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Taedrin
Kushan Industrial
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Posted - 2011.10.20 19:40:00 -
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ADDENDUM:
<100 million ISK: New players, or lazy players who hate to "grind". Compulsive PvPers/pirates who don't have a carebearing alt to fund their addiction. They fly "pay-check to pay-check".
100 million - 1 billion ISK: The rank-and-file of 0.0 alliances or a carebear who has only been playing for a few months. Generally has an emergency level 4 mission running battleship in empire that they can always fall back on. Alternates between carebearing and PvP.
1 billion - 100 billion ISK: Veteran carebears, casual traders/industrialist, market aware PvPer. Veteran carebears in this category are stuck here. They are risk averse and compulsive savers. Because they generally run missions, they will probably never cross the 100 billion ISK barrier. Casual traders/industrialists stay in this category simply because they do not want to work hard. Successful traders/industrialists will inevitably pass this category.
100 billion - 1 trillion ISK: Traders, industrial tycoons( and small alliance leaders?). Players in this category didn't earn this much money on their own merit. Instead they profit off of the laziness and foolishness of others. Traders and industrial tycoons in this category have "done their homework". However, only the most successful traders and industrialists will surpass this level, as it becomes difficult to efficiently invest this much ISK.
1+ trillion ISK: Veteran trader/industrial tycoons. Players in this category have enjoyed success in their market/industrial activities for many years. Has managed to avoid money to investment scams, and has found market activities which scale well with their income. A few ultra-successful scammers may also be in this category, but most scammers won't be able to maintain this much money unless they are/become market savvy. You also might include large alliances (perhaps their leaders if they are corrupt) in this category thanks to owning many tech moons - though I imagine that a fair bit of moon goo ISK is pumped back into the alliance membership via ship replacement programs. |
Stonecold Steve
I N E X T R E M I S
Fidelas Constans
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Posted - 2011.10.21 09:37:00 -
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i find anyone that has a higher financial profile then myself an rich person. im aroudn 250m liquid and around 5bil on materials (im a materialist )
Well, if crime fighters fight crime and fire fighters fight fire, what do freedom fighters fight? They never mention that part to us, do they? |
Kara Books
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2011.10.21 12:52:00 -
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with 40-50 billion you can do everything except afford supercap after supercap, but since I don't like supercaps, 40-50 is my stab at it. |
Bad Bobby
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2011.10.21 14:26:00 -
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Terra Volta wrote:Out of curiosity, if a player were to make isk without the use of any exploits (botting), how much isk would you consider to be very rich?
I'd say:
1T+ is very rich
100B+ is rich
10B+ is well off
Loney wrote:richer then most alliances.
I don't think it's that hard to be richer than most alliances if you are only considering the assets owned by the alliance itself as opposed to the aggregated assets of all alliance members.
I am richer than both of my alliances in the first case. But I doubt I account for even 2% of Pandemic Legion's aggregate wealth and I would guestimate that I account for maybe 10% of HYDRA RELOADED's aggregate wealth (with Garmon accounting for maybe 50%). |
Loney
CyberDyne R-D
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Posted - 2011.10.22 03:40:00 -
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Bad Bobby wrote:Loney wrote:richer then most alliances. I don't think it's that hard to be richer than most alliances if you are only considering the assets owned by the alliance itself as opposed to the aggregated assets of all alliance members. I am richer than both of my alliances in the first case. But I doubt I account for even 2% of Pandemic Legion's aggregate wealth and I would guestimate that I account for maybe 10% of HYDRA RELOADED's aggregate wealth (with Garmon accounting for maybe 50%).
Yes, I was refering to the assets/reserves themselves and not the aggerate members wealth... Not sure about Pandemic Legions or Hydra Reloadeds assets but the several alliances i am aware of have about 2-3 trillion isk in reserves with about another trillion in equipment. But i would assume only the top 5-10 alliances would have anything like that. |
Endovior
Brothers At Arms
Intrepid Crossing
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Posted - 2011.10.22 03:54:00 -
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Taedrin wrote:<100 million ISK: Lower class (Can really only afford to regularly fly T1 ships)
100 million - 1 billion ISK: Upper lower class (Can afford to regularly fly T2 ships)
1 billion - 100 billion ISK: Middle class (Can afford to regularly fly capitals)
100 billion - 1 trillion ISK: Upper class (Can afford to regularly fly super caps)
1+ trillion ISK: The "elite" (You actually have to work hard at losing this much ISK legitimately)
Hmm. By that standard, I'm middle class; I don't ever have a billion ISK liquid, since I'm constantly reinvesting, but at any given time I've got a net worth nicely exceeding a billion. Heck, I don't like to logoff with over 100 mil in-wallet... after all, if my ISK isn't working for me, it's just sitting there collecting dust. |
Barakach
R-ISK
EVE Trade Consortium
0
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Posted - 2011.10.22 21:03:00 -
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Endovior wrote:Taedrin wrote:<100 million ISK: Lower class (Can really only afford to regularly fly T1 ships)
100 million - 1 billion ISK: Upper lower class (Can afford to regularly fly T2 ships)
1 billion - 100 billion ISK: Middle class (Can afford to regularly fly capitals)
100 billion - 1 trillion ISK: Upper class (Can afford to regularly fly super caps)
1+ trillion ISK: The "elite" (You actually have to work hard at losing this much ISK legitimately) Hmm. By that standard, I'm middle class; I don't ever have a billion ISK liquid, since I'm constantly reinvesting, but at any given time I've got a net worth nicely exceeding a billion. Heck, I don't like to logoff with over 100 mil in-wallet... after all, if my ISK isn't working for me, it's just sitting there collecting dust.
I'm middle class to. Except I do log off with around 800mil in my wallet, but I turn over between 400mil and 1.2bil per day(typically around 700mil), so I need a buffer. |
Scrapyard Bob
EVE University
Ivy League
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Posted - 2011.10.23 06:29:00 -
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Endovior wrote:
Hmm. By that standard, I'm middle class; I don't ever have a billion ISK liquid, since I'm constantly reinvesting, but at any given time I've got a net worth nicely exceeding a billion. Heck, I don't like to logoff with over 100 mil in-wallet... after all, if my ISK isn't working for me, it's just sitting there collecting dust.
The infamous "lots of assets, but not a lot of ISK". I too suffer from that disease.
Heck, one of the reasons I prefer to fly T2 hulls is because I don't have to re-insure them every 3 months (too many shinies in the hangar that I only fly once in a blue moon).
1-100B is a pretty big range though. There's a definite difference between someone in the 1B-10B category and someone in the 10-100B category. The first still thinks battleships are expensive, the latter range regularly flies the larger T2 ships and doesn't really care much about stuff worth less then a few million ISK.
Once you get past 10B ISK in hi-sec, giving away a few million here or there to the younger pilots doesn't hurt the wallet much. |
Florestan Bronstein
The Waterworks
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Posted - 2011.10.23 07:36:00 -
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Scrapyard Bob wrote:The infamous "lots of assets, but not a lot of ISK". I too suffer from that disease.
Also related is the "I bought a character, am I poor now?" disease followed by the "I trained for eleventeen years, I am rich!" illusion. |
Companion Qube
Positive Cashflow through Positive Thinking
SRS.
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Posted - 2011.10.23 07:48:00 -
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Scrapyard Bob wrote:
1-100B is a pretty big range though. There's a definite difference between someone in the 1B-10B category and someone in the 10-100B category. The first still thinks battleships are expensive, the latter range regularly flies the larger T2 ships and doesn't really care much about stuff worth less then a few million ISK.
Once you get past 10B ISK in hi-sec, giving away a few million here or there to the younger pilots doesn't hurt the wallet much.
It's kind of true, I had a much harder time going from 10m to 10b than I did going from 10b to 100b. I think I spent most of my eve time from 10b to 100b completely drunk, before that I had to think a bit. |
Mantra Achura
Community for Justice
BricK sQuAD.
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Posted - 2011.10.23 13:02:00 -
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Companion Qube wrote:
It's kind of true, I had a much harder time going from 10m to 10b than I did going from 10b to 100b. I think I spent most of my eve time from 10b to 100b completely drunk, before that I had to think a bit.
For me it has been quite the opposite. Going from 10m to 10b isn't that hard. The earnings you can make with active trading, production, etc. is limited. Production slots, number of orders, the market itsself, ... everything is limited.
Even with simple fast trading on station you can make high profits percentage wise if your investments are low. But the more money you have the more money you have to invest and the lower the oportunities you have to make more out of your money.
I'm currently at the 400 bill mark NAV-wise and I don't know where to invest anymore, that's fact! The best oportunity to make more money is speculation and let the market work for you over time. |
Jenny Tailia
Conquistador.
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Posted - 2011.11.03 00:51:00 -
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How about this -
100 million ISK (or less): Serf
100 million - 1 billion ISK: Prole
1 billion GÇô 10 billion ISK : Comfortable
11 billion -100 billion ISK: Well Off
100 billion - 1 trillion ISK: Rich
1 trillion GÇô 5 trillion ISK : Super Rich
5 trillion and over : Oligarch
Personally on my scale I fall into the 'comfortable' category. |
Nimrod Nemesis
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2011.11.03 02:07:00 -
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Taedrin wrote:
1 billion - 100 billion ISK: Veteran carebears, casual traders/industrialist, market aware PvPer. Veteran carebears in this category are stuck here. They are risk averse and compulsive savers. Because they generally run missions, they will probably never cross the 100 billion ISK barrier. Casual traders/industrialists stay in this category simply because they do not want to work hard. Successful traders/industrialists will inevitably pass this category.
100 billion - 1 trillion ISK: Traders, industrial tycoons( and small alliance leaders?). Players in this category didn't earn this much money on their own merit. Instead they profit off of the laziness and foolishness of others. Traders and industrial tycoons in this category have "done their homework". However, only the most successful traders and industrialists will surpass this level, as it becomes difficult to efficiently invest this much ISK.
Good bit of truth there. I fell from Profiteer to "market aware PvPer," some time over the last year and it's been way too much :effort: for me to rebound. I simply CBA to monitor investments at this point so i'm slowly eroding my wealth into paycheck-pvp'er. |
JitaJane
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
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Posted - 2011.11.03 06:06:00 -
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moar. |
Zendon Taredi
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2011.11.03 13:12:00 -
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10m euro would be enough for me. 157 trillion isk or so. |
Chevalleis
The Legendary Conquest
THE D0MINION
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Posted - 2011.11.03 13:15:00 -
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There is not enough ISK in EvE Online. |
Cyniac
Twilight Star Rangers
Black Thorne Alliance
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Posted - 2011.11.03 14:42:00 -
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One trillion ISK.
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Personal Banker
Universal Eve Lending Corp
0
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Posted - 2011.11.03 15:28:00 -
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Even though I am new to eve it is kinda like real life, 10-15 years ago everyone thought 1m dollars for retirement was a perfect amount, well now in 2011 1m saved for retirement will only equal out to around 40,000 a year (avg person living 25 years post retirement, 1m/25=40k). Same with eve to me 10m isk was alot now I have close to 1b it doesn't seem like enough, and I hate when it drops below it.
I would say it has to depend on what you are doing in eve, if you are a titan/carrier pilot you need billions to cover any losses and to start with initially so I would guess around 100b-250b, but if you are more industry i would say 25b-75b depending on operations.
-Chris |
Tasko Pal
Spallated Garniferous Schist
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Posted - 2011.11.03 15:52:00 -
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For me, the more interesting question is how is the perception changing? As a number of people have mentioned, a billion in wealth used to be a lot more exclusive than it currently is. It sounds like, with the current isk sources in the game, that we'll see our view of what is wealthy continue to climb, even if that wealth still buys most of what it does today (such as capital ships, t1 stuff, and faction).
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Wahad Bredkebir
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2011.11.03 17:30:00 -
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lol it took me a month to make my first million and i felt very rich that day ! ok it was back in 2003 |
Barakach
R-ISK
EVE Trade Consortium
0
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Posted - 2011.11.03 17:37:00 -
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Show me a bell curve of the ISK value per person and I will point to the top 10%. |
Singeabooty Raj
Marcabian 5th Invasion Fleet
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Posted - 2011.11.03 18:16:00 -
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Having enough isk to crush the aspiring dreams of other players when one choses.
Black Man with Goggles |
Dinsdale Pirannha
Pirannha Corp
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Posted - 2011.11.03 21:34:00 -
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About a month ago I asked in a separate thread how much ISK was sitting in all the wallets combined in the game. I was ignoring all hard assets.
CCP responded that as of 4th quarter QEN, there was 445 trillion in all the wallets combined.
That number is now a year out of date.
Based on my own gut feeling looking at various faction items (I consider them the equivalent as gold as a hedge against inflation/increased money supply), I would hazard a guess that the money supply in the game is pushing 500 trillion now.
CCP has about 380,000 subs I believe, give or take 10,000.
So every account on TQ is around 1.3 billion in ISK.
Now, that number is kind of wrong based on how much ISK is sitting in corporate wallets, but that corporate money can still be added to the pot to calculate net wallet ISK/account.
Based on that, 100 times average wallet ISK puts you at about 130 billion to be considered wallet rich.
I have a long, long way to go. |
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