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Marlona Sky
D00M.
Northern Coalition.
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Posted - 2013.05.02 16:34:00 -
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As the title says; should aggression carry over past downtime? Pros and cons?
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ErrorRon
The Drunken Empire
Fatal Ascension
48
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Posted - 2013.05.02 17:00:00 -
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Timers should carry through downtime. Not necessarily past it. Depending how long downtime lasts. |
silens vesica
Corsair Cartel
1569
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Posted - 2013.05.02 17:02:00 -
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Meh. Probably. But it's not that big a deal, and only applies in very few instances.
Tell someone you love them today, because life is short. But scream it at them in Esperanto, because life is also terrifying and confusing.
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Mara Rinn
Cosmic Goo Convertor
Cosmic Consortium
3345
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Posted - 2013.05.02 17:08:00 -
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Ideally there would be no downtime.
But yes, timers should keep counting down during downtime, rather than being forgotten. My reasoning being that people who log out for 15 minutes to evade consequences shouldn't be rewarded by committing crimes close to DT (which ideally wouldn't exist).
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Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
3408
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Posted - 2013.05.02 17:29:00 -
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Ok Marlona,
Show us on the ship doll where the dirty scoundrel touched you right before downtime and got away with it.
Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings? |
Andski
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
7736
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Posted - 2013.05.02 17:48:00 -
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did you get your slowcats doomsdayed again
mine quotes from my posts at your peril, badposters
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Eugene Kerner
TunDraGon
Drunk 'n' Disorderly
671
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Posted - 2013.05.02 18:10:00 -
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Marlona Sky wrote:As the title says; should aggression carry over past downtime? Pros and cons?
Yes.
+1
"Also, your boobs  " -á
CCP Eterne, 2012
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Liang Nuren
Heretic Army
Atrocitas
3390
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Posted - 2013.05.02 18:18:00 -
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No, I don't think it's reasonable because it forcibly logs everyone off.
-Liang
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Karsa Egivand
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
129
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Posted - 2013.05.02 18:20:00 -
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No.
WAAAAAY too much effort to code for not enough gain.
I'd rather go for not requiring a downtime every day. CCP should look over their codebase / database backend and figure out whether they can slowly modify it so they only need a downtime every other day, or every week... |
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
2453
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Posted - 2013.05.02 18:26:00 -
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Liang Nuren wrote:No, I don't think it's reasonable because it forcibly logs everyone off.
-Liang
Beat me to it.
But to expand, there is a big difference between intentionally logging off to avoid repercussions/losing connection and CCP saying, "Okay folks, everyone out of the pool!".
To my mind, DT is DT, period. Everything resets. I don't want to go for breakfast and come back to a missing Moros because I misjudged how long the DT that I have no control over, took.
Mr Epeen 
There are 86,400 seconds in a day. You just saved one of them by typing 'u' instead of 'you'.-á Congratulations, dumbass! |
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Akiyo Mayaki
171
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Posted - 2013.05.02 18:31:00 -
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Someone was shot by a titan?
No |
Arronicus
Shadows of Vorlon
The Marmite Collective
608
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Posted - 2013.05.02 19:16:00 -
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No, it shouldn't. Downtime isn't a defined and consistant length, plus there would be tons of complications with coding, involving bugs, people having aggression when they shouldn't have, and vice versa. I really can't think of ANY pros to this. People move valuable stuff right before downtime, so that it's really hard to kill them, as they land. There is far more benefit to people evading pirates right before downtime, than there is to gankers and pirates, acting right before downtime. If you want to penalize the criminals even after the system has forced them to log off, you have to punish those trying to evade them, too, or else you are just shifting the system to favour carebears. |
Col Arran
Generic Incursion Tax Evasion
108
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Posted - 2013.05.02 19:25:00 -
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Arronicus wrote:or else you are just shifting the system to favour carebears.
Hasn't this been what most highseccers have been trying to do? |
Cathleia
Drunken Shipping
Second Sun Rising
5
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Posted - 2013.05.02 19:30:00 -
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Just log on half an hour later and you've avoided the timer so it's pointless really. |
PotatoOverdose
SONS of LEGION
RISE of LEGION
115
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Posted - 2013.05.02 19:52:00 -
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Downtime forces a logoff on all players. Furthermore, downtimes are not always consistent in duration, one downtime might be five minutes, another might be half an hour. So no, I don't think aggression should carry over.
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Inxentas Ultramar
Ultramar Independent Contracting
Home Front Coalition
436
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Posted - 2013.05.02 21:55:00 -
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If it is trivial to implement: yes. All timers should carry over. DT should feel like a small pause, not like a reset. If it's hard to code then no: the amount of effort may not weight against the fringe cases where this would make an impact. It may be more wise in the long run to commit that time to removing DT entirely, although that might be a tad optimistic to expect any time soon. |
Praetor Meles
Blue Republic
RvB - BLUE Republic
61
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Posted - 2013.05.02 23:28:00 -
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Arronicus wrote:carebears.
Posting in stealth nerf hi-sec thread.
[insert random rubbish that irritates you personally] is further evidence that Eve is dying/thriving*
* delete as required to make your point |
James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation
RAZOR Alliance
4848
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Posted - 2013.05.03 00:03:00 -
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Cathleia wrote:Just log on half an hour later and you've avoided the timer so it's pointless really.
I don't think you entirely understand.
Let's say someone has a full PVP timer when downtime happens. Upon downtime the ship will remain in space because it has a PVP timer. If downtime ends 10 minutes later which it sometimes does, then there's a five minute period where you can be scanned down (extremely easy if they knew where you were at downtime) and killed. If you log on half an hour later under these circumstances then chances are you'll find yourself in an alpha clone with an insurance payout. |
Setaceous
Nexus Prima
65
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Posted - 2013.05.03 00:17:00 -
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James Amril-Kesh wrote:Cathleia wrote:Just log on half an hour later and you've avoided the timer so it's pointless really. I don't think you entirely understand. Let's say someone has a full PVP timer when downtime happens. Upon downtime the ship will remain in space because it has a PVP timer. If downtime ends 10 minutes later which it sometimes does, then there's a five minute period where you can be scanned down (extremely easy if they knew where you were at downtime) and killed. If you log on half an hour later under these circumstances then chances are you'll find yourself in an alpha clone with an insurance payout.
So it simply requires people to ensure that they're safely docked before downtime. It's not like they don't have adequate warning that it's coming (unless there's some sort of server fault). Therefore, if they have an aggression timer and they get logged off in space, then it's entirely their own fault. |
Liang Nuren
Heretic Army
Atrocitas
3395
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Posted - 2013.05.03 00:33:00 -
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Setaceous wrote:James Amril-Kesh wrote:Cathleia wrote:Just log on half an hour later and you've avoided the timer so it's pointless really. I don't think you entirely understand. Let's say someone has a full PVP timer when downtime happens. Upon downtime the ship will remain in space because it has a PVP timer. If downtime ends 10 minutes later which it sometimes does, then there's a five minute period where you can be scanned down (extremely easy if they knew where you were at downtime) and killed. If you log on half an hour later under these circumstances then chances are you'll find yourself in an alpha clone with an insurance payout. So it simply requires people to ensure that they're safely docked before downtime. It's not like they don't have adequate warning that it's coming (unless there's some sort of server fault). Therefore, if they have an aggression timer and they get logged off in space, then it's entirely their own fault.
So... what about systems without stations?
-Liang
Normally on 5:00 -> 9-10:00 Eve (Aus TZ?)
Blog: http://liangnuren.wordpress.com
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Setaceous
Nexus Prima
65
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Posted - 2013.05.03 00:39:00 -
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Liang Nuren wrote:Setaceous wrote:James Amril-Kesh wrote:Cathleia wrote:Just log on half an hour later and you've avoided the timer so it's pointless really. I don't think you entirely understand. Let's say someone has a full PVP timer when downtime happens. Upon downtime the ship will remain in space because it has a PVP timer. If downtime ends 10 minutes later which it sometimes does, then there's a five minute period where you can be scanned down (extremely easy if they knew where you were at downtime) and killed. If you log on half an hour later under these circumstances then chances are you'll find yourself in an alpha clone with an insurance payout. So it simply requires people to ensure that they're safely docked before downtime. It's not like they don't have adequate warning that it's coming (unless there's some sort of server fault). Therefore, if they have an aggression timer and they get logged off in space, then it's entirely their own fault. So... what about systems without stations? -Liang
A: Tough luck.
B: Fly to another system.
C: All of the above.
EDIT: where I work (I'm an IT technician BTW) we have a saying that gets passed onto people all the time - Your lack of planning does not constitute an emergency. |
Liang Nuren
Heretic Army
Atrocitas
3395
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Posted - 2013.05.03 00:46:00 -
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Setaceous wrote:
A: Tough luck.
B: Fly to another system.
C: All of the above.
EDIT: where I work (I'm an IT technician BTW) we have a saying that gets passed onto people all the time - Your lack of planning does not constitute an emergency.
It is easily demonstrable that there are many cases where your assertion that everyone should simply dock up is not feasible. Your lack of planning also does not constitute an emergency.
-Liang
Ed: Also, you probably don't want to get into a professional pissing contest with me. 
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Varius Xeral
Galactic Trade Syndicate
804
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Posted - 2013.05.03 00:47:00 -
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Posting in a stealth nerf russians thread. |
Thor Kerrigan
Guardians of Asceticism
591
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Posted - 2013.05.03 00:51:00 -
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I'm pretty sure this becomes a big issue once two things happen:
1. Downtime is reduced to 5 minutes or less.
2. People start abusing this mechanic to begin fights they cannot lose.
What we have now is mostly an occasional #2, which can be quite frustrating just like the old freighter log-offski trick (that got nerfed, I expect nothing less eventually).
"I do want to point out one "abuse" thing I did see however. *snipped*
Please do not post details of possible exploits on the forums. - CCP Eterne"
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Setaceous
Nexus Prima
65
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Posted - 2013.05.03 00:52:00 -
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Liang Nuren wrote:Setaceous wrote:
A: Tough luck.
B: Fly to another system.
C: All of the above.
EDIT: where I work (I'm an IT technician BTW) we have a saying that gets passed onto people all the time - Your lack of planning does not constitute an emergency.
It is easily demonstrable that there are many cases where your assertion that everyone should simply dock up is not feasible. Your lack of planning also does not constitute an emergency. -Liang Ed: Also, you probably don't want to get into a professional pissing contest with me.
To be fair, isn't that part of EvE - all actions have consequences? Good or bad, I enjoy the fact that this game doesn't try and hold your hand and give you a lollipop to let you know everything is fine. If you get a lollipop in this game it's because you blew something up to get it  |
Liang Nuren
Heretic Army
Atrocitas
3395
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Posted - 2013.05.03 00:54:00 -
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Setaceous wrote:To be fair, isn't that part of EvE - all actions have consequences? Good or bad, I enjoy the fact that this game doesn't try and hold your hand and give you a lollipop to let you know everything is fine. If you get a lollipop in this game it's because you blew something up to get it
On the flip side you're demanding a lollipop because you logged in after downtime first. Stop trying to make the game hold your hand.
-Liang
Normally on 5:00 -> 9-10:00 Eve (Aus TZ?)
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Setaceous
Nexus Prima
65
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Posted - 2013.05.03 00:58:00 -
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Liang Nuren wrote:Setaceous wrote:To be fair, isn't that part of EvE - all actions have consequences? Good or bad, I enjoy the fact that this game doesn't try and hold your hand and give you a lollipop to let you know everything is fine. If you get a lollipop in this game it's because you blew something up to get it On the flip side you're demanding a lollipop because you logged in after downtime first. Stop trying to make the game hold your hand. -Liang
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Liang Nuren
Heretic Army
Atrocitas
3395
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Posted - 2013.05.03 01:01:00 -
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Hell of a cop out after pulling an appeal to your IT-authoritah and telling me about actions and consequences and lollipops and tough luck and all that ****...
-Liang
Normally on 5:00 -> 9-10:00 Eve (Aus TZ?)
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James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation
RAZOR Alliance
4848
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Posted - 2013.05.03 01:02:00 -
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It's not that simple though, because on the flipside are people who will take advantage of that to use downtime for their own safety.
Let's say someone has to move a titan from one system to another, but he can't do it because the enemy knows he plans to move and has prepared a fleet to take him out. However, downtime is approaching. The pilot could choose to jump just before downtime so that his enemy doesn't have enough time to take him out, and then after downtime log a scouting character into that system to ensure that the enemy leaves before he logs the titan character in again. |
Setaceous
Nexus Prima
65
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Posted - 2013.05.03 01:06:00 -
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Liang Nuren wrote:Hell of a cop out after pulling an appeal to your IT-authoritah and telling me about actions and consequences and lollipops and tough luck and all that ****...
-Liang
Well lunch is over so I can't dedicate much time to this, another important lesson - never start something that you don't have time to finish. I concede  |
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