers-áhttps://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=207604&find=unread |
Shepard Wong Ogeko
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
458
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Posted - 2013.05.01 05:19:00 -
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I think the biggest problem with the Worm is that people fall for actually for trying to fit a split weapons system.
Either forget the drones, maybe just toss in some ecm or logi drones for some utility, and go with launchers and ballistic controls.
Or, do what I do, forget the high slots and pack in tank and tackle and a drone damage amp. You can pack on a T2 MSE and damage control, and with enough 5 skills you can get over 8000 ehp out of it and run cap stable with mwd, scram and web.
I do think they need to drop the drone bay bonus and just give it a fixed bay, 75m3 tops and 25Mb bandwidth. Being able to do a flight of medium drones would be awesome to the point of being too awesome, especially now that there are drone damage mods. Then either give it the drone damage bonus of the other Guristas/Gallente ships, or go with the flavor on the ship and give it some sort of e-war bonus. Maybe a range bonus to tackle, to not step on the toes of the velocity bonus of the Daredevil. |
Grunnax Aurelius
luna Oscura Clandestina Armada The Nightingales of Hades
55
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Posted - 2013.05.01 08:21:00 -
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http://i1307.photobucket.com/albums/s594/grunnax/WormRe-Work_zpsbbae687f.png
Here is the Stats if you changed it. Two Teir Carriers-áhttps://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=207604&find=unread |
Hakan MacTrew
Caledonian Light Industries Sick N' Twisted
485
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Posted - 2013.05.01 09:33:00 -
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The problem you have here is your trying to compare a frigate to a cruiser and a battleship. You should be comparing it to other frigates. (Maybe destroyers at a push.)
The ishkur and the merlin are the realistic combination in this circumstance. The worm recieves the 5%, (soon to be 4%,) shield resist bonus from the merlin, as well as its slot layout. It also recieves the 25mb bandwidth of the ishkur, (the same as the tristan,) and it recieves the +5m3 drone bay that the ishkur does.
The OP would give the Worm the same sort drone capacity as a curse/pilgrim. I see no logical reason to give a pirate frigate the same level of drone potential as a T2 cruiser. NO frigate recieves a damage bonus to it's drones. This is because of how easy it is to rip another frigate apart with drones.
I like my Worm. It was the first pirate frigate I ever bought. It used to make a damn good exploration frigate, before I got into a hawk.
If you really feel that the worm needs 'fixing', then iI suggest you re-evalute your reaons why you feel it's broken. Is it the hull thats the problem, or is it another reason? (Drones are screwed, especially now with the AI changes. That is probably a much bigger problem.) MODULAR DRONES
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Gypsio III
Questionable Ethics. Ministry of Inappropriate Footwork
694
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Posted - 2013.05.01 10:02:00 -
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Hakan MacTrew wrote:This is because of how easy it is to rip another frigate apart with drones.
I like my Worm. It was the first pirate frigate I ever bought. It used to make a damn good exploration frigate, before I got into a hawk.
If you really feel that the worm needs 'fixing', then iI suggest you re-evalute your reaons why you feel it's broken. Is it the hull thats the problem, or is it another reason? (Drones are screwed, especially now with the AI changes. That is probably a much bigger problem.)
It's easier for frigates to rip drones apart. As things stand, the Dramiel has 60% of the Worm's drone DPS, which is really a bit silly. It certainly needs a drone damage/HP bonus. More CPU too. I'd also toy with a third launcher slot, or changing the missile velocity bonus to a damage/ROF one.
As for Guristas in general, well, they have a problem similar to that of Sansha - they have no "special ability", while the other pirate factions have unique abilities - neuts, webs, mobility - but Guristas and Sansha are just generic gank 'n' tank ships. I really don't know what a Guristas special theme would be though. Bonused ECM Bursts? |
Vaju Enki
Secular Wisdom
595
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Posted - 2013.05.01 10:20:00 -
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The worm needs some balance, and fast. |
Grunnax Aurelius
luna Oscura Clandestina Armada The Nightingales of Hades
56
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Posted - 2013.05.01 10:29:00 -
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Hakan MacTrew wrote:The problem you have here is your trying to compare a frigate to a cruiser and a battleship. You should be comparing it to other frigates. (Maybe destroyers at a push.)
The ishkur and the merlin are the realistic combination in this circumstance. The worm recieves the 5%, (soon to be 4%,) shield resist bonus from the merlin, as well as its slot layout. It also recieves the 25mb bandwidth of the ishkur, (the same as the tristan,) and it recieves the +5m3 drone bay that the ishkur does.
The OP would give the Worm the same sort drone capacity as a curse/pilgrim. I see no logical reason to give a pirate frigate the same level of drone potential as a T2 cruiser. NO frigate recieves a damage bonus to it's drones. This is because of how easy it is to rip another frigate apart with drones.
I like my Worm. It was the first pirate frigate I ever bought. It used to make a damn good exploration frigate, before I got into a hawk.
If you really feel that the worm needs 'fixing', then iI suggest you re-evalute your reaons why you feel it's broken. Is it the hull thats the problem, or is it another reason? (Drones are screwed, especially now with the AI changes. That is probably a much bigger problem.)
The Worm was designed as a PvP Ship not to be used in Carebear applications like you do, for a PvP Ship its Tank, its DPS and fitting capability is **** for its cost. Two Teir Carriers-áhttps://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=207604&find=unread |
To mare
Advanced Technology
184
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Posted - 2013.05.01 10:38:00 -
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Grunnax Aurelius wrote:i just think a bit more fitting capability and the 125m3 / 50Mbit will bring it into its worth. Being able to take on some cruisers and most frigates.
EDIT: If I were to buy a Worm now this is probably how I would fit it with its current layout. -High- x2 Rocket Launcher II x1 free slot -Medium- x1 1MN Afterburner II x1 Faint Epsilon Warp Scrambler I x1 Adaptive Invulnerablity Field II x1 Medium Shield Extender II -Low- x1 Damage Control II x1 Drone Damage Amplifier II x1 Nanofiber internal Structure II -Drones- x5 Hobgoblin II x5 Warrior II -Implants- x1 Genolution Core Augmentation CA-1 x1 Genolution Core Augmentation CA-2 x1 Inherent Implants 'Squire' Engineering EG-603 -12.9K EHP, 56.1% Stable, 1063m/sec, 45DPS Rockets (Rage) / 122 DPS Drones (Hobs)-
Now if you gave it the fitting capability and drone changes I suggested you would be able to do the following. -High- x2 Rocket Launcher II x1 Small Unsable Power Fluctuator I -Medium- x1 1MN Afterburner II x1 Faint Epsilon Warp Scrambler I x1 Adaptive Invulnerablity Field II x1 Medium Shield Extender II -Low- x1 Damage Control II x1 Drone Damage Amplifier II x1 Nanofiber internal Structure II -Drones- x5 Hobgoblin II x5 Warrior II x5 Hornet EC-300 x5 Hammerhead II -Implants- x1 Genolution Core Augmentation CA-1 x1 Genolution Core Augmentation CA-2 x1 Inherent Implants 'Squire' Engineering EG-603 -12.9K EHP, 1m22s Cap, 1063m/sec, 45DPS Rockets (Rage) / 183 DPS Drones (Hobs), 292.5 DPS (Hammer) -
I think this is fair enough for a 50mil Frigate hull, mind you this change the price of it would increase a bit i think. But i think the ships drone damage bonus should only affect lights as you can see the dps on Hammerheads is a bit extreme with the bonus.
340 dps on a frig with almost no range problem would be ******* OP, a daredevil do 350dps before overload at 2km range and with no tank except for a damage control.
25mb with a 50% bonus to dmg and hp would be plenty of a boost to make the thing useable. |
Vaju Enki
Secular Wisdom
595
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Posted - 2013.05.01 10:44:00 -
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The Worm should at least recive some CPU and PG, some damage bonus on rocket/missile, and some drone HP bonus (it could then even lose some dronebay to balance, like 7/7 light drones in the dronebay). |
Grunnax Aurelius
luna Oscura Clandestina Armada The Nightingales of Hades
56
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Posted - 2013.05.01 10:45:00 -
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To mare wrote:Grunnax Aurelius wrote:i just think a bit more fitting capability and the 125m3 / 50Mbit will bring it into its worth. Being able to take on some cruisers and most frigates.
EDIT: If I were to buy a Worm now this is probably how I would fit it with its current layout. -High- x2 Rocket Launcher II x1 free slot -Medium- x1 1MN Afterburner II x1 Faint Epsilon Warp Scrambler I x1 Adaptive Invulnerablity Field II x1 Medium Shield Extender II -Low- x1 Damage Control II x1 Drone Damage Amplifier II x1 Nanofiber internal Structure II -Drones- x5 Hobgoblin II x5 Warrior II -Implants- x1 Genolution Core Augmentation CA-1 x1 Genolution Core Augmentation CA-2 x1 Inherent Implants 'Squire' Engineering EG-603 -12.9K EHP, 56.1% Stable, 1063m/sec, 45DPS Rockets (Rage) / 122 DPS Drones (Hobs)-
Now if you gave it the fitting capability and drone changes I suggested you would be able to do the following. -High- x2 Rocket Launcher II x1 Small Unsable Power Fluctuator I -Medium- x1 1MN Afterburner II x1 Faint Epsilon Warp Scrambler I x1 Adaptive Invulnerablity Field II x1 Medium Shield Extender II -Low- x1 Damage Control II x1 Drone Damage Amplifier II x1 Nanofiber internal Structure II -Drones- x5 Hobgoblin II x5 Warrior II x5 Hornet EC-300 x5 Hammerhead II -Implants- x1 Genolution Core Augmentation CA-1 x1 Genolution Core Augmentation CA-2 x1 Inherent Implants 'Squire' Engineering EG-603 -12.9K EHP, 1m22s Cap, 1063m/sec, 45DPS Rockets (Rage) / 183 DPS Drones (Hobs), 292.5 DPS (Hammer) -
I think this is fair enough for a 50mil Frigate hull, mind you this change the price of it would increase a bit i think. But i think the ships drone damage bonus should only affect lights as you can see the dps on Hammerheads is a bit extreme with the bonus. 340 dps on a frig with almost no range problem would be ******* OP, a daredevil do 350dps before overload at 2km range and with no tank except for a damage control. 25mb with a 50% bonus to dmg and hp would be plenty of a boost to make the thing useable.
Im going to tell you like i told the other guy before, go back and read it properly.
"i think the ships drone damage bonus should only affect lights as you can see the dps on Hammerheads is a bit extreme with the bonus."
Unbonused Hammerheads would be 195DPS, Bonused would be 292.5 DPS. So therefore when fighting a cruiser you will still have slightly more dps with mediums than lights. Two Teir Carriers-áhttps://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=207604&find=unread |
To mare
Advanced Technology
184
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Posted - 2013.05.01 10:57:00 -
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Grunnax Aurelius wrote:To mare wrote:Grunnax Aurelius wrote:i just think a bit more fitting capability and the 125m3 / 50Mbit will bring it into its worth. Being able to take on some cruisers and most frigates.
EDIT: If I were to buy a Worm now this is probably how I would fit it with its current layout. -High- x2 Rocket Launcher II x1 free slot -Medium- x1 1MN Afterburner II x1 Faint Epsilon Warp Scrambler I x1 Adaptive Invulnerablity Field II x1 Medium Shield Extender II -Low- x1 Damage Control II x1 Drone Damage Amplifier II x1 Nanofiber internal Structure II -Drones- x5 Hobgoblin II x5 Warrior II -Implants- x1 Genolution Core Augmentation CA-1 x1 Genolution Core Augmentation CA-2 x1 Inherent Implants 'Squire' Engineering EG-603 -12.9K EHP, 56.1% Stable, 1063m/sec, 45DPS Rockets (Rage) / 122 DPS Drones (Hobs)-
Now if you gave it the fitting capability and drone changes I suggested you would be able to do the following. -High- x2 Rocket Launcher II x1 Small Unsable Power Fluctuator I -Medium- x1 1MN Afterburner II x1 Faint Epsilon Warp Scrambler I x1 Adaptive Invulnerablity Field II x1 Medium Shield Extender II -Low- x1 Damage Control II x1 Drone Damage Amplifier II x1 Nanofiber internal Structure II -Drones- x5 Hobgoblin II x5 Warrior II x5 Hornet EC-300 x5 Hammerhead II -Implants- x1 Genolution Core Augmentation CA-1 x1 Genolution Core Augmentation CA-2 x1 Inherent Implants 'Squire' Engineering EG-603 -12.9K EHP, 1m22s Cap, 1063m/sec, 45DPS Rockets (Rage) / 183 DPS Drones (Hobs), 292.5 DPS (Hammer) -
I think this is fair enough for a 50mil Frigate hull, mind you this change the price of it would increase a bit i think. But i think the ships drone damage bonus should only affect lights as you can see the dps on Hammerheads is a bit extreme with the bonus. 340 dps on a frig with almost no range problem would be ******* OP, a daredevil do 350dps before overload at 2km range and with no tank except for a damage control. 25mb with a 50% bonus to dmg and hp would be plenty of a boost to make the thing useable. Im going to tell you like i told the other guy before, go back and read it properly. Unbonused Hammerheads would be 195DPS, Bonused would be 292.5 DPS. "i think the ships drone damage bonus should only affect lights as you can see the dps on Hammerheads is a bit extreme with the bonus." So therefore when fighting a cruiser you will still have slightly more dps with mediums than lights. you are just overcomplicating the thing, if thats your purpose give it 30mb with a 50% bonus on frigs you should use 5 lights anyway for tracking and on cruisers you can use a mix of drones for pretty much the same result
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Karig'Ano Keikira
State War Academy Caldari State
30
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Posted - 2013.05.01 11:10:00 -
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keep in mind no frigate gets drone damage bonus and no frigate is capable of fielding full flight or mediums (no destroyer either); giving it 50 bandwidth would most certainly be OP, perhaps 30 as upper limit. I agree however that it could really use something special - missile range bonus for guristas ships is kinda pathetic, perhaps something in line of +5% drone damage per level (as unique bonus that makes it different from other drone frigs); even 4% would be interesting Drone bandwidth bonus also makes no sense as all other guristas ships automatically have max drone space for that ship class, so drone damage and resistances would streamline it bonuses wise with rest of guristas ships. And yes, it need bit more cpu; gila can use it too |
Jonas Sukarala
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
128
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Posted - 2013.05.01 12:01:00 -
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they should replace its missile velocity and dronebay bonus with proper drone bonuses - drone tracking/velocity -drone HP/damage -25/100mb drones All pirate frigs should have an extra slot and more EHP/speed/lower sig radius/lower mass as the bar has been raised by T1 frigs also price on these are too high really should be cheaper than bc's. 'Tech3 ships need to be put down, like a rabid dog drooling everywhere in the house, they are out of line' CCP Ytterbium Nerf missile range into place..... where is the TD missile change?-á ,...projectiles should use capacitor. |
Rroff
Questionable Ethics. Ministry of Inappropriate Footwork
249
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Posted - 2013.05.01 14:09:00 -
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Gypsio III wrote:It's easier for frigates to rip drones apart. As things stand, the Dramiel has 60% of the Worm's drone DPS, which is really a bit silly. It certainly needs a drone damage/HP bonus. More CPU too. I'd also toy with a third launcher slot, or changing the missile velocity bonus to a damage/ROF one. As for Guristas in general, well, they have a problem similar to that of Sansha - they have no "special ability", while the other pirate factions have unique abilities - neuts, webs, mobility - but Guristas and Sansha are just generic gank 'n' tank ships. I really don't know what a Guristas special theme would be though. Bonused ECM Bursts?
Guristas special ability if you can call it that is the missile velocity bonus.
Grunnax's fitting changes especially bumping up the CPU/PG and Shield HP are needed to (a) make it properly useful (B) bring it inline with the other guristas ships.
Unfortunatly to properly bring it inline requires an additional highslot (but not an extra launcher slot) which then takes it out of the 10 slot pattern the other pirate frigs has and doesn't address the fact that as a ship it needs the extra launcher slot more than it does the 2nd utility high. Also probably due to being partly gal the other guristas ships have almost as much structure HP as they do shield HP - its a fixed ratio so increasing shield HP would need a likewise increase in structure HP. |
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