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The Wizz117	Posted - 2005.10.01 12:34:00 - [1] i was doing this lvl3 mission int my raven, normaly my range is 64 KM exactly now, i can not even hit a target 50 km away from me. could sombody run a few tests on them? does any one know if they got nerfed? it would not be the 1e time they stealth-nerfe the missiels ( they changed the raven ship bonus by only applying it on cruise and torp witout putting it in any patch note)
Kaeten	Posted - 2005.10.01 12:35:00 - [2] ehh 50km? I wish my railgun would hit that far with lead
The Wizz117	Posted - 2005.10.01 12:36:00 - [3] Edited by: The Wizz117 on 01/10/2005 12:37:06 Originally by: Kaeten ehh 50km? I wish my railgun would hit that far with lead i wish my missiles would deal more than 50 damage and fire 4x faster ( firing @ 50km is long flight time also)
Shadowsword	Posted - 2005.10.01 12:58:00 - [4] It would help us readers to understand what you're talking about if you say which missiles you're using exactly. And before screaming stealth nerf, maybe you should make sure it's not simply a bug.
The Wizz117	Posted - 2005.10.01 13:11:00 - [5] Originally by: Shadowsword It would help us readers to understand what you're talking about if you say which missiles you're using exactly. And before screaming stealth nerf, maybe you should make sure it's not simply a bug. widow, the red ones
HippoKing	Posted - 2005.10.01 13:14:00 - [6] oh ffs stfu really, i am flying missions in raven atm as well. my missiles seem to work maybe you got a bad batch - try some other ones they obviosuly made you hit 25km as vengeance for forum spamming do you REALLY think that missiles have been put down to 25km? heavies have a 37.5km base range do you know how far the base range on cruises is? its a LONG way if your missiles raelly aren't hitting, then it will be defenders, not range. if u really hate your raven so much, donate it to me, and train another race. or u could just quit. yup, that might be the best choice, as CCP are running a witch hunt against you. please, start acting like you are more than 10years old -- This Zig. For great justice!
HippoKing	Posted - 2005.10.01 13:15:00 - [7] Originally by: The Wizz117 Originally by: Shadowsword It would help us readers to understand what you're talking about if you say which missiles you're using exactly. And before screaming stealth nerf, maybe you should make sure it's not simply a bug. widow, the red ones color doesn't affect range its the type that matters those are heavies. the ones with the 37.5km base range -- This Zig. For great justice!
HippoKing	Posted - 2005.10.01 13:18:00 - [8] Originally by: The Wizz117 NOTE: this is on a raven with 40% ship bonus to flight time duration that bonus just doesn't exist its velocity. for torps and cruises. that means it DOESN'T affect heavies. like the ones you appear to spit out of your arse -- This Zig. For great justice!
The Wizz117	Posted - 2005.10.01 13:24:00 - [9] Originally by: HippoKing Originally by: The Wizz117 NOTE: this is on a raven with 40% ship bonus to flight time duration that bonus just doesn't exist its velocity. for torps and cruises. that means it DOESN'T affect heavies. like the ones you appear to spit out of your arse you are correct, i self destructed my raven and i feel much better now . im training amarr frigate lvl1
HippoKing	Posted - 2005.10.01 13:27:00 - [10] well, you coulda given it to me tho it seems yours is broken, so maybe u should destroy it -- This Zig. For great justice!
ParMizaN	Posted - 2005.10.01 13:31:00 - [11] The bonus on the raven used to affect all missiles. To bring it in line with the rest of the BS (which only have bonsues to LARGE guns) the bonus was switched to cruise missiles and torpedos. Use those instead, and you will ave a really long range. For smaller stuff, fit small guns or use drones. Killing the rich and giving to me
HippoKing	Posted - 2005.10.01 13:54:00 - [12] and btw, how long till you can fly an apoc? if u start training now, it would be under a week, and another week for large guns only 2weeks till i dnt have to put up with the raven sux threads, and someone else will have to point out why your "OMFG THE APOC HAS BEEN NERFED IN THE LAST TWO WEEKS! IT WAS UBER TILL I COULD FLY IT! CCP HATE ME!" threads i'm sure will come. i think meridius will oblige there... -- This Zig. For great justice!
The Wizz117	Posted - 2005.10.01 14:20:00 - [13] Originally by: HippoKing and btw, how long till you can fly an apoc? if u start training now, it would be under a week, and another week for large guns only 2weeks till i dnt have to put up with the raven sux threads, and someone else will have to point out why your "OMFG THE APOC HAS BEEN NERFED IN THE LAST TWO WEEKS! IT WAS UBER TILL I COULD FLY IT! CCP HATE ME!" threads i'm sure will come. i think meridius will oblige there... if they nerf it again i open a wormhaloe and ******* gank ccp HQ and burn em al a slowly death
HippoKing	Posted - 2005.10.01 14:30:00 - [14] i was not saying they would nerf it. i am just saying that i expect you will whine when you realise it is no better than the raven, and complain that it should be as uber as the megathron which tanks, ganks and does interior design better than both the raven and the apoc -- This Zig. For great justice!
Hoshi	Posted - 2005.10.01 14:33:00 - [15] Originally by: HippoKing Originally by: The Wizz117 widow, the red ones color doesn't affect range Everyone knows that red things go faster, it's a proven fact
HippoKing	Posted - 2005.10.01 14:35:00 - [16] Originally by: Hoshi Originally by: HippoKing Originally by: The Wizz117 widow, the red ones color doesn't affect range Everyone knows that red things go faster, it's a proven fact i stand corrected -- This Zig. For great justice!
Joerd Toastius	Posted - 2005.10.01 14:45:00 - [17] It's true. Red wunz go fasta.
xOm3gAx	Posted - 2005.10.01 17:04:00 - [18] its a once in a blue moon 'bug' (not really a bug) i know what he's talkin about and it was around pre-patch as well though much more rare now. Example: My skills pre-cold war would allow my heavies to hit ~60km away but naturally only hit at ~50km which at the time had to do with the curve of the missile so actual distance traveled was ~60km. With the way missiles work now you have to remember that the missiles have to speed up so doing the normal math you might have a ~60km range but in reality the missile takes 1-2km to speed up there by shortening your range to ~55km and then still depending on if the target is moving and how far the missile actual travels. ----------------- Decloaks and starts blasting your sig Applesauce Biotch Ok who nerf batted my sig >again<? ^^Bows^^ ^^ALL HAIL THE UBERNESS OF Thee^^ Succumb to your nightmares Darkness
Kaeten	Posted - 2005.10.01 17:06:00 - [19] Originally by: The Wizz117 Edited by: The Wizz117 on 01/10/2005 12:46:20 Edited by: The Wizz117 on 01/10/2005 12:37:06 Originally by: Kaeten ehh 50km? I wish my railgun would hit that far with lead i wish my missiles would deal more than 50 damage and fire 4x faster NOTE: this is on a raven with 40% ship bonus to flight time duration. ( firing @ 50km is long flight time also) dude what is damage when you can't hit? Man...
HawkeyeOne	Posted - 2005.10.10 09:04:00 - [20] Edited by: HawkeyeOne on 10/10/2005 09:11:12 Edited by: HawkeyeOne on 10/10/2005 09:08:56 Yes, they changed all of the missile requirements. Damage, range, etc. You will need to purchase more skill books to get better. But it does not appear that they will ever be as good as the once were. This is not for the bad. It used to be that if you had a Raven, and had basic missile skills, you were bad, as in hard to beat. While anyone using other weapons had to train and train to get the kinds of ranges and damage that Missiles, Torps, and Cruise missiles could do. I fly a Raven, and I know that it took me nearly two weeks to get decent again and longer to be better then decent. I know, too, that in a recent patch they changed laser crystals so that they wear out. That seems only fair too, as you never needed to worry about ammo before, if you used lasers. You just needed to carry different ones for various ranges vs. damage etc. So get your skills books and train, or move on to another weapon system, but I think that you will find that each has it's good points, and it's bad points. If you want to be good, you have to train. And not everything depends on weapons anyway. I am just happy to see CCP is trying to even out the training as it pertains to weapons. Now if they can just get the patches fully tested BEFORE they launch them. If you want to talk about something that needs looked at, I would like to see the probes work better. I have read alot of the posts, and the biggest thing I see is the if this is a 3D universe then the probes should work in 3D, i.e. a sphere not a 1 au think circle. They should be omni directional. I have other thoughts on probes, but that is for another post. --------------------- -------- Like "She" said, "It's not your size, it's how you use it." I only "look" innocent.
HawkeyeOne	Posted - 2005.10.10 09:17:00 - [21] Edited by: HawkeyeOne on 10/10/2005 09:19:13 -------- Like "She" said, "It's not your size, it's how you use it." I only "look" innocent.
Kuolematon	Posted - 2005.10.10 09:17:00 - [22] Originally by: Hoshi Everyone knows that red things go faster, it's a proven fact runs off to find something to clean monitor with Reading THAT post while drinking wasn't very nice combo ________________________________________________________ Freedom is illusion created by weird voices in my head
Doc Punkiller	Posted - 2005.10.10 09:32:00 - [23] I'm not sure of that, but it happened 2 or 3 times this weekend: sometimes, a volley of cruise missile just disapear just before it was ready to expode in front of the target. Maybe it's lag/packet lost related or a server bug; i dont know... The target did not took any damages so i guessed that the missile batch has been lost. it's not defenders i'm sure of that. Nothing in the logs either, but i know that a lot of time the logs did not get all the data... Maybe your missiles just stop to exist at some point... I'll look further and try to reproduce the problem.
Moghydin	Posted - 2005.10.10 09:52:00 - [24] Originally by: The Wizz117 i was doing this lvl3 mission int my raven, normaly my range is 64 KM exactly now, i can not even hit a target 50 km away from me. could sombody run a few tests on them? does any one know how much got nerfed? it would not be the 1e time they stealth-nerfe the missiels ( they changed the raven ship bonus by only applying it on cruise and torp witout putting it in any patch note) edit: after running a few more test i noticed could not even hit it @ 40 km ... without noticing they just changed my range 25 KM ... THNX CCP KEEP ON ***** UP CALDARI .. im realy gedding **ed of all this. I think it can be a bug. Once I was NPCing in a belt and 3 cruisers were sitting at 5km distance from me, but I couldn't hit them with my anti-frig laser at all, I tried to use large lasers and they were hitting ok. The most strange thing was when I launched torps - they dissapeared when got near the cruiser and I saw the damage message some 10-15 seconds later. Wired
Nanus Parkite	Posted - 2005.10.10 10:22:00 - [25] I'm still having trouble with the idea that someone is complaining about doing lvl 3 missions in a BS.
Rex Martell	Posted - 2005.10.10 10:32:00 - [26] There are a couple of points I feel need to be made. 1. What are you doing using Heavy Missiles on a Raven. SERIOUSLY WHAT? That is like fitting medium Hybrids on a Megathron its just WRONG. 2. Use a Caracal if you want to snipe with Heavy missiels. Use Cruise missiles if you want to snipe with Raven. 3. WTF am I wasting my time reading this for. [Wants time refund] "The object of war is not to die for your corp, but to make the other b@##@#d die for his"
Grimwalius d'Antan	Posted - 2005.10.10 10:36:00 - [27] Originally by: Rex Martell 1. What are you doing using Heavy Missiles on a Raven. SERIOUSLY WHAT? That is like fitting medium Hybrids on a Megathron its just WRONG. Better tank = better NPCing
Yarek Balear	Posted - 2005.10.10 11:18:00 - [28] Originally by: Grimwalius d'Antan Originally by: Rex Martell 1. What are you doing using Heavy Missiles on a Raven. SERIOUSLY WHAT? That is like fitting medium Hybrids on a Megathron its just WRONG. Better tank = better NPCing I think it's more a case of Crap skills = inability to use cruise missiles.... Tanking a raven isn't a problem with Cruise as they're easier to fit than Torps...
Drummore	Posted - 2005.10.10 11:22:00 - [29] Originally by: The Wizz117 -the 30K rats are indistructable by ravens and they webifie me. - my missile range just got ****** so i can not hit the structure. i selfdistructed my raven and training amar frigate lvl1 The Raven as a small but very usefull dronebay, use it. and before some wiseguy comes screaming they dont do any damage, i dont waste missiles on cruisers and frigs when im belt hunting.
franny	Posted - 2005.10.10 12:08:00 - [30] Originally by: Yarek Balear I think it's more a case of Crap skills = inability to use cruise missiles.... Tanking a raven isn't a problem with Cruise as they're easier to fit than Torps... I think this man hit the whole issue with The Wizz's Raven and it's not that the raven sucks

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