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Kronos
Mine 'N' Refine The Unforgiven Alliance
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Posted - 2013.05.17 12:31:00 -
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I agree there is something wrong with the war mechanics for high sec. I dont mind the odd war dec lasting 1-2 weeks because some pirate player corp wants to, or that someone has done something to upset another corp I think its all fair and with in the game rights. But I have now had a high sec war running now for 1-2 months and they are not going to stop. If you look at the history they are war deccing everyone who enter Jita (includes on the list Goonswarm and Test Alliance).
Now this is causing a major strain on my Alliance I formed. It is killing and upsetting the way people want to play EVE. I know a few people who bearly log on now because they know they will be hunted and killed. I do not know a good way how this problem can be sloved, but maybe putting fee's higher to something silly say 1-2 Billion a week to war dec a high sec based alliance then only really serious players will war dec. Also we have the nice bounty system in place if there was a way to buy a bounty tag from concord so you could hunt one particular person for a fee.
I am currently running my alt character but this war has runined my game play along with members in my alliance, it has stopped me doing the things I love to do in EVE, its a shame that someone elses fun is runied because others want to take advantage of easy kills and others hard work. It should not be this easy for them. I know of may high sec industrial based corp/alliances that have been disbanded or have all split up because of this problem.
Please CCP if you say you read these forums and what us players say, take note and try and help this problem. |
Cannibal Kane
Somali Coast Guard Authority
1759
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Posted - 2013.05.17 13:29:00 -
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Kronos wrote:I agree there is something wrong with the war mechanics for high sec. I dont mind the odd war dec lasting 1-2 weeks because some pirate player corp wants to, or that someone has done something to upset another corp I think its all fair and with in the game rights. But I have now had a high sec war running now for 1-2 months and they are not going to stop. If you look at the history they are war deccing everyone who enter Jita (includes on the list Goonswarm and Test Alliance).
Now this is causing a major strain on my Alliance I formed. It is killing and upsetting the way people want to play EVE. I know a few people who bearly log on now because they know they will be hunted and killed. I do not know a good way how this problem can be sloved, but maybe putting fee's higher to something silly say 1-2 Billion a week to war dec a high sec based alliance then only really serious players will war dec. Also we have the nice bounty system in place if there was a way to buy a bounty tag from concord so you could hunt one particular person for a fee.
I am currently running my alt character but this war has runined my game play along with members in my alliance, it has stopped me doing the things I love to do in EVE, its a shame that someone elses fun is runied because others want to take advantage of easy kills and others hard work. It should not be this easy for them. I know of may high sec industrial based corp/alliances that have been disbanded or have all split up because of this problem.
Please CCP if you say you read these forums and what us players say, take note and try and help this problem.
Oh hey look...
Future targets.
Seriously pay 1-2 bill to dec a highsec alliance.
"I saw him fight by the monument in Jita. -áHe flowed in his Machariel like a Shinto spirit, 800MM shells sprouting in his passing. -áHis hair flowed in the corona of his target's warp core breach. -áIt was truly majestic. -áAnd while everyone stared in awe I stole the loot and ran off.-áBecause I am like that." --áNEONOVUS |
Dyphorus
Volition Cult The Volition Cult
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Posted - 2013.05.19 05:22:00 -
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Goram Kar wrote:Vimsy Vortis wrote:You could, you know, try and do something about it and not whine on the forums. Over the last year and a half wars have been changed in such as way that the mechanic is hugely biased in favor of the defender. If you can't figure out how to not get horribly beaten by people when the game itself is biased in your favor then you're doing something wrong. Oh we've tried. We formed a fleet with logi and some cruisers, only to be chased away by Bhaalghorns and a fleet of t3 and neutral reppers. Thing is, this has been going on for weeks on end now. It is hard to keep an alliance together if were ordered to just stay docked for that long....and its in the end hurting moral. Kind of doubt we can muster up enough guys to even try a fleet similar to that again.
If you have an alliance, not just a corp, that can't handle a few little war decs, you might start looking for a new group. It's really not hard to survive, and even maintain functionality during a war dec.
Tips - WATCH LOCAL. You have an mechanism that gives you perfect intel. WTs cannot be in system without you knowing it. Every mining ship you alliance looses is the explicit fault of the pilot not bothering to open his eyes and pay attention to what's going on in system.
- Don't be where they expect you to be.
- Alt haulers. It takes no time at all to train a logistics alt that you can leave in an NPC corp for when you have to move things around.
- Communicate. If your alliance were worth a damn they'd have intel channels to keep track or WTs, which can give you additional warning beyond that you get from WATCHING LOCAL.
- Don't feed them, they won't dec you again. Every ship lost to a war dec, that wasn't in an engagement of the defenders choosing is a mistake, period. Dead miner, wasn't smart enough to WATCH LOCAL. Dead missioner, wasn't smart enough to WATCH LOCAL. Dead hauler, wasn't smart enough to pause training for a couple of days to get an alt hauler up and running.
It is not that hard to survive in a state of war. Everyone of us that lives in nul sec survive everything you are dealing with and more (bubbles, hot-drops, bombs, etc....) every day. Use your head, work with your allies, don't be easy targets. |
Infinity Ziona
Cloakers
4
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Posted - 2013.05.19 10:44:00 -
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I used to play world or warcraft 1 - id make a bunch of peons and send them out to mine n chop wood. If I didnt also make a barracks and some military units the other guy would come in and kill all my peons. You're doing exactly the same thing in EvE. Recruit some pvp guys for your corp defence - practice some basic small ship pvp tactics. |
Garviel Tarrant
Beyond Divinity Inc Shadow Cartel
872
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Posted - 2013.05.19 17:02:00 -
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Infinity Ziona wrote:I used to play world or warcraft 1 - id make a bunch of peons and send them out to mine n chop wood. If I didnt also make a barracks and some military units the other guy would come in and kill all my peons. You're doing exactly the same thing in EvE. Recruit some pvp guys for your corp defence - practice some basic small ship pvp tactics.
Did you SERIOUSLY just call Warcraft 1, World of Warcraft one?
I hate everything. BYDI (Shadow cartel) Recruitment open!
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IbanezLaney
The Church of Awesome Caldari State Capturing
377
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Posted - 2013.05.20 01:03:00 -
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I recommend everyone in eve just going flashy red and then the wardec system will be unneeded.
Fix this **** See Sea Pea. |
JackknifedII
The Canaries The Explicit Alliance
28
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Posted - 2013.05.21 11:09:00 -
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High sec wars only exist because they generally mean easy kills for the aggressors. So don't give them any easy kills. If you know the trade hubs are camped, don't use the trade hubs. If you must use them, make some insta-warp undocking bookmarks (gave me easy access to jita and amarr when I needed more ammo and some nasty Germans were camping the undocks).
I don't know how many active members you have, but form up and fight back if you want. You don't have to use anything expensive. A rotating ball of caracals or destroyers can be alot of fun.
Dreams are transitory in nature, and therefore wasted on the living... Minmatar....we are generally unpleasant to be around....
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Infinity Ziona
Cloakers
10
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Posted - 2013.05.21 12:36:00 -
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Garviel Tarrant wrote:Infinity Ziona wrote:I used to play world or warcraft 1 - id make a bunch of peons and send them out to mine n chop wood. If I didnt also make a barracks and some military units the other guy would come in and kill all my peons. You're doing exactly the same thing in EvE. Recruit some pvp guys for your corp defence - practice some basic small ship pvp tactics. Did you SERIOUSLY just call Warcraft 1, World of Warcraft one? I hate everything. Yes. Yes I did. Lol. |
Edwin McAlister
Interstellar Engineering and Electronics INC
0
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Posted - 2013.05.21 14:27:00 -
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my problem is not the war-dec itself....
however, I do have a problem with the 3rd party, neutral corp, full of logi's that jump in and help out the aggressor's that started the war, |
Antillie Sa'Kan
Forging Industries Silent Infinity
34
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Posted - 2013.05.21 14:44:00 -
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Wouldn't it be cool if you also had a bunch of out of corp alts that could fly logi ships? Or even out of corp haulers/freighters so they could go to the trade hubs for you?
Or just move to low/null where neutral reppers are easily dealt with. I seriously doubt they will take those shiny faction BSs out of hi sec. But such is the nature of hi sec pvp. |
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Antillie Sa'Kan
Forging Industries Silent Infinity
34
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Posted - 2013.05.21 14:48:00 -
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Infinity Ziona wrote:Sex. Offer it. From the sounds of the whining I think the aggressors are already getting plenty of this from their targets. |
Ynot Drarig
Drarig Mining and Exploration Corporation
0
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Posted - 2013.05.23 13:05:00 -
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From what I have seen with the War Dec game mechanics, it is invariably High SP, Null Sec veterans, who set up Corp's in high sec for their Alt's. They then go around war deccing and shooting up relative noobs in their Tier 3 ships! Perhaps they are bored in Null Sec and/or looking for easy kills?
Not sure this kind of gameplay helps the "Sandbox" as it seems to discourage a lot of new players, who leave the game. Yes we could encourage the new players to stay in NPC Corps, but this removes some of the fun options?
Not sure of the answer, but it seems to me that we need to let the new players learn and become confident then encourage them to move out into low/null. Which they will, if null was easier to get into and more rewarding for the individual risk taker, rather than the big alliance.
As for the High Sec war deccers....make them pay 1.0Billion a day |
Aln 'Al-Talib' Hasin
Mentally Assured Destruction Whores in space
0
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Posted - 2013.05.23 14:42:00 -
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Kronos wrote:I agree there is something wrong with the war mechanics for high sec. I dont mind the odd war dec lasting 1-2 weeks because some pirate player corp wants to, or that someone has done something to upset another corp I think its all fair and with in the game rights. But I have now had a high sec war running now for 1-2 months and they are not going to stop. If you look at the history they are war deccing everyone who enter Jita (includes on the list Goonswarm and Test Alliance).
Now this is causing a major strain on my Alliance I formed. It is killing and upsetting the way people want to play EVE. I know a few people who bearly log on now because they know they will be hunted and killed. I do not know a good way how this problem can be sloved, but maybe putting fee's higher to something silly say 1-2 Billion a week to war dec a high sec based alliance then only really serious players will war dec. Also we have the nice bounty system in place if there was a way to buy a bounty tag from concord so you could hunt one particular person for a fee.
I am currently running my alt character but this war has runined my game play along with members in my alliance, it has stopped me doing the things I love to do in EVE, its a shame that someone elses fun is runied because others want to take advantage of easy kills and others hard work. It should not be this easy for them. I know of may high sec industrial based corp/alliances that have been disbanded or have all split up because of this problem.
Please CCP if you say you read these forums and what us players say, take note and try and help this problem.
I'd advise you stop lamenting over 'how the game should be' and begin finding solutions to the current reality that 'might makes right.' In EvE's current form, anyone who establishes an organization without regard or consideration on how to protect it will inevitably see it laid to waste. It is natural selection. There are many, many ways to combat aggressors as many have posted here. CCP may or may not create your risk-free industrial paradise one day, but it sure as hell doesn't exist now. Learn to adapt or fall into obscurity. http://economyofforce.blogspot.com/ |
Infinity Ziona
Cloakers
17
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Posted - 2013.05.23 15:29:00 -
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Ynot Drarig wrote:From what I have seen with the War Dec game mechanics, it is invariably High SP, Null Sec veterans, who set up Corp's in high sec for their Alt's. They then go around war deccing and shooting up relative noobs in their Tier 3 ships! Perhaps they are bored in Null Sec and/or looking for easy kills?
Not sure this kind of gameplay helps the "Sandbox" as it seems to discourage a lot of new players, who leave the game. Yes we could encourage the new players to stay in NPC Corps, but this removes some of the fun options?
Not sure of the answer, but it seems to me that we need to let the new players learn and become confident then encourage them to move out into low/null. Which they will, if null was easier to get into and more rewarding for the individual risk taker, rather than the big alliance.
As for the High Sec war deccers....make them pay 1.0Billion a day You have to remember that all high sec wars are consentual pvp. There are options to avoid wars. Not avoiding them is consenting to be shot. For many new players high sec wars are a controlled introduction to pvp and so wars are beneficial to the game. Not detrimental. |
Ynot Drarig
Drarig Mining and Exploration Corporation
0
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Posted - 2013.05.23 16:40:00 -
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Infinity Ziona wrote:Ynot Drarig wrote:From what I have seen with the War Dec game mechanics, it is invariably High SP, Null Sec veterans, who set up Corp's in high sec for their Alt's. They then go around war deccing and shooting up relative noobs in their Tier 3 ships! Perhaps they are bored in Null Sec and/or looking for easy kills?
Not sure this kind of gameplay helps the "Sandbox" as it seems to discourage a lot of new players, who leave the game. Yes we could encourage the new players to stay in NPC Corps, but this removes some of the fun options?
Not sure of the answer, but it seems to me that we need to let the new players learn and become confident then encourage them to move out into low/null. Which they will, if null was easier to get into and more rewarding for the individual risk taker, rather than the big alliance.
As for the High Sec war deccers....make them pay 1.0Billion a day You have to remember that all high sec wars are consentual pvp. There are options to avoid wars. Not avoiding them is consenting to be shot. For many new players high sec wars are a controlled introduction to pvp and so wars are beneficial to the game. Not detrimental.
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Ynot Drarig
Drarig Mining and Exploration Corporation
0
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Posted - 2013.05.23 16:48:00 -
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Yes I agree with you in most part, I have no problem with Hi sec wars. The problem is they are to easy & cheap to declare and invariably the "Noob" in a T1 ship is up against a couple of Tier 3 Tenghu's, or the like, so they stay docked up...that is where I think it is detrimental. Detrimental inasmuch as too many players get frightened off and leave the game........never getting anywhere near Null!
I personally think Low Sec and Null has gotten so quiet and boring because no new blood (pun intended) is getting there, precisely because we are frightening them off too early! |
JAF Anders
Quantum Cats Syndicate Samurai Pizza Cats
105
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Posted - 2013.05.23 17:05:00 -
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Players should ditch corporations whose leadership won't facilitate their survival. |
Haulie Berry
757
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Posted - 2013.05.23 21:03:00 -
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Ynot Drarig wrote:Yes I agree with you in most part, I have no problem with Hi sec wars. The problem is they are to easy & cheap to declare...
No.
If anything, they're too easy and cheap to avoid.
Quote:Detrimental inasmuch as too many players get frightened off and leave the game........never getting anywhere near Null!
Sounds like Malcanis' Law. |
Ginger Barbarella
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
1326
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Posted - 2013.05.23 22:14:00 -
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Goram Kar wrote:Is anything being done about highsec war decs in the future? It seems silly that a seasoned pvp corp can pay a measley 50m and just go willy nilly and pop miners or people who have much less fighting capability. My corp has been under war for nearly the past month, each week with a different corp/alliance. Is anything being done to address this? If not, this is game is starting to get really frustrating really quickly.
There are basic rules to survive as a carbear in high sec: 1) Don't smack in local 2) Don't plant small towers near trade or mission hubs 3) Don't do ANYTHING near trade or mission hubs
If you've been under constant wardec by different corps for over a month you're clearly (and don't take this the wrong way) doing something wrong. Get out of trade and mission hubs; do your thing away from trade routes. 2 jumps away from Jita, Amarr, or Dodixie does NOT count as "getting out of a trade hub". "Blow it all on Quafe and strippers." --- Sorlac |
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