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Goram Kar
State War Academy Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.05.04 21:29:00 -
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Is anything being done about highsec war decs in the future? It seems silly that a seasoned pvp corp can pay a measley 50m and just go willy nilly and pop miners or people who have much less fighting capability. My corp has been under war for nearly the past month, each week with a different corp/alliance. Is anything being done to address this? If not, this is game is starting to get really frustrating really quickly. |
Salicaz
CTRL-Q Iron Oxide.
120
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Posted - 2013.05.04 21:37:00 -
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Goram Kar wrote:Is anything being done about highsec war decs in the future? It seems silly that a seasoned pvp corp can pay a measley 50m and just go willy nilly and pop miners or people who have much less fighting capability. My corp has been under war for nearly the past month, each week with a different corp/alliance. Is anything being done to address this? If not, this is game is starting to get really frustrating really quickly.
Leave corp, join npc corp (immune to wardec), If you like they guys in the wardecced corp just start a private channel.
Other than that, all get in T1 frigs and fight them, have fun, learn tactics and cry less about pvp in a pvp game |
Vimsy Vortis
Shoulda Checked Local Break-A-Wish Foundation
1265
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Posted - 2013.05.04 21:46:00 -
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You could, you know, try and do something about it and not whine on the forums. Over the last year and a half wars have been changed in such as way that the mechanic is hugely biased in favor of the defender. If you can't figure out how to not get horribly beaten by people when the game itself is biased in your favor then you're doing something wrong. |
Rengerel en Distel
Amarr Science and Industry
1394
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Posted - 2013.05.04 21:48:00 -
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ITT: NPC corp OP asks how to avoid wardecs.
With the increase in shiptoasting, the Report timer needs to be shortened.
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ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors Late Night Alliance
2383
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Posted - 2013.05.04 22:12:00 -
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Step 1: Get everyone in corp into cheap, artillery-fit, "suicide" Thrashers... Step 2: Meet the enemy in glorious combat... Step 3: Primary the most expensive and squishy thing in range of everyone... Step 4: Laugh as even though your enemy has killed everyone in your corp you have killed far more in ISK value.
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Step 1: Get everyone in Ewar ships (ECM and sensor dampeners preferably)... Step 2: Meet the enemy in glorious combat... Step 3: Apply ALL the Ewar on ALL of your enemies... Step 4: Laugh as they warp away/dock up and rage impotently in local.
No, really... despite the above smacking of troll and humor it is actually serious advice.
Also... a corp in EVE isn't like "guilds" in other games. It's not just a means to collect likeminded people who wish to pool their resources and be social. A corp opens up options in what players can do (ex. establish POSs, share equipment/resources, set up POCOs, etc) at the cost of being "fair game" to the rest of the game. In a sense... founding a corp is essentially declaring that you are, "ready to play with the big boys." Change isn't bad, but it isn't always good. Sometimes, the oldest and most simple of things can be the most elegant and effective. |
Goram Kar
State War Academy Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.05.04 22:19:00 -
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Vimsy Vortis wrote:You could, you know, try and do something about it and not whine on the forums. Over the last year and a half wars have been changed in such as way that the mechanic is hugely biased in favor of the defender. If you can't figure out how to not get horribly beaten by people when the game itself is biased in your favor then you're doing something wrong.
Oh we've tried. We formed a fleet with logi and some cruisers, only to be chased away by Bhaalghorns and a fleet of t3 and neutral reppers. Thing is, this has been going on for weeks on end now. It is hard to keep an alliance together if were ordered to just stay docked for that long....and its in the end hurting moral. Kind of doubt we can muster up enough guys to even try a fleet similar to that again. |
Goram Kar
State War Academy Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2013.05.04 22:26:00 -
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ShahFluffers wrote:Step 1: Get everyone in corp into cheap, artillery-fit, "suicide" Thrashers... Step 2: Meet the enemy in glorious combat... Step 3: Primary the most expensive and squishy thing in range of everyone... Step 4: Laugh as even though your enemy has killed everyone in your corp you have killed far more in ISK value.
OR
Step 1: Get everyone in Ewar ships (ECM and sensor dampeners preferably)... Step 2: Meet the enemy in glorious combat... Step 3: Apply ALL the Ewar on ALL of your enemies... Step 4: Laugh as they warp away/dock up and rage impotently in local.
No, really... despite the above smacking of troll and humor it is actually serious advice.
Also... a corp in EVE isn't like "guilds" in other games. It's not just a means to collect likeminded people who wish to pool their resources and be social. A corp opens up options in what players can do (ex. establish POSs, share equipment/resources, set up POCOs, etc) at the cost of being "fair game" to the rest of the game. In a sense... founding a corp is essentially declaring that you are, "ready to play with the big boys."
Thanks for the advice, I'll see if I can implement it. |
Vimsy Vortis
Shoulda Checked Local Break-A-Wish Foundation
1265
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Posted - 2013.05.04 22:28:00 -
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Congratulations, you're losing a war because you're weaker than the aggressor. That's seems pretty much how a war should go to me, I'm not seeing what the problem is.
This is normally the part where you try and negotiate a surrender. |
Haulie Berry
594
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Posted - 2013.05.04 22:49:00 -
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Goram Kar wrote:Is anything being done about highsec war decs in the future?
If you mean, "Is anything being done to keep you safe from the big bad meanieheads," then, no, probably not.
The fact that bigger corps can pick on yours is not a bug - it's a feature.
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Inxentas Ultramar
Ultramar Independent Contracting Home Front Coalition
437
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Posted - 2013.05.04 22:55:00 -
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Best advice is to rethink why you are getting wardecced all the time. Possibly your previous wars didn't end very well? You are giving away easy kills? As other posters have pointed out starting a corp is a way of shedding your wardec-immunity in exchance for more gameplay options, options that allow you to make more profit or operate more efficiently in PVP. The reality of the matter is that any corp should be ready for PVP, and they better enjoy it too!
If all you want to do is carebear and not fight, you could seek mercenaries to help you or look into an Alliance to support you. But nothing in EVE comes for free, mercs will want to see payment and Alliances need to replace combat ship replacements during war. It will be expected that you chip in and do your part in defending what is yours. The best long term solution is to get some people in the corp that actually enjoy PVP, and are willing to lose ships looking into ways to best annihilate the bad guys. Give these people some roles and permissions like a special POS hanger for T2 mods, make life easier for them and make PVP a fun occasion. |
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Cadicus Killraven
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2013.05.04 22:55:00 -
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I would have to say I agree with most replies here. Your corp is smaller, look into asymmetric warfare situations for inspiration, smaller groups can move about quicker and be more flexible. Plus the defender's side is biased in EVE, if you really wanted to then just drop your corp and reform it. Otherwise, there should be methods for reducing kills on your side, just look them up. Plus you can learn how to fight back, Brave Newbies Inc. became famous for teaching newbies into becoming a force to be reckoned with. |
Moonlit Raid
State War Academy Caldari State
93
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Posted - 2013.05.05 00:03:00 -
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Did you know?
A war dec used to be 2 million a week. Not [minimum] 50m.
Fight them, or just create a new corp, it's ~2 mil to create a new corp and you can do this much more quickly than they can dec you so you can burn them through hundreds of millions (if they're so inclined to keep dec'ing you).
The game has some pretty solid ways of dicking other people around if you really want to. |
goudaMob
Blacksteel Inquisition Forces
0
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Posted - 2013.05.05 00:30:00 -
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Hire mercs for your corp. If you're a corp in HighSec and don't do any PVP then you're probably an Industrial corp. Get some muscle on your side and keep them supplied. Let them fight the war for you while you continue whatever passive gameplay you're doing lol. |
Garviel Tarrant
Beyond Divinity Inc Shadow Cartel
802
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Posted - 2013.05.05 00:48:00 -
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Goram Kar wrote:Is anything being done about highsec war decs in the future? It seems silly that a seasoned pvp corp can pay a measley 50m and just go willy nilly and pop miners or people who have much less fighting capability. My corp has been under war for nearly the past month, each week with a different corp/alliance. Is anything being done to address this? If not, this is game is starting to get really frustrating really quickly.
Ok here i'll write you a comprehensive 3 step guide on how to really enjoy Eve
1. Realize that high sec sucks.
2. Leave high sec
3. Never EVER return.
Makes the game a LOT better. BYDI (Shadow cartel) Recruitment open!
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Bad Messenger
Nasranite Watch
466
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Posted - 2013.05.05 15:47:00 -
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Goram Kar wrote:Is anything being done about highsec war decs in the future? It seems silly that a seasoned pvp corp can pay a measley 50m and just go willy nilly and pop miners or people who have much less fighting capability. My corp has been under war for nearly the past month, each week with a different corp/alliance. Is anything being done to address this? If not, this is game is starting to get really frustrating really quickly.
this is just typical question when player has not managed to win game on way he wants to play this game.
You should change your play style 1st, at least eve has been running 10 years now and wardecs were even cheaper in the past and people still play this game so problem has to be on your way to play game. |
Auduin Samson
Do not disturb Sanctuary Pact
38
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Posted - 2013.05.06 02:28:00 -
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All things being equal, when facing a superior fighting force, conventional warfare will not end well for you. Fortunately, there are a myriad of ways to make things not be equal.
First and foremost, don't give them worthy kills. If they realize they can farm more than 50mil worth of loot or killmails (Sometimes that's all they're in for) from you per week they will not leave.
Second, not that the next steps are in any order, keep your cards close to the table. If you immediately throw everything you have at them, they will know what to expect. However, it is difficult to discern "Everything they have" from "Spare parts in their hangar" when fighting against an unknown hisec corp that is mostly industry pilots. This makes it easy to build them a false sense of security by throwing a few trash-fit frigates and cruisers at them early on to test the waters. If they think that's all you have, they will be more likely to let their guard down.
Third, if you can, find friends. This might seem like a cop-out, but this can turn the tables in any engagement. There exist many pilots in eve looking for fights, and many corporations that will gladly snatch an opportunity to go kill someone. Ally yourselves with such a group for the duration of the war. This also can help you get combat experience from combat pilots, which is very valuable if such a situation should ever arise again.
Fourth, deception can turn any engagement to your advantage. Lure them out with something like a Battle Iteron. Once again, it's much easier to make someone panic (and subsequently make very poor decisions) when they are sure of an outcome that not only does not happen, but begins to reverse itself very suddenly.
Remember, being wardecced doesn't have to end with you smashing your adversaries into the dirt. You just need to make it less than worth it for whoever you're fighting. You can take this as an opportunity to learn how to effectively fight in packs. Just because you're inexperienced doesn't mean you can't make a dent in their forces. If you loose ten of those frigates taking down one of their battlecruisers, you have dealt at least five times the financial damage to them that they dealt to you. It's also quite embarrassing to perceive yourself as the superior force then get your shiny ship ganked by a bunch of industry pilots in frigates. That alone might make them go away.
In the end, if you really can't manage to make any of this work, negotiate your surrender. This is, however, a last ditch effort, as there is no guarantee they won't wardec you as soon as they get their big payout, and if they blab to their friends that you're soft targets, you will soon have many others trying to shoot you down. Remember, Eve is closer to real life than to other MMOs. Nothing is ever fair, and sometimes life just ***** on you. Fly safe, fly sneaky, and if at all possible, never make it worth their while. |
Vimsy Vortis
Shoulda Checked Local Break-A-Wish Foundation
1266
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Posted - 2013.05.06 03:29:00 -
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My alliance is currently assisting an alliance in a war that until we joined as allies they we at 8 billion in losses with no kills in their favor. Some of them really wanted to fight back and had no idea how to and others didn't seem to want to do anything because they didn't think they'd be able to win. However after we blew up a bunch of faction battleships that the aggressors had been flying around unscouted because they had grown so complacent due to the passivity of the defender it became apparent to them that their aggressors were not invincible and that if they put in a real dedicated effort they would be able to both outnumber and outgun the aggressors.
So today when the aggressors put together a big old fleet and we weren't around to help out rather than not do a damned thing, our client put together their own big old fleet and engaged the aggressors, off-gird boosts and neutral logistics be damned. They killed a multi-billion isk Bhaalgorn, a Tempest Fleet issue and some regular battleship and all the lost was a couple of falcons.
When you're at war with a group of dedicated highsec griefers or mercenaries you're entirely likely to have either a numbers or average SP advantage if not both. If you're willing to really try and do something about it, and that includes seeking help when necessary, there's no reason you shouldn't come out the victor.
Heck if you're fighting BAW just go kill Tah'ris, he's always doing something dumb. |
Ynot Eyob
Nisroc Angels The Obsidian Front
319
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Posted - 2013.05.06 07:12:00 -
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You got mail :D Nisroc Angels Nisroc - Angel of Freedom Nisroc is known as "The Great Eagle".
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Oska Rus
Free Ice Cream People
13
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Posted - 2013.05.06 11:38:00 -
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Being in high-sec and in player corp just makes no sense in current game mechanics. Which is imho bad. But it would be silly to stay in a player corp when living in hi-sec. |
Ynot Eyob
Nisroc Angels The Obsidian Front
319
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Posted - 2013.05.06 12:36:00 -
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Oska Rus wrote:Being in high-sec and in player corp just makes no sense in current game mechanics. Which is imho bad. But it would be silly to stay in a player corp when living in hi-sec.
Sounds nonsens to me, why would you pay 11% tax to a NPC corp? Nisroc Angels Nisroc - Angel of Freedom Nisroc is known as "The Great Eagle".
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Vimsy Vortis
Shoulda Checked Local Break-A-Wish Foundation
1268
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Posted - 2013.05.06 16:06:00 -
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Oska Rus wrote:Being in high-sec and in player corp just makes no sense in current game mechanics. Which is imho bad. But it would be silly to stay in a player corp when living in hi-sec. I can't exactly declare war on people if I'm in an NPC corp. |
Haulie Berry
597
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Posted - 2013.05.06 16:22:00 -
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Oska Rus wrote:Being in high-sec and in player corp just makes no sense in current game mechanics if you are a complete *****.
Fixed that for you.
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Tsukino Stareine
EVE University Ivy League
135
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Posted - 2013.05.06 17:00:00 -
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Go to low sec or null, usually hi sec wardec griefers won't follow because there's risk to losing something. |
TheGunslinger42
All Web Investigations
1275
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Posted - 2013.05.07 09:42:00 -
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Goram Kar wrote:Is anything being done about highsec war decs in the future? It seems silly that a seasoned pvp corp can pay a measley 50m and just go willy nilly and pop miners or people who have much less fighting capability. My corp has been under war for nearly the past month, each week with a different corp/alliance. Is anything being done to address this? If not, this is game is starting to get really frustrating really quickly.
Measly 50m? I think 50m is a massive fee considering one of two things happens: 1) They dock and never come out to play 2) They all instantly drop corp and recreate it. This costs them what, 2mil or something?
CCP really need to fix number 2. Make it much more costly/difficult to drop/reform to avoid wars. If I remember correctly it used to be considered an exploit :/ |
StoneCold
Somali Coast Guard BootCamp
163
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Posted - 2013.05.07 10:24:00 -
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It could also happen that the target pretty much deserves the wars - lose mouth and out of place chestbeating. I had quite a few contracts because of this. For Hire Psychotic Monk for CSM |
Lucas Mauldin
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
0
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Posted - 2013.05.08 03:24:00 -
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I think every one should learn to PvP. And last I looked minners use drones and those are an offensive weapon. |
Plead
Spartan Advanced Mining
0
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Posted - 2013.05.08 07:17:00 -
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Garviel Tarrant wrote:Goram Kar wrote:Is anything being done about highsec war decs in the future? It seems silly that a seasoned pvp corp can pay a measley 50m and just go willy nilly and pop miners or people who have much less fighting capability. My corp has been under war for nearly the past month, each week with a different corp/alliance. Is anything being done to address this? If not, this is game is starting to get really frustrating really quickly. Ok here i'll write you a comprehensive 3 step guide on how to really enjoy Eve 1. Realize that high sec sucks. 2. Leave high sec 3. Never EVER return. Makes the game a LOT better.
This is sound advice as long as the people in your corp can fly something fairly useful like a well fit BC in addition to their mining and industry gear. |
Disastro
Wrecking Shots Black Legion.
70
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Posted - 2013.05.09 01:56:00 -
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Goram Kar wrote:Is anything being done about highsec war decs in the future? It seems silly that a seasoned pvp corp can pay a measley 50m and just go willy nilly and pop miners or people who have much less fighting capability. My corp has been under war for nearly the past month, each week with a different corp/alliance. Is anything being done to address this? If not, this is game is starting to get really frustrating really quickly.
Nothing needs to be done about it. It is not broken. This is a pvp game. Folks who dont want to pvp have options to avoid it. |
Infinity Ziona
Cloakers
1
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Posted - 2013.05.15 17:56:00 -
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Sex. Offer it. |
Tassian Marrix
Interstellar Steel Templis Dragonaors
2
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Posted - 2013.05.17 12:23:00 -
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Will anything be done about it? no
Should something be done about it? maybe
Will people keep screaming "this is a PVP game" ? yes
While the game is advertised as a sandbox it really isn't. You are forced to train for combat before you pursue other roles or you will be punished for it. You will just have to suffer with it or move to an NPC corp. |
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Kronos
Mine 'N' Refine The Unforgiven Alliance
6
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Posted - 2013.05.17 12:31:00 -
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I agree there is something wrong with the war mechanics for high sec. I dont mind the odd war dec lasting 1-2 weeks because some pirate player corp wants to, or that someone has done something to upset another corp I think its all fair and with in the game rights. But I have now had a high sec war running now for 1-2 months and they are not going to stop. If you look at the history they are war deccing everyone who enter Jita (includes on the list Goonswarm and Test Alliance).
Now this is causing a major strain on my Alliance I formed. It is killing and upsetting the way people want to play EVE. I know a few people who bearly log on now because they know they will be hunted and killed. I do not know a good way how this problem can be sloved, but maybe putting fee's higher to something silly say 1-2 Billion a week to war dec a high sec based alliance then only really serious players will war dec. Also we have the nice bounty system in place if there was a way to buy a bounty tag from concord so you could hunt one particular person for a fee.
I am currently running my alt character but this war has runined my game play along with members in my alliance, it has stopped me doing the things I love to do in EVE, its a shame that someone elses fun is runied because others want to take advantage of easy kills and others hard work. It should not be this easy for them. I know of may high sec industrial based corp/alliances that have been disbanded or have all split up because of this problem.
Please CCP if you say you read these forums and what us players say, take note and try and help this problem. |
Cannibal Kane
Somali Coast Guard Authority
1759
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Posted - 2013.05.17 13:29:00 -
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Kronos wrote:I agree there is something wrong with the war mechanics for high sec. I dont mind the odd war dec lasting 1-2 weeks because some pirate player corp wants to, or that someone has done something to upset another corp I think its all fair and with in the game rights. But I have now had a high sec war running now for 1-2 months and they are not going to stop. If you look at the history they are war deccing everyone who enter Jita (includes on the list Goonswarm and Test Alliance).
Now this is causing a major strain on my Alliance I formed. It is killing and upsetting the way people want to play EVE. I know a few people who bearly log on now because they know they will be hunted and killed. I do not know a good way how this problem can be sloved, but maybe putting fee's higher to something silly say 1-2 Billion a week to war dec a high sec based alliance then only really serious players will war dec. Also we have the nice bounty system in place if there was a way to buy a bounty tag from concord so you could hunt one particular person for a fee.
I am currently running my alt character but this war has runined my game play along with members in my alliance, it has stopped me doing the things I love to do in EVE, its a shame that someone elses fun is runied because others want to take advantage of easy kills and others hard work. It should not be this easy for them. I know of may high sec industrial based corp/alliances that have been disbanded or have all split up because of this problem.
Please CCP if you say you read these forums and what us players say, take note and try and help this problem.
Oh hey look...
Future targets.
Seriously pay 1-2 bill to dec a highsec alliance.
"I saw him fight by the monument in Jita. -áHe flowed in his Machariel like a Shinto spirit, 800MM shells sprouting in his passing. -áHis hair flowed in the corona of his target's warp core breach. -áIt was truly majestic. -áAnd while everyone stared in awe I stole the loot and ran off.-áBecause I am like that." --áNEONOVUS |
Dyphorus
Volition Cult The Volition Cult
20
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Posted - 2013.05.19 05:22:00 -
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Goram Kar wrote:Vimsy Vortis wrote:You could, you know, try and do something about it and not whine on the forums. Over the last year and a half wars have been changed in such as way that the mechanic is hugely biased in favor of the defender. If you can't figure out how to not get horribly beaten by people when the game itself is biased in your favor then you're doing something wrong. Oh we've tried. We formed a fleet with logi and some cruisers, only to be chased away by Bhaalghorns and a fleet of t3 and neutral reppers. Thing is, this has been going on for weeks on end now. It is hard to keep an alliance together if were ordered to just stay docked for that long....and its in the end hurting moral. Kind of doubt we can muster up enough guys to even try a fleet similar to that again.
If you have an alliance, not just a corp, that can't handle a few little war decs, you might start looking for a new group. It's really not hard to survive, and even maintain functionality during a war dec.
Tips - WATCH LOCAL. You have an mechanism that gives you perfect intel. WTs cannot be in system without you knowing it. Every mining ship you alliance looses is the explicit fault of the pilot not bothering to open his eyes and pay attention to what's going on in system.
- Don't be where they expect you to be.
- Alt haulers. It takes no time at all to train a logistics alt that you can leave in an NPC corp for when you have to move things around.
- Communicate. If your alliance were worth a damn they'd have intel channels to keep track or WTs, which can give you additional warning beyond that you get from WATCHING LOCAL.
- Don't feed them, they won't dec you again. Every ship lost to a war dec, that wasn't in an engagement of the defenders choosing is a mistake, period. Dead miner, wasn't smart enough to WATCH LOCAL. Dead missioner, wasn't smart enough to WATCH LOCAL. Dead hauler, wasn't smart enough to pause training for a couple of days to get an alt hauler up and running.
It is not that hard to survive in a state of war. Everyone of us that lives in nul sec survive everything you are dealing with and more (bubbles, hot-drops, bombs, etc....) every day. Use your head, work with your allies, don't be easy targets. |
Infinity Ziona
Cloakers
4
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Posted - 2013.05.19 10:44:00 -
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I used to play world or warcraft 1 - id make a bunch of peons and send them out to mine n chop wood. If I didnt also make a barracks and some military units the other guy would come in and kill all my peons. You're doing exactly the same thing in EvE. Recruit some pvp guys for your corp defence - practice some basic small ship pvp tactics. |
Garviel Tarrant
Beyond Divinity Inc Shadow Cartel
872
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Posted - 2013.05.19 17:02:00 -
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Infinity Ziona wrote:I used to play world or warcraft 1 - id make a bunch of peons and send them out to mine n chop wood. If I didnt also make a barracks and some military units the other guy would come in and kill all my peons. You're doing exactly the same thing in EvE. Recruit some pvp guys for your corp defence - practice some basic small ship pvp tactics.
Did you SERIOUSLY just call Warcraft 1, World of Warcraft one?
I hate everything. BYDI (Shadow cartel) Recruitment open!
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IbanezLaney
The Church of Awesome Caldari State Capturing
377
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Posted - 2013.05.20 01:03:00 -
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I recommend everyone in eve just going flashy red and then the wardec system will be unneeded.
Fix this **** See Sea Pea. |
JackknifedII
The Canaries The Explicit Alliance
28
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Posted - 2013.05.21 11:09:00 -
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High sec wars only exist because they generally mean easy kills for the aggressors. So don't give them any easy kills. If you know the trade hubs are camped, don't use the trade hubs. If you must use them, make some insta-warp undocking bookmarks (gave me easy access to jita and amarr when I needed more ammo and some nasty Germans were camping the undocks).
I don't know how many active members you have, but form up and fight back if you want. You don't have to use anything expensive. A rotating ball of caracals or destroyers can be alot of fun.
Dreams are transitory in nature, and therefore wasted on the living... Minmatar....we are generally unpleasant to be around....
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Infinity Ziona
Cloakers
10
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Posted - 2013.05.21 12:36:00 -
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Garviel Tarrant wrote:Infinity Ziona wrote:I used to play world or warcraft 1 - id make a bunch of peons and send them out to mine n chop wood. If I didnt also make a barracks and some military units the other guy would come in and kill all my peons. You're doing exactly the same thing in EvE. Recruit some pvp guys for your corp defence - practice some basic small ship pvp tactics. Did you SERIOUSLY just call Warcraft 1, World of Warcraft one? I hate everything. Yes. Yes I did. Lol. |
Edwin McAlister
Interstellar Engineering and Electronics INC
0
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Posted - 2013.05.21 14:27:00 -
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my problem is not the war-dec itself....
however, I do have a problem with the 3rd party, neutral corp, full of logi's that jump in and help out the aggressor's that started the war, |
Antillie Sa'Kan
Forging Industries Silent Infinity
34
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Posted - 2013.05.21 14:44:00 -
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Wouldn't it be cool if you also had a bunch of out of corp alts that could fly logi ships? Or even out of corp haulers/freighters so they could go to the trade hubs for you?
Or just move to low/null where neutral reppers are easily dealt with. I seriously doubt they will take those shiny faction BSs out of hi sec. But such is the nature of hi sec pvp. |
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Antillie Sa'Kan
Forging Industries Silent Infinity
34
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Posted - 2013.05.21 14:48:00 -
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Infinity Ziona wrote:Sex. Offer it. From the sounds of the whining I think the aggressors are already getting plenty of this from their targets. |
Ynot Drarig
Drarig Mining and Exploration Corporation
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Posted - 2013.05.23 13:05:00 -
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From what I have seen with the War Dec game mechanics, it is invariably High SP, Null Sec veterans, who set up Corp's in high sec for their Alt's. They then go around war deccing and shooting up relative noobs in their Tier 3 ships! Perhaps they are bored in Null Sec and/or looking for easy kills?
Not sure this kind of gameplay helps the "Sandbox" as it seems to discourage a lot of new players, who leave the game. Yes we could encourage the new players to stay in NPC Corps, but this removes some of the fun options?
Not sure of the answer, but it seems to me that we need to let the new players learn and become confident then encourage them to move out into low/null. Which they will, if null was easier to get into and more rewarding for the individual risk taker, rather than the big alliance.
As for the High Sec war deccers....make them pay 1.0Billion a day |
Aln 'Al-Talib' Hasin
Mentally Assured Destruction Whores in space
0
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Posted - 2013.05.23 14:42:00 -
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Kronos wrote:I agree there is something wrong with the war mechanics for high sec. I dont mind the odd war dec lasting 1-2 weeks because some pirate player corp wants to, or that someone has done something to upset another corp I think its all fair and with in the game rights. But I have now had a high sec war running now for 1-2 months and they are not going to stop. If you look at the history they are war deccing everyone who enter Jita (includes on the list Goonswarm and Test Alliance).
Now this is causing a major strain on my Alliance I formed. It is killing and upsetting the way people want to play EVE. I know a few people who bearly log on now because they know they will be hunted and killed. I do not know a good way how this problem can be sloved, but maybe putting fee's higher to something silly say 1-2 Billion a week to war dec a high sec based alliance then only really serious players will war dec. Also we have the nice bounty system in place if there was a way to buy a bounty tag from concord so you could hunt one particular person for a fee.
I am currently running my alt character but this war has runined my game play along with members in my alliance, it has stopped me doing the things I love to do in EVE, its a shame that someone elses fun is runied because others want to take advantage of easy kills and others hard work. It should not be this easy for them. I know of may high sec industrial based corp/alliances that have been disbanded or have all split up because of this problem.
Please CCP if you say you read these forums and what us players say, take note and try and help this problem.
I'd advise you stop lamenting over 'how the game should be' and begin finding solutions to the current reality that 'might makes right.' In EvE's current form, anyone who establishes an organization without regard or consideration on how to protect it will inevitably see it laid to waste. It is natural selection. There are many, many ways to combat aggressors as many have posted here. CCP may or may not create your risk-free industrial paradise one day, but it sure as hell doesn't exist now. Learn to adapt or fall into obscurity. http://economyofforce.blogspot.com/ |
Infinity Ziona
Cloakers
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Posted - 2013.05.23 15:29:00 -
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Ynot Drarig wrote:From what I have seen with the War Dec game mechanics, it is invariably High SP, Null Sec veterans, who set up Corp's in high sec for their Alt's. They then go around war deccing and shooting up relative noobs in their Tier 3 ships! Perhaps they are bored in Null Sec and/or looking for easy kills?
Not sure this kind of gameplay helps the "Sandbox" as it seems to discourage a lot of new players, who leave the game. Yes we could encourage the new players to stay in NPC Corps, but this removes some of the fun options?
Not sure of the answer, but it seems to me that we need to let the new players learn and become confident then encourage them to move out into low/null. Which they will, if null was easier to get into and more rewarding for the individual risk taker, rather than the big alliance.
As for the High Sec war deccers....make them pay 1.0Billion a day You have to remember that all high sec wars are consentual pvp. There are options to avoid wars. Not avoiding them is consenting to be shot. For many new players high sec wars are a controlled introduction to pvp and so wars are beneficial to the game. Not detrimental. |
Ynot Drarig
Drarig Mining and Exploration Corporation
0
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Posted - 2013.05.23 16:40:00 -
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Infinity Ziona wrote:Ynot Drarig wrote:From what I have seen with the War Dec game mechanics, it is invariably High SP, Null Sec veterans, who set up Corp's in high sec for their Alt's. They then go around war deccing and shooting up relative noobs in their Tier 3 ships! Perhaps they are bored in Null Sec and/or looking for easy kills?
Not sure this kind of gameplay helps the "Sandbox" as it seems to discourage a lot of new players, who leave the game. Yes we could encourage the new players to stay in NPC Corps, but this removes some of the fun options?
Not sure of the answer, but it seems to me that we need to let the new players learn and become confident then encourage them to move out into low/null. Which they will, if null was easier to get into and more rewarding for the individual risk taker, rather than the big alliance.
As for the High Sec war deccers....make them pay 1.0Billion a day You have to remember that all high sec wars are consentual pvp. There are options to avoid wars. Not avoiding them is consenting to be shot. For many new players high sec wars are a controlled introduction to pvp and so wars are beneficial to the game. Not detrimental.
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Ynot Drarig
Drarig Mining and Exploration Corporation
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Posted - 2013.05.23 16:48:00 -
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Yes I agree with you in most part, I have no problem with Hi sec wars. The problem is they are to easy & cheap to declare and invariably the "Noob" in a T1 ship is up against a couple of Tier 3 Tenghu's, or the like, so they stay docked up...that is where I think it is detrimental. Detrimental inasmuch as too many players get frightened off and leave the game........never getting anywhere near Null!
I personally think Low Sec and Null has gotten so quiet and boring because no new blood (pun intended) is getting there, precisely because we are frightening them off too early! |
JAF Anders
Quantum Cats Syndicate Samurai Pizza Cats
105
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Posted - 2013.05.23 17:05:00 -
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Players should ditch corporations whose leadership won't facilitate their survival. |
Haulie Berry
757
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Posted - 2013.05.23 21:03:00 -
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Ynot Drarig wrote:Yes I agree with you in most part, I have no problem with Hi sec wars. The problem is they are to easy & cheap to declare...
No.
If anything, they're too easy and cheap to avoid.
Quote:Detrimental inasmuch as too many players get frightened off and leave the game........never getting anywhere near Null!
Sounds like Malcanis' Law. |
Ginger Barbarella
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
1326
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Posted - 2013.05.23 22:14:00 -
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Goram Kar wrote:Is anything being done about highsec war decs in the future? It seems silly that a seasoned pvp corp can pay a measley 50m and just go willy nilly and pop miners or people who have much less fighting capability. My corp has been under war for nearly the past month, each week with a different corp/alliance. Is anything being done to address this? If not, this is game is starting to get really frustrating really quickly.
There are basic rules to survive as a carbear in high sec: 1) Don't smack in local 2) Don't plant small towers near trade or mission hubs 3) Don't do ANYTHING near trade or mission hubs
If you've been under constant wardec by different corps for over a month you're clearly (and don't take this the wrong way) doing something wrong. Get out of trade and mission hubs; do your thing away from trade routes. 2 jumps away from Jita, Amarr, or Dodixie does NOT count as "getting out of a trade hub". "Blow it all on Quafe and strippers." --- Sorlac |
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