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Makkal Hanaya
Revenent Defence Corperation
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Posted - 2013.05.04 06:13:00 -
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Quote:New Caldari GÇô Tibus Heth has offered the Sebiestor Tribe access to Caldari medical technology for the treatment of comatose Tribal Chief Karin Midular, but has been turned down after GÇ£careful deliberationGÇ¥ by tribal leaders.
In a public statement, Tibus Heth offered GÇ£the full swath of Caldari medical expertise to the Sebiestor Tribe in order to bring about a positive resolution to this terrible tragedy.GÇ¥ He went on to say, GÇ£Unlike some others, the Caldari State treats well those who might be its friends. And though the Minmatar Republic and Caldari State have been at odds in the past, it is time to look beyond those differences and work together.
http://community.eveonline.com/news/news-channels/world-news/tibus-heth-offer-of-caldari-aid-to-sebiestor-tribe-rejected-1/ although my eyes were open they might have just as well've been closed
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Pieter Tuulinen
Pyre Falcon Defence Cadre XV-01A Pyre Falcon Defence Combine
1011
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Posted - 2013.05.04 06:55:00 -
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Perhaps the Executor's offer was a trifle late to be of substantiative use - nonetheless I do wish the Sebiestor had found some way to allow us to aid that remarkable woman in her struggle for life. |

Tabor Murn
Gradient Electus Matari
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Posted - 2013.05.04 08:29:00 -
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I hope that the Sebiestor Tribe has carefully considered this decision. I may not like Heth, but if he could offer the means to save the Ray of Matar, I would be inclined to forgive his faults. I'm sure the Tribe has better information than I do though, and it is their right to determine the best care for Midular. |

Aquila Shadow
BetaMax. CRONOS.
168
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Posted - 2013.05.04 08:37:00 -
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Well at least they considered the offer rather then flat out refusing it because....... you know........Heth. -á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á "Let Vigilance Be Your Sword" |

Lyn Farel
Kitzless
485
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Posted - 2013.05.04 10:01:00 -
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The intention is commendable, but the agenda behind it may stain the proposal a little. Maybe said offer would have been considered more genuine if executor Heth had not fallen again for his usual political japes directed at the Gallente.
Since gallente medical science has not been able to definitely put her out of danger, I have little hope for Caldari medical knowledge to do better, but it costs nothing to try. In fact, it could have been even more efficient if Caldari as well as Amarr offered their help genuinely. The combination of what Zainou, for example, has proved to be capable of and the deep medical amarrian knowledge could have proved useful.
Of course, that is what will only rarely happen in a divided cluster. |

Seriphyn Inhonores
Destiny Foundation
484
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Posted - 2013.05.04 10:16:00 -
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An attempt at the exploitation of a tragedy to score political points against the Gallente. Believing it to be done out of pure compassion would be naive. |

Andreus Ixiris
Mixed Metaphor
2540
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Posted - 2013.05.04 10:32:00 -
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How deeply cynical of him. Mane 614
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Stitcher
Re-Awakened Technologies Inc
1198
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Posted - 2013.05.04 10:40:00 -
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I suspect the Sebiestor leaders understood full well that this offer was made out of cynical politicking rather than actual compassion. Still, they took their time considering it... whether or not that was a diplomatic move on their part or whether they gave it serious thought I don't know.
In any case, cynical political showboating or not, it's good to see stuff like this happen. The Caldari and the Minmatar do need to start having a dialogue on why we're at odds and maybe looking into reinventing our relationship. An in-character blog and a video: http://verinsjournal.blogspot.com http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tu1mbsgo738
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Caellach Marellus
Aideron Technologies
878
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Posted - 2013.05.04 10:45:00 -
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Ah Heth at his finest, the man still has some fight in him.
Seems he's ranted all the angry boy out and has gone back to trying to play the charming political snake. It's not his strongest role, but it has had mixed to positive results for him in the past.
Striking at a recent point of contention between the Federation and the Republic by attempting to (poorly) pass off genuine concern. Also an excellent dig at his rivals within the State itself, not that Ishukone can really approach the Republic, what are they going to offer, to fix things with TCMC's?
This was a well played gambit by Heth, costs him nothing if he's rejected and makes gains if he succeeds. Much better thinking than his recent lunatic drivel to crowds of pre-picked loyalists. Enjoy your gaming.
http://northern-goblin.blogspot.com |

Ava Starfire
Gradient Electus Matari
935
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Posted - 2013.05.04 12:05:00 -
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It is a light in the darkness that Heth would offer our Tribe such aid. Political insinuations aside, as a leader of an enemy state, he took a great risk in offering this. I never thought I'd utter the words "Thank you" with him as the intended recepient.
I do hope the Tribe did not deny the offer of aid solely for political reasons, though I will guess they did not. I do not know.
Refusal of this assistance likely means, one way or another, that the outcome for the Ray of Matar is no longer in question...
...anyway, thank you, Mr. Heth. "There is no strength in numbers; have no such misconception."
-Jayka Vofur, "Warfare in the North" |

TomHorn
Caldari Waffen Legion
96
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Posted - 2013.05.04 13:44:00 -
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We know how it feels to have the jack boot of the Federation on the nape of our neck, and the contempt they have for our Caldari State.
The comments from the Federation zealots above ,is what we would expect from them regarding this generous and sincere offer of medical help.
Fine and noble gesture from our State Leader Tibus Heth.
Hail Heth
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Scherezad
Lai Dai Research Spacelane Security
880
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Posted - 2013.05.04 13:59:00 -
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Even if you feel cause to doubt Heth-haan's sincerity, please do not doubt the sincerity of our people. I'm saddened by the rejection, if only because it prevents me from helping. Best of luck in your efforts. |

Desiderya
Pyre Falcon Defence and Security Pyre Falcon Defence Combine
316
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Posted - 2013.05.04 15:01:00 -
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The bitterness of our federal friends is striking, if only they had thought of that first, instead of playing a legal tug of war. The friendly facade vanishes quickly if they don't get their way, no?
Anyways, I wish Midular good luck and that she can regain her health in good time. After all she's an interesting woman and, I hope, not quite done yet.
Ruthlessness is the kindness of the wise. |

Adreena Madeveda
Re-Awakened Technologies Inc
103
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Posted - 2013.05.04 15:03:00 -
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I hope, I trust this decision was made pondering nothing but Karin Midular well-being. ...................\o\ /o/................... |

Andreus Ixiris
Mixed Metaphor
2552
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Posted - 2013.05.04 15:22:00 -
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TomHorn wrote:We know how it feels to have the jack boot of the Federation on the nape of our neck, and the contempt they have for our Caldari State.
The comments from the Federation zealots above ,is what we would expect from them regarding this generous and sincere offer of medical help.
Fine and noble gesture from our State Leader Tibus Heth.
Hail Heth
Never miss a chance to score some cheap propaganda points do you, you feculent little toad? Mane 614
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Caellach Marellus
Aideron Technologies
881
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Posted - 2013.05.04 16:26:00 -
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Desiderya wrote:The bitterness of our federal friends is striking, if only they had thought of that first, instead of playing a legal tug of war. The friendly facade vanishes quickly if they don't get their way, no?
Not looking a gift horse in the mouth makes them bitter? Or because like everything that comes out of the blue these days they choose to analyse it and consider the angle it's coming from.
Remember, if something is too good to be true, there's usually a reason for that.
Of course, I commend you and Tomhorn in your attempts to slander the Federation in an attempt to endear yourselves further to the Republic in an attempt to weaken their alliance to a situation in your favour. Bravo.
One day here's hoping people can just offer aid and assistance with the notion of peace and prosperity, without ulterior, underhanded motives, between the Empires. Enjoy your gaming.
http://northern-goblin.blogspot.com |

Fredfredbug4
Eve Defence Force Tribal Band
869
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Posted - 2013.05.04 18:05:00 -
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Tibus Heth isn't trying to be friends with the Minmatar by doing this, he just wants to create another enemy of the Gallente. This wasn't aid, this was a bribe, typical Provist tactics.
I'm sure the aid would of been sincere were it from the true Caldari people.
Predictably, he has failed. A few petty arguments over law aren't going to be enough to tear us apart. Watch Fred Fred Frederation and stop cryptozoologist! Fight against the brutal genocide of fictional creatures across New Eden! Is that a metaphor? Probably not, but the fru-fru- people will sure love it! |

Katrina Oniseki
Revenent Defence Corperation Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
1490
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Posted - 2013.05.04 20:03:00 -
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Surprised by Heth's offer.
Not surprised by the Republic's response.
Amused by the Federal posters in this thread. Ch+½j+ì Katrina Oniseki ~ (RDC) Chief Operations Officer ~ [I-RED] Sub-Director of Public Relations |

Pieter Tuulinen
Pyre Falcon Defence Cadre XV-01A Pyre Falcon Defence Combine
1014
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Posted - 2013.05.04 21:45:00 -
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Caellach Marellus wrote:Desiderya wrote:The bitterness of our federal friends is striking, if only they had thought of that first, instead of playing a legal tug of war. The friendly facade vanishes quickly if they don't get their way, no? Not looking a gift horse in the mouth makes them bitter? Or because like everything that comes out of the blue these days they choose to analyse it and consider the angle it's coming from. Remember, if something is too good to be true, there's usually a reason for that. Of course, I commend you and Tomhorn in your attempts to slander the Federation in an attempt to endear yourselves further to the Republic in an attempt to weaken their alliance to a situation in your favour. Bravo. One day here's hoping people can just offer aid and assistance with the notion of peace and prosperity, without ulterior, underhanded motives, between the Empires.
Yeah, considering Kyiokinnen-haani's statement in the same light as Horn-haan's simply shows you don't know either party as well as you should before making sweeping pronouncements about their motivations. |

Scherezad
Lai Dai Research Spacelane Security
884
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Posted - 2013.05.04 21:57:00 -
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Caellach Marellus wrote:One day here's hoping people can just offer aid and assistance with the notion of peace and prosperity, without ulterior, underhanded motives, between the Empires.
We shall find no peace between us until we stop assuming the worst of our neighbours and best of ourselves.
My thoughts and best wishes to the Ray of Matar. |

Caellach Marellus
Aideron Technologies
882
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Posted - 2013.05.04 22:33:00 -
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Pieter Tuulinen wrote:Caellach Marellus wrote:Desiderya wrote:The bitterness of our federal friends is striking, if only they had thought of that first, instead of playing a legal tug of war. The friendly facade vanishes quickly if they don't get their way, no? Not looking a gift horse in the mouth makes them bitter? Or because like everything that comes out of the blue these days they choose to analyse it and consider the angle it's coming from. Remember, if something is too good to be true, there's usually a reason for that. Of course, I commend you and Tomhorn in your attempts to slander the Federation in an attempt to endear yourselves further to the Republic in an attempt to weaken their alliance to a situation in your favour. Bravo. One day here's hoping people can just offer aid and assistance with the notion of peace and prosperity, without ulterior, underhanded motives, between the Empires. Yeah, considering Kyiokinnen-haani's statement in the same light as Horn-haan's simply shows you don't know either party as well as you should before making sweeping pronouncements about their motivations.
Please spare me, your last attempt at propaganda was awful. You aren't really going to be on a much better foot with this one.
The people may well be different, I've experienced enough of both to know this myself. But your associate's comments were struck out with a rather obvious goal in mind, and it happened to be on the same lines as someone else's. If you're offended I compared the two people well, that's just you reading too much into the fact they both tried to pull the same terrible line of propaganda.
Trust me, I would compare few people directly to Tomhorn. Your associate isn't one of them.
Point still stands, they used Federal cynicism for a rather obvious political move to make one of their own. Now unless you're saying it was for something as petty as just scoring "zingers" on a discussion forum, why else would they both have made the statements they did?
Scherezad wrote:Caellach Marellus wrote:One day here's hoping people can just offer aid and assistance with the notion of peace and prosperity, without ulterior, underhanded motives, between the Empires. We shall find no peace between us until we stop assuming the worst of our neighbours and best of ourselves.
I firmly agree with the latter, egos are there to be shattered in the current mess of things. The former is far more difficult so long as trust simply does not exist between certain groups of people. Let us hope those bridges are built with time, sooner than later preferably. Enjoy your gaming.
http://northern-goblin.blogspot.com |

TomHorn
Caldari Waffen Legion
96
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Posted - 2013.05.04 23:32:00 -
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Quote:Never miss a chance to score some cheap propaganda points do you, you feculent little toad?
You just cant handle the truth Andreus. Its not propaganda. Why not just accept the offer for what it was. A genuine offer of medical assistance from Heth in hope of improving relations between the State and the Repbulic.
Im not surprised the Federation Zealots were quick to pour scorn on this genuine offer. As they would not want to see an improvement of relations between the State and their allies the Republic.
At least the Sebiestor Tribe appreciated the offer for what it was. Let us all hope the Ray of Matar regains her health.
One trait you have to admire about the Republic is there loyalty. |

Silas Vitalia
Nobilita Nera JIHADASQUAD
830
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Posted - 2013.05.05 00:05:00 -
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Have all of you figured out where her eventual salvation will come from yet? You're going to love it.
Sabik now, Sabik forever |

Scherezad
Lai Dai Research Spacelane Security
889
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Posted - 2013.05.05 01:45:00 -
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Caellach Marellus wrote:I firmly agree with the latter, egos are there to be shattered in the current mess of things. The former is far more difficult so long as trust simply does not exist between certain groups of people. Let us hope those bridges are built with time, sooner than later preferably.
It makes me very happy to hear this, sir :)
Your first task will be to hold in your heart the real possibility that Tibus Heth may actually wish for Karin Midular's recovery, and that his invective against the Federation is secondary to his concern.
Cynicism is as dangerous an indulgence as pride, in my opinion, sir. |

Pieter Tuulinen
Pyre Falcon Defence Cadre XV-01A Pyre Falcon Defence Combine
1016
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Posted - 2013.05.05 02:00:00 -
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Caellach Marellus wrote:Please spare me, your last attempt at propaganda was awful. You aren't really going to be on a much better foot with this one. The people may well be different, I've experienced enough of both to know this myself. But your associate's comments were struck out with a rather obvious goal in mind, and it happened to be on the same lines as someone else's. If you're offended I compared the two people well, that's just you reading too much into the fact they both tried to pull the same terrible line of propaganda. Trust me, I would compare few people directly to Tomhorn. Your associate isn't one of them. Point still stands, they used Federal cynicism for a rather obvious political move to make one of their own. Now unless you're saying it was for something as petty as just scoring "zingers" on a discussion forum, why else would they both have made the statements they did?
Firstly, I don't play at propaganda. A colleague in the militia asked me to make certain facts known to the wider capsuleer community. I did this. In case you haven't noticed the sort of people you have out there attempting to steal State territory in your name in the Black Rise region.
My involvement was limited strictly to making the report, which I correctly dubbed 'disturbing'. Others then proceeded to argue the case. If you didn't, personally, find XGallentius' response to be a little bit disturbing then you have a stronger stomach than I do.
Secondly, you attempted to suggest that Horn-haan and Kyiokinnen-haani were doing the same thing and, to me, that suggests the same goal and the same intent. They were not. Kyiokinnen-haani is a front-line soldier and a Patriot. Horn-haan has never been seen near the front lines and is a Provist. If Kyiokinnen-haani had any motive beyond a simple disgust for the usual suspects who crawled over here to demean the Caldari State I'm sure I don't know what it is.
Thirdly, it's started to become apparent that any statement that is negative towards the Federation is now being written off as 'Propaganda' by Gallente Apologists. I'm saddened to have to point out that where this tactic is applied indiscriminately it is, itself, propaganda. Spin Control.
Unless you'd have us believe that the Federation is faultless and pure? |

Katran Luftschreck
Royal Ammatar Engineering Corps Interstellar Online Network
1451
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Posted - 2013.05.05 02:31:00 -
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A noble gesture from Heth, which makes me question what his real motives might be (this is Heth we're talking about), but in the end it won't keep the Republic from tossing the whole of the Caldari people into ovens if given half a chance to do so. Q: Just how bad were missiles and drones nerfed?-á A: They're adding them to Amarr ships now. |

Lyn Farel
Kitzless
489
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Posted - 2013.05.05 10:21:00 -
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Scherezad wrote:Caellach Marellus wrote:I firmly agree with the latter, egos are there to be shattered in the current mess of things. The former is far more difficult so long as trust simply does not exist between certain groups of people. Let us hope those bridges are built with time, sooner than later preferably. It makes me very happy to hear this, sir :) Your first task will be to hold in your heart the real possibility that Tibus Heth may actually wish for Karin Midular's recovery, and that his invective against the Federation is secondary to his concern. Cynicism is as dangerous an indulgence as pride, in my opinion, sir.
As well as flowery, contemptuous friendliness.
Pieter Tuulinen wrote: Firstly, I don't play at propaganda.A colleague in the militia asked me to make certain facts known to the wider capsuleer community. I did this. In case you haven't noticed the sort of people you have out there attempting to steal State territory in your name in the Black Rise region.
My involvement was limited strictly to making the report, which I correctly dubbed 'disturbing'. Others then proceeded to argue the case. If you didn't, personally, find XGallentius' response to be a little bit disturbing then you have a stronger stomach than I do.
Secondly, you attempted to suggest that Horn-haan and Kyiokinnen-haani were doing the same thing and, to me, that suggests the same goal and the same intent. They were not. Kyiokinnen-haani is a front-line soldier and a Patriot. Horn-haan has never been seen near the front lines and is a Provist. If Kyiokinnen-haani had any motive beyond a simple disgust for the usual suspects who crawled over here to demean the Caldari State I'm sure I don't know what it is.
Thirdly, it's started to become apparent that any statement that is negative towards the Federation is now being written off as 'Propaganda' by Gallente Apologists. I'm saddened to have to point out that where this tactic is applied indiscriminately it is, itself, propaganda. Spin Control.
Unless you'd have us believe that the Federation is faultless and pure?
That sure is a lot of strawman arguments in the same piece of drivel. |

Desiderya
Pyre Falcon Defence and Security Pyre Falcon Defence Combine
319
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Posted - 2013.05.05 10:35:00 -
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Caellach Marellus wrote: Of course, I commend you and Tomhorn in your attempts to slander the Federation in an attempt to endear yourselves further to the Republic in an attempt to weaken their alliance to a situation in your favour. Bravo.
There's no need to slander the federation. You're doing this well enough by your own already. Ruthlessness is the kindness of the wise. |

Caellach Marellus
Aideron Technologies
882
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Posted - 2013.05.05 11:40:00 -
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Pieter Tuulinen wrote:
Thirdly, it's started to become apparent that any statement that is negative towards the Federation is now being written off as 'Propaganda' by Gallente Apologists. I'm saddened to have to point out that where this tactic is applied indiscriminately it is, itself, propaganda. Spin Control.
Unless you'd have us believe that the Federation is faultless and pure?
Speaking of people not knowing people, you couldn't be way more off the mark Tuulinen.
Though I'll be expecting some form of alcohol in exchange for the insult.
Desiderya wrote:Caellach Marellus wrote: Of course, I commend you and Tomhorn in your attempts to slander the Federation in an attempt to endear yourselves further to the Republic in an attempt to weaken their alliance to a situation in your favour. Bravo.
There's no need to slander the federation. You're doing this well enough by your own already.
I prefer to call it criticism. See when I make remarks against the Federation it's actually based on merit of things they have done, or things they should have done but didn't. Enjoy your gaming.
http://northern-goblin.blogspot.com |

Lyn Farel
Kitzless
489
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Posted - 2013.05.05 11:40:00 -
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Desiderya wrote:Caellach Marellus wrote: Of course, I commend you and Tomhorn in your attempts to slander the Federation in an attempt to endear yourselves further to the Republic in an attempt to weaken their alliance to a situation in your favour. Bravo.
There's no need to slander the federation. You're doing this well enough by your own already.
Ah ? I must have missed the memo. |
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