CCP can you now separate the Caldari from Amarr and the Gallente from Minmatar??

I find it amusing that once the Caldari have to deal with endless hordes of stabbed farmers, they complain. But when the Gallente have to deal hordes of stabbed farmers? HTFU.

Except they didn't except in passive aggressive ways like this. Both sides complained about them...rather annoyingly at that.

Something I have noticed: I miss the Gallente. Whenever logging in I'd always run into one or two and have a few fights. Last night I logged on for the first time in nearly a week and found roughly eight unique Minmatar pilots roaming about. Not a single one was up for a fight. Made me very sad.

Except they didn't except in passive aggressive ways like this. Both sides complained about them...rather annoyingly at that.

Something I have noticed: I miss the Gallente. Whenever logging in I'd always run into one or two and have a few fights. Last night I logged on for the first time in nearly a week and found roughly eight unique Minmatar pilots roaming about. Not a single one was up for a fight. Made me very sad.

Thing is, if you take the Minmatar out of the equation, there's nothing to counter the Caldari farming horde, which hit VP numbers that were unequaled in the spiking tier cashout days. At least now, it's relatively balanced.

And please follow up on this by separating the Kiwis from the Aussies, the Scots from the English and the Canadians from the Americans. Diagonal social security claims are a blight on this wonderful world.

What systems do you roam looking for fights in? I have had similar issues, maybe I can come provide some amusement in a Caldari hot spot?

Also, my original post should have read "Select caldari". Lots of Caldari (and Gallente) agree the farmers need to be toned down.

Thing is, if you take the Minmatar out of the equation, there's nothing to counter the Caldari farming horde, which hit VP numbers that were unequaled in the spiking tier cashout days. At least now, it's relatively balanced.

What we did see was that after the amarr hit tier 4 the recorded minmatar vp numbers spiked through the roof.

Event after that spike, the minmatar vp numbers never hit the highs that the Caldari Vp numbers did - but the minnies had less systems so it's harder to hit the numbers. Both the minnies and the Caldari had enough people to pretty much perma run every plex in every system..

I admit that watching the less friendly Caldari complain about stabbed farmers brings a sort of bittersweet enjoyment since way back when the Caldari took all the systems the first time, a large proportion of Caldari plexers back then were stabbed and had no interest in fight either. ..

I agree that mechanics need to come into place to tone down farmers (I don't want to turn this into another notifications thread, if you've noticed I'm not really in those threads anymore, my viewpoint is pretty much I don't think CCP should take intel away from being a player generated thing, but I don't feel that strongly about it either way. I'd rather focus on things we agree on than argue over and over about things we don't) .

but I think the diagonal plexing helps to balance things (we even saw some Amarr for a while not long ago when they had their short resurgence).

If we took diagonal plexing away, it would immediately be Caldari farmers dominating gal/cal, and the Minmatar farmers dominating Amarr/Min. Right now the amount of systems the Caldari farmers are holding are far more than the number of systems the Gallente would hold if diagonal plexing went away.

As you've stated many times - sov in 90% of systems is pretty much just determined by farmers. And the current system keeps the farmers balanced more than removing diagonal plexing.

To me any sort of plexes that involve rats and buttons will always be looked on by some as pve and no amount of intel or stopping diagonal plexing will stop this view.
As iv said before only way i see fw sov war becoming more pvp in some peoples mind is do it the way null seccers do it by tcu and sbus and other timers to fight for, Im not for this idea i see it boring and tedious structure grinding in hopes you dont get blueballed and get a fight but i do see it as the only way to change peoples mind on it being a pve mechanic not a pvp one

If the vast majority of plexes that are taken involve a pvp fight then you have a pvp mechanic. If the vast majority of plexes that are taken do not involve a pvp fight then its pve.

This shows an astounding lack of creativity. so the only way they can have a pvp mechanic is to do exactly what they do in null sec. Nothing else is posible.

The rats currently do not effect the war. If they boosted them like they used to be they would and did effect the war.

I don't care what is "in some peoples minds". If the vast majority of plexes that are taken involve a pvp fight then you have a pvp mechanic. If the vast majority of plexes that are taken do not involve a pvp fight then its pve.

When the vp from cross plexing is not counted its hard to make that sort of statement.

Edit: Epta you need a new pos in Saht :D

Incorrect. There was one point where amarr spiked to tier 4 and gallete spiked to tier 5. This event caused all minmatar and caldari farming to occcur in their own warzones.

During this brief window it was possible to see the extent of the farming armies of that time, with both minmatar and caldari hitting upwards of 130,000 vp per day. While i dont have the figures written down, iirc the caldari scored 5-10% more vp each day. Which makes some sense given we have 30% more systems to farm.

After reading on i see you have covered all that.

As for gallente competing with the matar and caldari during inferno? hardly. Caldari were hitting tier 5 on a weekly basis, however inefficient that might be (i believe caldari have a inferiority complex and did far too regular cashouts just to brag when in reality it was a huge waste of LP). when we swung systems for or few tier 4 cashouts and our tier 5 cashout all our systems were vulnerable within 3-4 days. Something that would take us weeks to do even with the minmatar farmers. Sometimes during tier pushes, the systems we bashed first were nearly vulnerable before we had finished bashing the last lol

Actually i feel like the opposite of this separation would be beneficial to the war against farmers. And by this I mean granting the Lp store sov bonuses to the other friendly faction. Gallente can cash in Minmatar Lp at same conditions as them ,and same for Cald/Amarr, at same Tier bonuses of the other side.
Why? because farmers follow sovereignity unbalances, right? when a lv 4 mission grants 100k Lp, the masses flow with the current and everyone starts their own minnie alt.
But if both militias had access to both their respective Lp stores, then perhaps it would mean a halt in the alt-proliferation, since it simply requires to jump your main into that space and do the dirty deed yourself, if the Tier is more favourable than your home faction's.

*turning on DMC II

Now that never happens. If you plex for the losing side, you just get less for the same time put in.

...Now the way we do it now everyone cashes out for the same price and yes if your on the losing side the lp you earn is less but that is offset with the actual price of your faction items @ market...

And for the "winning" side because they have so much lp available there items ar currently devalued so much at market it nt really worth the time if i had a minnie alt i wouldnt be spending nething atm and waiting for the navy canes atleast they should have some value when there introduced