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Tchulen
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Posted - 2013.05.03 10:14:00 -
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Vaju Enki wrote:This type of people that you are talking about are the EvE Online sandbox players, the heart of the game, the emergent gameplay drivers. Every day people like us create game content, we create historys to be told, awesome player interaction and great drama. The butterfly effect unfolds and because of people like us, the universe is alive, EvE is Real.
Now unlike your type of people, we will still be play this amazing game 10 years from now, will you and your type will be killing NPC's in the next kindergarten themepark game.
You do realise that without all those people killing npcs the economy would spiral out of control right? Without all those rats most people wouldn't be able to make money or would be forced into mining and so most people would stop playing the game. You'll say that no they won't because they play emergent content created by the players for the players, right? Wrong. That's actually a minority of players.
For you to enjoy your emergent gameplay you need a large number of people feeding the economy through ratting and other pve content and a large number of people mining the minerals to make the ships and modules you love to destroy. Not to mention all that officer and deadspace loot which would dry up if you removed pve from the game.
I hear a lot of rhetoric from people like you who claim that EvE is just a pvp sandbox but you're mistaken. It's a sandbox. People can chose whether to pvp or pve. The fact that sometimes they blend at the edges is merely a function of the emergent systems. Claiming that EvE shouldn't have npcs shows a lack of understanding of the overall picture.
So before you bash people who pve consider what your game would be without them. Nothing.
And before you say "you're just a themeparker so your opinion is invalid" I live in nullsec and almost exclusively pvp when I get chance to play. |
Tchulen
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Posted - 2013.05.03 10:49:00 -
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Schmata Bastanold wrote:Just in case you missed that detail even if you exclusively pve you are doing it against other players so technically you pvp. Every rat you kill is denied to another player, every ISK you make is denied to other player, every rock you mine out is denied to other player. Every sec status gain you get from rat kill is a possible advantage you will have over other player, every market transaction you make is done against other players.
So yeah, Eve is pvp sandbox whether you like it or not.
lol. only because you define it so. The rat you killed in an empty system, which you've supposedly denied someone else although there isn't anyone there to deny, just respawned so when someone else comes into system they kill it. That there is pve, not pvp.
When pve content is undisputed it's not pvp, it's pve. When pve content is disputed it's pve and pvp at the same time. When players fight it's pvp.
It's all in the definition and we can all define it in ways to fit our arguments. |
Tchulen
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Posted - 2013.05.03 11:54:00 -
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Vaju Enki wrote:They only non-PvP activity in EvE Online is the login screen phase, and even then it can be PvP if you have a keylogger infecting your computer.
Reiterating the same thing doesn't really have any more affect than it did the first time. You appear to be a very close minded individual.
I played EvE for 6 months on a purely pve basis. I wasn't contested on any of the PvE content I played. I wasn't contested on any of the loot I sold as I simply sold it to the highest buy order on the market. I didn't interact with anyone. The people with buy/sell orders on the market were pvping, yes, but I wasn't. There wasn't any contention there so no pvp. I was playing PvE in a PvP game, simple as. After about 6 months I got suicide ganked and yes, that can be defined as PvP although at the time I defined it as a mild irritation, replaced the ship and moved on. I'm pretty damn sure there are a lot of people who play in high sec who would agree with that. They play the pve content and find the pvp side a necessary evil.
Whilst I don't do this now it doesn't mean others don't. You claiming that the pve side should be completely removed is just preposterous and the fact you merely came back to reiterate what you've already said rather than positing any arguments as to why I'm wrong and PvE could be removed from the game without massive and irrecoverable reprecussions just shows how little you really understand. You're assertions are false and you simply can't back them up because of it. |
Tchulen
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Posted - 2013.05.03 12:33:00 -
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Vaju Enki wrote:Confirming that making buy/sell orders in EvE Online market is not interacting with anyone and it's not a PvP system.
I like the way you ignore everything you can't argue against. That appears to be everything.
And market trading (yes trading) is a form of pvp when there is player contention. Simply flogging your stuff at the highest current has no contention for the seller and so isn't pvp. |
Tchulen
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Posted - 2013.05.03 13:37:00 -
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Michael Stabb wrote:Apparently someone forgot to tell that to the Sansha and Sleepers.
Indeed. I think some people are a little blinkered and only see things from a rather singular perspective. Without npcs there would be no T3 ships, ignoring all the other implications. |
Tchulen
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Posted - 2013.05.03 14:18:00 -
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Vaju Enki wrote:Tchulen wrote:Vaju Enki wrote:Confirming that making buy/sell orders in EvE Online market is not interacting with anyone and it's not a PvP system. I like the way you ignore everything you can't argue against. That appears to be everything. And market trading (yes trading) is a form of pvp when there is player contention. Simply flogging your stuff at the highest current has no contention for the seller and so isn't pvp. Against facts, there are no arguments. Also, your quote about trading not being a PvP activity is pure comic material, it's going to make a good forum signature.
Awesome. Glad you like it. Care to explain why?
Edit - Are you actually saying that the reason you've not argued against most of what I've said is because it's fact? You appear to be. |
Tchulen
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Posted - 2013.05.07 07:26:00 -
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Vaju Enki wrote:"Did IQs just drop sharply while I was away?!"
Ellen Ripley
Vaju Enki wrote:Are you stupid? What the hell are you talking about? No wonder Test is fail cascading.
You seem to be incapable of formulating a reasonable, rational response to anything anyone has said. You appear to just want to insult and goad people rather than actually enter any sort of discussion. It looks very much like you're nothing more than an unintelligent troll who has nothing to offer.
You should probably stop posting. |
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