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Bad'eye
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Posted - 2005.10.03 04:19:00 -
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Bcuz if u have low sec rating AP really does not help at all. I had to plot my own course.
Even with selected less secure space it tried to force me to go through a 0.9 and 1.0 before i got to the 0.3s etc.
I had to plot my own way around it. Is there any programs anyone made out tehre that can plot courses to a specific range of security ratings you want?
Also why doesnt CCP add specific things you wish to avoid. Ie: 0.9 / 1.0 systems.
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Irashi
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Posted - 2005.10.03 04:30:00 -
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Originally by: Bad'eye Bcuz if u have low sec rating AP really does not help at all. I had to plot my own course.
Maybe you shouldn't have killed those people in low sec then. That'll learn ya
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Trick'eye
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Posted - 2005.10.03 04:32:00 -
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Originally by: Irashi
Originally by: Bad'eye Bcuz if u have low sec rating AP really does not help at all. I had to plot my own course.
Maybe you shouldn't have killed those people in low sec then. That'll learn ya
actually the thing that pushed me over the edge was a mistake, I thought i was in amamake... i wasnt :D i was in 0.5
was about 110mil loss and push over the sec rating edge.
but eh at least i still killed him
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nissin
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Posted - 2005.10.03 04:41:00 -
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Try eve-map from these guys http://www.eve-ffet.com/
No guarantee it will work as I haven't tried that, but I think it is your best bet. It won't take the place of auto-pilot of course, you will still have to jump 1 system at a time, but it can calculate the route at least.
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Aelius
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Posted - 2005.10.03 04:47:00 -
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Try that security bar on autopilot settings.
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Trick'eye
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Posted - 2005.10.03 04:56:00 -
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Originally by: Aelius Try that security bar on autopilot settings.
that bar is crazy
most of the time, 0 is the same route as 99
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Zhuge Liang
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Posted - 2005.10.03 06:36:00 -
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Any other program used to plot your autopilot besides the functions in the EVE game Client may be against EULA and punishible by a ban.
You can stay in low sec just select "prefer less secure" in your autopilot settings in the Map screen.
If getting to your destination inevitably means you must cross high sec, then you will have to plot your course manually yourself taking a very long route.
I'm not going to say "that'll learn ya" for being a naughty evil pirate but *cough* that'll really learn ya! *cough*
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Trinelise
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Posted - 2005.10.03 06:47:00 -
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Originally by: Zhuge Liang Any other program used to plot your autopilot besides the functions in the EVE game Client may be against EULA and punishible by a ban.
You can stay in low sec just select "prefer less secure" in your autopilot settings in the Map screen.
If getting to your destination inevitably means you must cross high sec, then you will have to plot your course manually yourself taking a very long route.
I'm not going to say "that'll learn ya" for being a naughty evil pirate but *cough* that'll really learn ya! *cough*
I think he intends to plot the course himself , he just need a program that will find the the way and list the systems he would need to go through. Noone intented to do something naughty.
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K'thang
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Posted - 2005.10.03 06:54:00 -
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Originally by: Trinelise
Originally by: Zhuge Liang Any other program used to plot your autopilot besides the functions in the EVE game Client may be against EULA and punishible by a ban.
I think he intends to plot the course himself , he just need a program that will find the the way and list the systems he would need to go through. Noone intented to do something naughty.
Yeah, I agree. I would really like such a program myself, to plot the course off-line. A program that would not interact with the EVE client in any way, but be a stand-alone map-route calculator. Hell, it could even print it out on paper for you This tool would then be no more harmfull that EveDude Plus, or any other character gen out there.
Oh, I want it to plot secure routes to lower sec space. As most camps are on the usually auto-pilot traffic'ed way. I've gotten around many camps this way before |
Fester Addams
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Posted - 2005.10.03 07:26:00 -
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Like Zhuge Liang said a third party autopilot program would be against the EULA.
Thats said you should be able to set the autopilot to avoid high sec, what you need is to set it to avoid high sec and change the sensitivity of the selection. While fiddling with the new autopilot settings I seem to remember being able to get it to never enter high sec as well as never leaving high sec even if there are no other paths.
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Swedish Bob
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Posted - 2005.10.03 07:56:00 -
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Originally by: Fester Addams Like Zhuge Liang said a third party autopilot program would be against the EULA.
No, he said it may be a violation. I've never known a mod to deal in absolutes. I would serious kill whoever I needed to in order to get some decent ingame tools. I hate the current interface and just about everything about it. From its slow laggy nature to the hierarchal nature to it. It would be nice if you could customize it so in the middle of a lag fight we don't have to click 30 different things to do what you want.
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Deka Kador
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Posted - 2005.10.03 08:01:00 -
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I'm sure the was a tool out there which used to have the ability to plot courses for you (if memory serves, it was part of a program which listed all agents in the game + their level/quality etc).
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Fester Addams
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Posted - 2005.10.03 08:15:00 -
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Originally by: Swedish Bob
Originally by: Fester Addams Like Zhuge Liang said a third party autopilot program would be against the EULA.
No, he said it may be a violation...
EULA section 7. CONDUCT: 2. You may not use your own or third-party software to modify any content appearing within the Game environment or change how the Game is played.
To me its fairly clear that using a 3rd party program to modify the autopilot is against the EULA. While it is a violation I doubt that CCP will actively hunt players that use a program that makes it easier to set autopilot paths like you want them however the fact remains it is an EULA violation.
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Teles666
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Posted - 2005.10.03 08:45:00 -
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Edited by: Teles666 on 03/10/2005 08:45:55 I would try eve map as posted above. It's never worked for me but if you get it working it should be quite good :) Try running it in 256 colour mode if you have problems (right click, properties, compatibility)
I don't agree that using eve map can be against the EULA as it does not modify the game in any way shape or form, you get a list of hops and type them into eve yourself - adding waypoints.
ps. it gives you the exact same waypoints as the eve AP does in my experience, if ticking prefer low sec doesn't work maybe there isn't a low sec path?
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Attiladehun
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Posted - 2005.10.03 08:55:00 -
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Edited by: Attiladehun on 03/10/2005 08:56:52
Originally by: Fester Addams
EULA section 7. CONDUCT: 2. You may not use your own or third-party software to modify any content appearing within the Game environment or change how the Game is played.
To me its fairly clear that using a 3rd party program to modify the autopilot is against the EULA. While it is a violation I doubt that CCP will actively hunt players that use a program that makes it easier to set autopilot paths like you want them however the fact remains it is an EULA violation.
A 3rd party program that MODIFYS the game, yet the autopilot is offline, doesn't even interract with the eve client and therefore is not a 3rd party program. Every program you use outside of eve and as long as it does not interract with the eve game, is not against eula. macro miners = interracting = against eula. Character manager does not interract with the client it only gets info from the site, yet it isn't against eula because it does nothing to the game itself.
If you say that the autopilot offline is against eula, then everyone using excell for mining/fitting sheets is against it too, since you are checking stuff out how you wanna work ingame.
It's clear how it says, modify the game.
Just pointing this out, if i'm wrong then i'm sorry but it's how i think it is
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K'thang
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Posted - 2005.10.03 09:00:00 -
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What he said ^^, as I said earlier ;) |
Dark Shikari
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Posted - 2005.10.03 09:06:00 -
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Edited by: Dark Shikari on 03/10/2005 09:07:43
Originally by: Zhuge Liang Any other program used with EVE to plot your autopilot besides the functions in the EVE game Client may be against EULA and punishible by a ban.
You can stay in low sec just select "prefer less secure" in your autopilot settings in the Map screen.
If getting to your destination inevitably means you must cross high sec, then you will have to plot your course manually yourself taking a very long route.
I'm not going to say "that'll learn ya" for being a naughty evil pirate but *cough* that'll really learn ya! *cough*
So EVE-Map on EVE-I is an exploit?
If any 3rd party program is an exploit, that means using the Windows Calculator is an exploit, and I should be banned.
I think the phrase you're looking for is any third party program that affects directly the functionality of the game is bannable. EVE-Map simply allows you to plot your own course, from anywhere to anywhere.
If plotting your own autopilot course from the data files is an exploit, then fitting your ship in the EVE ship fitter outside of game is an exploit, and so is calculating your mining yield using an ore calculator. -- Proud member of the [23].
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Matthew
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Posted - 2005.10.03 09:23:00 -
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There are actually 2 different program concepts here, that people are getting confused over.
"3rd Party Autopilot" would be something that flew your ship to the given destination by the specified route, independant of the in-game autopilot. By definition this would have to involve a macro, and hence is clearly against the EULA.
What a lot of you are suggesting though, and what eve-map is, is a "3rd Party Routefinder". In practical terms, all this is is an analysis tool for the eve map data released by CCP. You still have to use the in-game facilities to set the course and fly the course, the same as any other manually-set course. As such, I would be very surprised if that was judged an EULA violation.
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Terrapin
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Posted - 2005.10.03 18:03:00 -
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Edited by: Terrapin on 03/10/2005 18:06:16 I remember CCP releasing the Eve map tables (4.5MB).
It could be used for creating your own route calculator (among other things).
I'm pretty sure some data has been outdated by now, but perhaps you could get CCP to release an updated version.
Quoted from the link:
Quote: The data is provided as-is. You can use this for creating maps on fansites, calculating routes, etc.
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Nyphur
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Posted - 2005.10.03 18:15:00 -
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I was going to chime in with the EULA thing but then I read the post carefully. He's looking for a program that has eve's map laid out and can do a better job of calculating safe autopilot trips than the in-game autopilot, using which he will have to input the course manually, system-by-system. Anything that interfaces with the client in this regard is a violation of the EULA, but if you're just setting the course manually, it's no different than a ship-fitter tool.
I can't see the Eve autopilot messing up like that, did you have avoid pod killing zones on? It takes priority and would give you a route with a 0.9 in it if no other was availible.
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BadManEdmundo
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Posted - 2005.10.03 18:29:00 -
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Originally by: Dark Shikari *snip*
He clearly said it was possible to be against the EULA.
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Nyphur
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Posted - 2005.10.03 18:34:00 -
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Originally by: BadManEdmundo
Originally by: Dark Shikari *snip*
He clearly said it was possible to be against the EULA.
I gather he said that because he wasn't sure but was going on intuition, it's not official until announced. And without overstepping my bounds as a humble player, I'd venture a bet that he's jsut misunderstanding the situation. It's the same as an eve fitting tool or a pencil and paper and a calculator, it might help you with the game but it's not an EULA breach and doesn't modify the client in any way or interact with it. It's just an information repository.
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Fester Addams
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Posted - 2005.10.03 18:36:00 -
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The way it works for me, and I have now tried it is to select prefer less secure and then push upp security penalty suitably high, 80 seems to work fine for me.
If I do this my ship will not create an autopilot path if I cant make the trip without moving through a 0.5 or higher system.
This works equally well with prefer safer, if I keep the security penalty at 80 I will not go through any 0.4 or lower sec systems.
If you want to be really sure set the security penalty to 100, that should definently keep you out of high sec empire :)
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