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Big Al
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Posted - 2003.08.01 14:23:00 -
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I have seen on the patch review forums that you will only be able to make a specific number of items from blueprint copies.
What is going to happen to existing blueprint copies?
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Nerhtal Al'Thali
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Posted - 2003.08.01 14:27:00 -
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theres a dozen of these threads (ok exagerated number there but im sure ive seen 3 or 4 now pertaingin to this subject)
as far as ive gathered not much has been said on what will happen to existing copies?
hopefully we'll know soon enough
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Riddari
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Posted - 2003.08.01 14:32:00 -
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All blueprint copies on Chaos (test server) have been set to 300 runs.
That's 300 mallers for one copy or 30k ammo 
I guess CCP will have to decided if they put flat 300 on the live server or some other number.
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Moses Alticpoco
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Posted - 2003.08.01 14:34:00 -
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bit stingy aint it?
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Shock
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Posted - 2003.08.01 14:50:00 -
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Just think about it, Callas made a good remark where he stated that the price of the blueprints per possible ship should be less then the BYOM deals.
All frigate prints are cheap enough to just buy them yourself.
Most Cruiser prints are going between 10 and 30 million, depending on the type of cruiser and the mineral efficiency. For 300 ships this means 33 to 100k.
Most BYOM deals I've seen cost you about 500k to 1M extra.
So all cruiser owners should not complain too much here.
For battleships, well this is supposed to be a very secluded market anyway, and I don't really suspect it will differ much in price of the cruisers otherwise.
Battleships are way too cheap anyway, in comparison with their power. There are way too much flying around.
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Jash Illian
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Posted - 2003.08.01 15:05:00 -
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My problem is that nobody has address the concern with copying and Mass Production.
I can run 4 factories with Mass Production. I often have 2 copies of the same missile bp running in a factory in order to halve my production time when making missiles to sell. Now according to the Path Review forum, it takes longer to copy a blueprint for every batch that blueprint is capable of.
So if I want to do the same after the change, I have to spend extra time copying my originals (I only own 1 copy out of 20 or so) and still have limited use out of the copies. And having to repeatedly copy my blueprints interferes with research time, both on the original and on other blueprints (can only run one lab at a time). Or if I want to take advantage of my Mass Production skills, I have to buy multiple original blueprints and research each of them.
It's a bad deal for something that won't solve a damn thing.
I mean its like you want corporations to oblige each other like its sex or something. Pffft I would rather **** my enemy.- Rohann
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SuicideFred
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Posted - 2003.08.01 15:15:00 -
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Current blueprint copies players already own should be grandfathered and have unlimited use. That way players would not feel cheated.
After-the-patch blueprint copies could be treated any way CCP desires.
I like the idea of limits on blueprint copies. I do not like the idea of having my current investments stolen.
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Ends
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Posted - 2003.08.01 16:21:00 -
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Edited by: Ends on 01/08/2003 16:21:45
One thing seems certain, if the copys for battleships get a limited production number set on them, those that went in on BP buying deals to get copys are going to experiance massive losses.
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Singular
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Posted - 2003.08.01 16:25:00 -
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Well, everyone should agree something should be done.
I havent thought through this solution too well, but I dont think it will make a huge difference.
People will just go out and buy originals instead now...its really not THAT much more.
The only issue I can see is battleship BPs...
Actually, Im glad they introduced this before level II BPs came out. Perhaps a real market will exist for those.
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killzone
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Posted - 2003.08.01 17:34:00 -
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Where do people keep getting this 300 number from?
Right now old bp's are set to unlimitted.
NEW copies have a max amount, dependent on the type of BP it is. (i.e. a Battleship has 10 as it's limit, a cruiser has 15, etc. etc.)
This can all change before it goes live.
I hope it stays this way. It will prevent an influx of new copies, but not screw over those who invested possibly sizable amounts in copies before any of this was announced.
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csebal
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Posted - 2003.08.01 18:43:00 -
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Grandfathering copies?
you say, people would be upset if they would nerf copies?
I can tell you, that those with originals would be equally upset, if they wouldn't.
Dont you think, that people who were patient and wise enough, not to invest into copies should be rewarded this way?
I do.
btw: everyone thinking about it for a minute should have known, that copies are not right as they are now, and that they'll most probably change them. I feel sorry for those who didn't took the time to think.
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Hottie
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Posted - 2003.08.01 19:04:00 -
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The blueprint original/blueprint copy changes that are being tested now are certainly big changes. Because blueprints are the most expensive item in the game and many corps have invested huge sums of money/time in either originals or copies I'm sure we'll have a lot of fallout from any changes to the current system.
Methinks CCP is trying to "protect" the investment people have made in blueprint copies by grandfathering them as they are. I'm sure many people will freak-out if their cruiser copies can now only produce 15 units and bships 10. Copy owners are probably saying yeah if I had know it was going to get nerf'd then I wouldn't have purchased a copy...etc. So, the grandfathering concept comes along to protect copy owners.
But there is another side to this too. What about original owners? If you own an original you will only be able to produce nerf'd blueprint copies. Basically original blueprint owners will also be hit because there new copies won't be able to compete against existing grandfathered copies. What will happen who knows but I'd guess grandfathered copies will go up in value whereas new copies will be worth much less. There will then be three tiers of blueprints in Eve: original, grandfathered copies, and nerf'd copies. So what is being done to protect original owners? Shouldn't there be grandfathered originals then? I.e., originals that can still produce unnerf'd copies to protect original owners too? That is, having known that originals wouldn't be able to produce copies that are as good as any other copy on the third market then maybe people wouldn't have spent all the money on the original knowing that it would be nerf'd going foward. So will originals be protected/grandfathered along the same lines as copies?
In the end I suggest that the concept of grandfathering should be all or none. Grandfather both originals and copies such that they perform as they do today (originals produce copies that can produce unlimited units and copies can still produce unlimited units). Or, grandfather neither. Grandfathering neither will screw everybody equally. Grandfathering copies screws original owners. Grandfather both doesn't screw anybody.
And what do we expect to happen with these changes? There are so many copies out there now that grandfathering copies will probably cause zero effect on the economy. Nerf'ing them will **** people off but probably have an economic impact.
Also, what about just saying what's done is done and only implementing the production limit concept on new tech level 2 blueprints? Everyone keeps saying tech level 2 will solve the current economy issues so why not use it to solve the blueprint copy issue too. Why mess with the single most expensive investments people have in the game thus far.
CCP, if you're out there, please take your time on really thinking this one through. The outcome of this change will likely rock the Eve world. Both the ingame impact and also player opinion on how the "rules of the game" are all of a sudden turned on their head by these types of changes.
My vote would be to grandfather nothing.
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Big Al
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Posted - 2003.08.01 21:23:00 -
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Don't get me wrong. My corp owns several bp copies. That is part of the problem that will compound onto the existing ones faced by new players.
Old corps have all the offices, the unlimited bp copies and the knowledge.
I don't particularly want to lose our bp copies as they are valued but, the market is flooded with them as it is. I am for the limited run option.
Every man and his dog owns a blueprint of some description at the moment. That's why the market is in turmoil.
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