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EvilweaselSA
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2013.05.01 18:58:00 -
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I would like to reiterate something I said before: I approve of ice compression being difficult and time-consuming as it increases the ability of nullsec entities to actually tax it. Making it easy to simply compress and jump out ice makes it far less likely that ice will be refined in nullsec stations with a tax, weakening the ability of nullsec entities to fund themselves through taxing local economic activity (instead of things like moons). |
EvilweaselSA
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2013.05.01 19:00:00 -
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Also some info on the composition of the null/low ice fields would be handy so we can analyze the changes with those numbers, instead of just the highsec numbers, would be handy. |
EvilweaselSA
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2013.05.01 19:11:00 -
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Makari Aeron wrote:My worry is that folks who have racial towers in null that do not line up with the area's racial isotope will incur a cost astronomically higher.
I disagree, and here's why. Shipping has a fixed m3 cost. For our purposes, we'll use 300m3 (this is what our local shipping service charges for shipments to and from our space to jita now that they've raised their prices to match anticipated fuel costs, so not only does it cover fuel it covers time, effort, and profit). If you're doing it yourself it costs a lot less.
Fuel is .15m3. That means that shipping adds 45 isk to the cost of the fuel to bring it from jita. Even if we assume that isotope was shipped from nullsec to jita, that's an extra 90 isk per isotope. That will matter somewhat (if you're throwing up a ratting tower you'll use the local ice) but is not at all "astronomically higher". |
EvilweaselSA
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2013.05.01 21:56:00 -
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It's nowhere near 50%, and it's the low/null version of the highsec ore
it's about 1/6th better |
EvilweaselSA
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2013.05.02 15:17:00 -
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Jita Bloodtear wrote:
I'm feel compelled to put a stop to the incorrect values being thrown around in here. In the months prior to fanfest Dark Glitter was earning 36mil/hr and the 10% racial ices earned 12.2mil/hr. That placed Dark Glitter at 3x better than the 10% racial ice. At current unstable market prices the speculators have generously pushed isotopes up from the 350 range to an astounding 760 range. A 20% reduction in highsec ice will not warrant a long-term 220% increase in isotope prices.
This is wrong, and here's why. What matters for these things is the marginal cost: how much that last bit of ice costs to meet the last bit of demand. It does not matter that most ice must be supplied from highsec: what matters is that ice must be high enough to encourage nullsec and lowsec to mine that remaining 20%. That, or prices must skyrocket high enough that usage drops by 20%. That's also a pretty high range.
We should see the highsec ice belts rapidly picked clean by people making nullsec mining profits in highsec (balanced, of course, by that they can't do it consistently). In nullsec, the price of ice will rise until the overall mining of the ice belts is worth doing compared to other mining activities, and generates enough to fulfill 20% of the game's ice mining needs (or, slightly over tripling the ice mining currently going on).
You have to look at that end marginal cost, not the 80% cheap supply. |
EvilweaselSA
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2013.05.02 15:18:00 -
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Iosue wrote:however, the mechanism for obtaining this valuable resource will be one of the most dull and unfun activities in game: waiting on timers.
they're miners
they clearly like dull and unfun activities |
EvilweaselSA
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2013.05.02 15:44:00 -
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Xavier Thorm wrote:"Wormhole systems" are just normal solar systems which we only connect to via wormholes, and the idea of a solar system without any moons seems very strange to me. If this was going to be done, I'd want some kind of artificial explanation of why there are no moons, or at least why we can't use them.
that there are no planets
boom, explained |
EvilweaselSA
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2013.05.02 20:29:00 -
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Klingon Admiral wrote:
Well, true, but if there will really be an import of LO from 0.0 depends on a few factors.
the overwhelming majority of LO right now comes from low/null, and I do mean overwhelming majority |
EvilweaselSA
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2013.05.09 13:20:00 -
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Danni stark wrote:Petya Gladiator wrote:Odyssey is on sisi now, i just checked the ice anomaly in null, and it looks same amount as in high. 4 hour respawns, then cloacky campers, who will mine ice in null. http://i.imgur.com/22G88Ao.jpg who will mine ice in null? any one with half a brain.
well, anyone with half a brain who doesn't live in a region blackops is hotdropping anything that moves in |
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