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aadom
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Posted - 2005.10.02 01:16:00 -
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I am ready to now take the final steps in getting a HAC. I have narrowed my choice between Amarr and Gallente HACS, and have come to a hard decision. Which do i choose for what i want to do????
The things i would want to use my HaC for;
- Npc in 0.0 (gurista)
- PvP, Causing average damage and having an average tank.
- Skills needed to make a good job at both the above.
I would like to see what both Gallente and Amarr HAC pilots have to say about thier ships, which they favor and why and what you think would be the best for me, Zealot/Sac or Deimos/Ishtar (also which would be the better of the 2)
thanks aadom 
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Idara
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Posted - 2005.10.02 01:37:00 -
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Both have great damage dealers and great tanks. I can fly both races HAC's, but I really would say I prefer for the Ishtar/Deimos combination if you have to choose one. Mostly because I despise Khanid Kingdom ships and I'd of rather gotten a real second Amarrian HAC instead of a missile using Caldari hybrid.
Zealot can do great damage and tank fairly well when not equipped for pure gank, while the Sac can ONLY tank.
Deimos is the best damage dealer you can get, and the Ishtar is a nasty tank that can do 15 Heavy Drones worth of damage.
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sableye
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Posted - 2005.10.02 01:38:00 -
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gallente I fly both amaar and gallente and although I mainly fly deimos both gallente hacs are good, now the zealot I have never actually flown (not enogh isk) but on paper it look ssweet and I think i could use it like my deimos but I do own a sacrilidge and there's a reason they are that cheap because they are crap.
You want to hunt guristas too and gallente hacs have naturally high resists to there damage types are the prefect choice.
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Kyle Caldrel
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Posted - 2005.10.02 01:52:00 -
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For you, Gallante
Demios is a mean blasterboat, and ishtar is godly for small groups.
Zelaot is by far insane dmg output, and sac has a nice tank. But for the npcing bit, take gallante definatly.
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kessah
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Posted - 2005.10.02 03:51:00 -
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Edited by: kessah on 02/10/2005 03:55:31
im a great fan of the sacrilege, and when fitted properly it can be at least the 2nd best hac in the game. It may not be designed to be the way i fit it, but it rocks!
BTW id own your deimos in a sacrliege, DONT ever underestimate them...
Serious dont, my sac is an awesome adversary...
Ive an eve movie in production atm to show how powerful this ship really is - you'll be in for a surprise il tell you that much  Ammar is totally > Gallete  and will always be !!!
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Deja Thoris
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Posted - 2005.10.02 03:55:00 -
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Your npc'ing slant makes the gallente ones better. They have highrer natural resists to guristas.
At the end of the day, both races have great hac's. Go with the one that "feels" right.
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Tristan Hellbringer
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Posted - 2005.10.02 04:10:00 -
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I'd go with gallente. IMO both gallente hacs are awesome, and I see your char is gallente as well. so I presume you've trained mostly gunnery (blasters/rails), drones and not so many energy weapons and missiles. so make use of your skills. btw, I'd suggest to specialize in only one race for start, then after you've mastered it, skip to another. somehow I feel it's the right way to do (for me at least).
as for the ships themselves.. all 4 of the ships you're dwelling on are really great.. I've seen them all in action.. and somehow I like Ishtar the best so far.. it's possibly the best 1v1 hac in the game.. I think it is, and many say so too. Deimos has insane damage output in pvp, and it can tank well to do npc hunts. in your case, guristas do kinetic/thermal damage, so gallente natural resistances are in place :).
have fun :)
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Haggislander
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Posted - 2005.10.02 04:19:00 -
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Deimos is vastly over rated. Guns use too much cap and it's too slow.
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Tristan Hellbringer
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Posted - 2005.10.02 04:21:00 -
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have you ever used a deimos?
deimos is not overrated.. any hac requires good skills. period.
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upsideup
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Posted - 2005.10.02 04:52:00 -
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Edited by: upsideup on 02/10/2005 04:54:01
Deimos is a tad overrated, yeah it can deal a bunch of damage and tank pretty well, but other HACs can do that just as well or almost as well. Problem with the deimos is that you have to get into close range, and to get into close range you need speed, which the deimos doesn't have.
IMO pretty much all the HACs are well balanced and have their specific roles, ishtar would be the best in terms of damage output and tanking ability but the fact that all/most of your dps come from drones makes you very easy to kill with a smart bomb or a tank and small guns. Its possible for a 1600 plate maller to use small guns to pop all the drones and completely neutralize you.
Zealot is fast, does great damage and can tank very well, and can operate from a variety of ranges. This is probably the most flexible hac, can tank or gank and can swap anywhere from 8 to 20 km optimal in seconds.
Deimos does an insane tank/dps combo but can be easily beated with a better web or more speed.
Sacrilege has an unbeleivable tank, and when fitted properly can use nossing and a little damage to kill almost anything.
One thing to consider is that the sacrilege is very underrated and when fitted smartly, can be just as deadly as any other hac for a much lower cost.
No one of these HACs are better then the others, you just have to choose on play style.
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Meridius
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Posted - 2005.10.02 08:42:00 -
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 Originally by: aadom
- Npc in 0.0 (gurista)
- PvP, Causing average damage and having an average tank.
- Skills needed to make a good job at both the above.
For these requirements i would say going Gallente would be the ideal choice. The Ishtar fits and exceeds your pvp requirements and the Deimos is evil when used correctly. Overall you have one great HAC and one good one.
The Zealot is a good HAC with plates but you don't have anywhere near the flexibilty you have with the Ishtar. It's a very predictable ship that can be countered very easily. The Sacrilege sucks, i could go into details but i'm afraid i might become emotional
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Demetrius Carnigie
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Posted - 2005.10.02 09:13:00 -
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IShtar is the NPC win, can tank forever and has more than enough midslots
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aadom
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Posted - 2005.10.02 10:42:00 -
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What skill requirements (Apart from the basic skills to fly them) would i need to use a ishtar and deimos well in both arenas of NPC and PvP???
thanks for the replies so far
aadom
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Darknesss
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Posted - 2005.10.02 11:02:00 -
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Edited by: Darknesss on 02/10/2005 11:05:07
me being a solid gallente only pilot would say gallente hacs, ive never flown ammar but ive fought them, i find the best hacs are gallente, and the ones im least happy to fight are gallente, the Deimos and ishtar both great for NPCing, but for deepsace NPCing the ishtar cannot be beaten, the drones will do enough damage to kill any rat u find (even certain commanders)I use small tech 2 blasters with antimatter and u can carry loads in ur hold, with the deimos medium ammo takes up alot of cargo and it uses it like you wouldnt believe. The small guns will give u alot of spare grid and allows for a very heavy tank which u can leave running indefinitely. The first Hac i tried was a deimos and it was in PvP, i didnt have much luck but have since found a good set up and it is a excellent PvP ship, the set up needs to be correct though otherwise u will have big problems when faced up against certain ships like tempests. (the ishtar makes for a great vampire set up to).
Gallente all the way m8!
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sandamar
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Posted - 2005.10.02 14:04:00 -
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Well amarr and gallente HAC are both great. But for npc i'm sorry to point this out but amarr are awesome because no ammo problem and this is a great plus when npc'ing, even if it has less resistance.
Plus I like zealot style which is like a small armagedon.
And you have to watch what gun skill you have increased. Because if you have no energy turrets skill then go gallente, because tech II weapon is a must on a HAC to my mind.
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Denrace
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Posted - 2005.10.02 15:21:00 -
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Originally by: kessah
Edited by: kessah on 02/10/2005 03:55:31
im a great fan of the sacrilege, and when fitted properly it can be at least the 2nd best hac in the game. It may not be designed to be the way i fit it, but it rocks!
BTW id own your deimos in a sacrliege, DONT ever underestimate them...
Serious dont, my sac is an awesome adversary...
Ive an eve movie in production atm to show how powerful this ship really is - you'll be in for a surprise il tell you that much Ammar is totally > Gallete and will always be !!!
Seconded.
Sacrilege > Everything 
Dont underestimate this deadly hybrid of Amarr/Caldari tech.
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Foomanshoe
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Posted - 2005.10.02 18:09:00 -
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Totally go gallente
Deimos is insane damage and awesome for npc'n both guritas and serpentis. It also kicks ass in pvp.
Ishtar does great damage, great tank, and disables ships well all at the same time, its the best hac against anything smaller then a BS.
If your thinking amarr, Zealot is an awesome ship, and i love it, but it is SOOO easy to tank against, and my arma seems to do the same thing except more damage and more hps. Sac is aweful. Sure, you "can" kill a deimos in one, any ship with a AB and a web can stay outta a deimos's range, however, you do really crappy damage, and the tank isnt all its *****ed up to be. Personally, i think it would need at least another low slot to be a good tank, as it doesnt have the cap you need otherwise. Sacs the bastard khalid hybrid that should never have been made, it tries to be everything and does everything poorly.
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Shayla Sh'inlux
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Posted - 2005.10.02 19:09:00 -
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If you prefer to fight in bigger groups go for Amarr.
Both Gallente hacks are awesome in a limited environment. Deimos is godly at NPC'ing Gurista's and Serpentis and very very good in 1v1 and 2v2 and stuff like that, but is useless in big groups.
Ishtar is undisputed king of 1v1 and can even give most BS a run for their money and rules in small gangs. It it like the Deimos useless in camps and fleets tho.
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Haggislander
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Posted - 2005.10.03 01:30:00 -
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Originally by: Tristan Hellbringer
have you ever used a deimos?
deimos is not overrated.. any hac requires good skills. period.
Umm, yeah I have. It's crap compared to the vagabond because it (deimos) handles like a typhoon. In fact, I've flown battleships that are faster. Not to mention, blasters even with good skills use a lot more cap than they should. Combine that with the fact that anyone with a clue fits a nos and you have a dead deimos. It is a very predictable ship that is vastly over rated.
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Necrologic
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Posted - 2005.10.03 01:47:00 -
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The deimos is like a broadsword. It is not as fast as a lighter weapon (zealot, vagabond) but if wielded with enough experiance and skill and with correctly timed strokes it will destroy almost anything. (crazy metaphores ftw!)
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Necrologic
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Posted - 2005.10.03 01:50:00 -
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Originally by: Haggislander
Originally by: Tristan Hellbringer
have you ever used a deimos?
deimos is not overrated.. any hac requires good skills. period.
Umm, yeah I have. It's crap compared to the vagabond because it (deimos) handles like a typhoon. In fact, I've flown battleships that are faster. Not to mention, blasters even with good skills use a lot more cap than they should. Combine that with the fact that anyone with a clue fits a nos and you have a dead deimos. It is a very predictable ship that is vastly over rated.
I do agree that deimos could use a slight agility boost and blasters are too hard to fit and take too much cap, but it's not quite as bad as you make it out to be. Or maybe it is and i just have good skills 
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aadom
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Posted - 2005.10.04 15:56:00 -
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Anybody know teh nessary skill levels that are needed to fly the gallente hacs btw?>##
aadom
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