What we simply see here: F.... pvp in fw.
Grab a stabbed cloaky ship, plex the opponent to hell, do missions and earn billions.
PVP and fw...LOLZ.

Here were the top 20 vp gainers for 5/5/13


Rocko Tsero" victoryPoints="700"
Tophination" victoryPoints="660"
teric melhaff" victoryPoints="580"
Asgrow" victoryPoints="560" />
Zajic Zajicova" victoryPoints="500" />
Leloo Dallas Multipass" victoryPoints="480" />
Green Menace" victoryPoints="460" />
Philippo Cobb" victoryPoints="440" />
Scripet" victoryPoints="440" />
Phelia Star" victoryPoints="440" />
Uczun Pucator" victoryPoints="440" />
Jessica Reiss" victoryPoints="420" />
Salicaz" victoryPoints="420" />
Victor Tequila" victoryPoints="420" />
Druss1979" victoryPoints="400" />
Meta Spectre" victoryPoints="400" />
Jrkan Yarik" victoryPoints="400" />
Elder Kestrel" victoryPoints="380" />
abzde" victoryPoints="380" />
Markiel" victoryPoints="360" />
Zandithious" victoryPoints="360" />

Fortress Sahtogas That is all.

The Sahtogas crowd doesnt spam militia chat for help and do nothing to defend their system like the Kamela crowd. Nor does it allow plexing in system with 20+ amarr in system either. Take note those who live in kamela.

The below video captures the glory. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kZsHwOrmq9A

Wait, what? I would probaby have to do 15 carrier trips on 2 accounts and several jf runs to move out of my home system. THAT would be a waste of time. And mostly i wait until a wt tries to run an offensive plex, so i get some pvp before i run the timer.

Why don't you ever look at the killboards of the top vp gainers? They are the ones having the biggest impact of faction war sov.

The players who earn the most vp per day have the biggest impact on faction war sov for that day. And yet, yes, you do ignore their killboards. Why is that?

It's pretty clear that defensive plexing a home system is a waste of time that could otherwise be spent pvping.

It's pretty clear that defensive plexing a home system is a waste of time that could otherwise be spent plexing with my minnie alt.

Good questions.

Evekill and battleclinic says he got 29 kills in april and 15 kills in march. But I am assuming there must be an api issue since he does not appear to have pvped at all most of the those months.

It's pretty clear that defensive plexing a home system is a waste of time that could otherwise be spent pvping.

The op is not talking about pvp. He is talking about fw sovereignty and plexing. I don't see the top killers on that killboard making it as a top vp gainer for the days they get those kills.

=Cearain
And it wasn't me telling them how to play Stalking mantis was the one who started attacking the amarr milita who based out of kamela and the amarr militia generally as to "why amarr are at t1."

I just explained that other players in amarr are more interested in pvp than dplexing the mess minmatar farmers made while they slept.

It's pretty clear that defensive plexing a home system is a waste of time that could otherwise be spent pvping.

That depends on how you define success. Month in and month out they don't get as much pvp as the corps that base outside of fw space.

So you made that 900k lp from running defensive plexes that a wartarget already started running? LOL. So what is that about 40 hours a month? I think people who know what defensive plexing a system yoru enemey can not even dock in know how boring that is.

As far as the time spent moving that is correct. Thats why many pvpers move to a system they can't be kicked out of and why the station lockouts were such a pia for amarr.

Gallente have the upper hand now and given the fact that there are economic incentives for players to join the winning side I don't see that changing fast.

But its interesting how much your view changed now that you guys have the upper hand from when you didn't and you were complaining about having to constantly dplex to dock.

But I admit I am still interested on how you will feel if the tides change and you have to pack up those 15 carriers full of stuff.

As I occassionally do, I checked to see who the top daily plexers are and then check their killboards. Fweddit is starting to take the top spots. I am not sure why, but as people here are saying there seems to be some decision on their part to get alts plexing. A few said it was to prove that rabbit plexing is the best way to gain sov under these mechanics. Basically to prove fw sov is broken. I think its amazing some people still need this proof but reading the forums its clear some do. The top vp gainers for a day still usually have no kills that day.

I am finding a few fweddit guys who get some kills though. As many as 6 for the day but usually less. They usually have several others on the killmail with them. Is the amount of vp divided when a group takes a plex, or does everyone get credited with the full vp? I am assuming it is the former, and the top plexers join a fleet either before or after they get their rabbit plexing done.

Okay back to topic then.
I don-¦t think it is a pendulum. I think what we will see is a big fw breakdown after CCP has f... it up completely.
Some weks ago I was in cal/gal fw and it was completely dead. Flying around 4h to get 3 fights. Couple of weeks later I have placed my alt in there and I am astonished: It is even more dead now. I have left my suicide toon 6h afk in cal/gal fw lowsec and didn-¦t get killed. LOL.
Amarr/min is going to be dead too. Never had so little activity in that warzone.
Minnies are completely broken. But why? Well after seeing more and more newbie farming locusts and russian language in militia chat after we arrived at T3 I think I know why.
The good old pvp guys in min mili were angry to see only russian language and lp locusts in militia channel. They couldn-¦t identify with it any more and thought "oh my god what has become of this militia". Plus seeing that their pvping was worthless while the rusmatar horde farmed everything down in stabbed cloaky stuff making billions of isk.
People who want pvp see that the system of fw is completely broken and leave. Even the main fcs of the minnis left.
I don-¦t think it was Sahtogas that broke the minnies. Their own farming horde broke them.
The result is now that cal/gal is dead like hell and amarr/min is going to end that way too.
In earlier times you undocked in Kam and had 5mins later a fight. Now you roam around and are happy having a kill within 3h.
Farming horde is killing fw.
Just waiting when the farming horde will arrive in amarr militia. Actualy they haven-¦t but it is only a question "when" and not "if".

Just looking through the api data I see a good pvper Zarnak Wulf was 27th as far as most vp gained yesterday (380 vp). Looks like only three kills that day though 5/13/13. Still better than my 3 losses and no kills for yesterday.

I make my isk off of FW LP. At moments where we hit tier 3 I will put in a day or two to take advantage of it.

Your petulant comment would make sense if Zarnak said "At moments where we hit tier 1 I will put in a day or two to take advantage of it." But he didn't say that. So your post makes little sense.

Zarnak is neither a farmer or a rabbit but it should be revealing that he explained his recent top spot on the vp list by saying he did it for the isk. Its pretty clear to most, you wouldn't do that for the pvp.

Zarnak did not say the bolded part. You are the one who started in with funding a quality pvp existence (whatever that means) at tier 1. He said he takes advantage of it when they are at a higher tier.

I'm still not sure what connection your comments had with his post.

I can pay for frigs and dessys and a few cruisers with T1 lp. Normally Im fine kicking minmatar butt in a slicer or thrasher but every now and then I want to fly something more grown up. I spend my time in eve doing FW things, should that mean Im resigned to flying t1 frigs? Is that what FW is supposed to be now?

T1 is ********. T5 is stupid. FW missions are the most messed up thing in eve at the moment.

Change your emo all caps "AND" to an "or" and I think I would agree. But sadly if you are really trying to gain as much sov as you can for your militia you won't get much pvp. That is what the data demonstrates.

When we started pressing systems our pvp dropped substantially.

Change your emo all caps "AND" to an "or" and I think I would agree.

Since you claim plexing is a pvp mechanic you would think that the time of gallentes plexing push November and December would show higher kills for gallente than the January and February (when the plexing push ended).

But the November and December killboards are lower than the January and February killboards for the gallente corps I checked. For example, 2900 kills for qcats in november and december versus 5200 for january and february. Your corp 2700 for november and december and 4000 for january and february.

They sacrificed pvp in order to orbit buttons. Once the push was over they could get back to pvping as normal.

Yes your corp got some kills. I wasn't claiming they got absolutely no kills in that time. RollBut Gallente had substantially fewer kills during the 2 month push to win soveriegnty than they had in the 2 months immediately after.

And I never claimed I could win the sov war. I would never even attempt it, with these mechanics.

You will know their posts by the fact that they never give any actual data to support their claim. They will also just make vague claims like we got "a lot of pvp" when we pushed for sov instead of comparing it to the amount of pvp they got when they weren't pushing sov. And they all absolutely hate it when someone suggests we look at the killboards of the daily top vp gainers. (If you don't know what vp is you should look it up)

more utterly useless crap.

Moe is the one who suggested I look at the december killboards. So I did, and posted the data I saw. Now you and Curly are arguing that the data means nothing.

It seems you are pretty new to faction war. You should try to win the sov war a bit, and learn how to do it. Only then make your mind up about whose view you support or don't support. Thats more sensible than just trying to kiss up to players you think are "important" like a teen girl.

Yes a few people on this forum play faction war and therefore have a tendency to defend it - even beyond reason. I am one of the very few people who played faction war, gave up on it to get more pvp, yet continue to post data establishing the problems. What I post is pretty well known by anyone who has tried to win sov though.

There are plenty of people who share some of my views and think faction war needs work. But generally anyone who posts on these forums suggesting that fw needs work gets shouted down by about 5 forum warriors who appearantly patrol the forums for that reason.

You will know their posts by the fact that they never give any actual data to support their claim. They will also just make vague claims like we got "a lot of pvp" when we pushed for sov instead of comparing it to the amount of pvp they got when they weren't pushing sov. And they all absolutely hate it when someone suggests we look at the killboards of the daily top vp gainers. (If you don't know what vp is you should look it up)

You can't just look at a number in a vacuum.

I look at them relative to other months for the same corp.

And THERE we have the difference between amarr militia and caldari militia.
Cals: Okay it is inevitable. Srew you guys. We give up and go highsec. Most of us will leave fw :P
Amarr: Okay. Last stand. There isn-¦t anything inevitable. Fight to the last ship and last drop of blood. Sahtogas may not fall. Never. We will fight for every damn plex with 4 vs 20.

2 1/2 weeks later amarr kick minnie ass like hell, while even many calmil 100% loyalist corps are coming to amarr mili.
There isn-¦t anything inevitable.

I solo a fair amount of the time, fly t1 frigs, and have under 4 mill Sp.
I get fights in plexes all the time.

There are 101 systems. You guys couldn't have put some resources into taking/deplexing even a few systems and got a ton of fights? Yet you had the resources to make a push immediately after?

dang you guys still going at it?

Cearain made me stop reading this 10 pages ago.