Should have seen this coming......allowing hi sec gankers that committed the crimes to work their way back into hi sec safely so they can go and gank more players, by giving them the means to do so. WOW. Unbelievable. The idea is that if they commit the crime, do the time.

Don't go and give them easy ways out. Now there is no point to mining, industry, or anything. They will just gank, go to low sec, collect tags, give to concord, and then come back to hi sec and gank again, OMG, that is the most ridiculous update i have ever seen.

What about the players they gank? The excuse ccp uses is that people will rather stop playing than grind their way back up in security status. That is bull. Then if that's the case, remove hi sec space. There is no point to it. As gankers will be much more, there is no reforming a gank. There is a very well known phrase, "do the crime, do the time". Grinding their way up is the time they doing for being stupid enough to do the crime. Doing that update is just another loophole for things to kill even the noobs in hi sec space, and easily find a way back to hi sec after doing a crime.

This is just another way to show ccp rather support crime. Hey what the heck. So what.

I VOTE REMOVE HIGH SEC SPACE......hahahaha.....that could be good fun.

Total and Utter Guff

Should have seen this coming......allowing hi sec gankers that committed the crimes to work their way back into hi sec safely so they can go and gank more players, by giving them the means to do so. WOW. Unbelievable. The idea is that if they commit the crime, do the time.

Don't go and give them easy ways out. Now there is no point to mining, industry, or anything. They will just gank, go to low sec, collect tags, give to concord, and then come back to hi sec and gank again, OMG, that is the most ridiculous update i have ever seen.

What about the players they gank? The excuse ccp uses is that people will rather stop playing than grind their way back up in security status. That is bull. Then if that's the case, remove hi sec space. There is no point to it. As gankers will be much more, there is no reforming a gank. There is a very well known phrase, "do the crime, do the time". Grinding their way up is the time they doing for being stupid enough to do the crime. Doing that update is just another loophole for things to kill even the noobs in hi sec space, and easily find a way back to hi sec after doing a crime.

This is just another way to show ccp rather support crime. Hey what the heck. So what.

I VOTE REMOVE HIGH SEC SPACE......hahahaha.....that could be good fun.

Beautiful art. http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=15081055

http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=17588879 I thought this was good.


But this is just art. Beautiful art. http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=15081055

Should have seen this coming......

http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=17588879 I thought this was good.


But this is just art. Beautiful art. http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=15081055

Should have seen this coming......allowing hi sec gankers that committed the crimes to work their way back into hi sec safely so they can go and gank more players, by giving them the means to do so. WOW. Unbelievable. The idea is that if they commit the crime, do the time.

Don't go and give them easy ways out. Now there is no point to mining, industry, or anything. They will just gank, go to low sec, collect tags, give to concord, and then come back to hi sec and gank again, OMG, that is the most ridiculous update i have ever seen.

What about the players they gank? The excuse ccp uses is that people will rather stop playing than grind their way back up in security status. That is bull. Then if that's the case, remove hi sec space. There is no point to it. As gankers will be much more, there is no reforming a gank. There is a very well known phrase, "do the crime, do the time". Grinding their way up is the time they doing for being stupid enough to do the crime. Doing that update is just another loophole for things to kill even the noobs in hi sec space, and easily find a way back to hi sec after doing a crime.

This is just another way to show ccp rather support crime. Hey what the heck. So what.

I VOTE REMOVE HIGH SEC SPACE......hahahaha.....that could be good fun.

But this is just art. Beautiful art. http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=15081055

This is just another way to show ccp rather support crime.

Should have seen this coming......allowing hi sec gankers that committed the crimes to work their way back into hi sec safely so they can go and gank more players, by giving them the means to do so. WOW. Unbelievable. The idea is that if they commit the crime, do the time...

You do realize sec is/will be trivially easy to get if you want it, right? It's not the reason people don't gank.

The reason it doesn't happen more often is that every couple of months CCP rolls out another round of nerfs to it. Go back to mining and cry in corp chat, not here.

Combat support? What do you think combat support is going to do about a suicide gank?

Why would a ganker, go and spend money/time on getting their sec status up to lose it again. Also why are you crying on the forums about something not yet released and really nobody has any idea how this is actually gunna work.....

It does not matter what i say in any case. Most of you seem to have temper tantrums when you don't like someone's opinion or comments, and if some of you don't have temper tantrums, you're completely disrepectful, rude ***holes. Then again, that's probably why the world will never have peace in any way at all. No respect or tolerance for anyone else.

Makes no difference whether this is game related or not. A simple show of respect and respecting someone's thought's and ideas cannot kill you.

Actually it's because you've hilariously failed to understand the change in mechanics or it's implications, and gone and posted a whine thread about it.

Why should we respect that.

rabblerabblerabbletears

aaii tog...

Vir iemand wat in vrede will wees... jy hou daarvan om mense se attention op jou te sit.

Ek sou sterk aan geraai het dat jy seker maak oor hoe die goed werk voor jy hierdie post gepost het. Hierdie gaan tien teen een net nog kak veroorsaak.

I might be a noob, but I'm pretty sure that 2nd kill mail is a fake (not API verified), as the poster of it even hints at.

Again, I might be a noob, but I haven't seen any dedicated gankers that give a rat's ass about their security status, and, in fact, wear their -10 sec status proudly. IMO the main purchaser/farmer of these tags will be non criminal low sec PvPers.

Combat support? What do you think combat support is going to do about a suicide gank?

I VOTE REMOVE HIGH SEC SPACE......hahahaha.....that could be good fun.

I might be a noob, but I'm pretty sure that 2nd kill mail is a fake (not API verified), as the poster of it even hints at.

Again, I might be a noob, but I haven't seen any dedicated gankers that give a rat's ass about their security status, and, in fact, wear their -10 sec status proudly. IMO the main purchaser/farmer of these tags will be non criminal low sec PvPers.

It does not matter what i say in any case. Most of you seem to have temper tantrums when you don't like someone's opinion or comments, and if some of you don't have temper tantrums, you're completely disrepectful, rude ***holes. Then again, that's probably why the world will never have peace in any way at all. No respect or tolerance for anyone else.

Makes no difference whether this is game related or not. A simple show of respect and respecting someone's thought's and ideas cannot kill you.

...Good deed for the day, gotta wrack up that karma for the next time I jump into a bubbled gate...

Really??? , which dev actualy willing to sit with him - either a troll or really ******** person .... mentioned so many facts but shows none sofar

I'll skip over your atrocious grammar and let you in on a little secret: DEVs and GMs are not the same thing. One is blue and the other is red.

And now I want to see an episode of Red Vs. Blue done CCP style.

Problem with your rant: Most High sec gankers keep their -10 status and still gank in high sec with that -10 status. Why would they grind or pay for tags, they don't need them.

It does not matter what i say in any case. Most of you seem to have temper tantrums when you don't like someone's opinion or comments, and if some of you don't have temper tantrums, you're completely disrepectful, rude ***holes. Then again, that's probably why the world will never have peace in any way at all. No respect or tolerance for anyone else.

Makes no difference whether this is game related or not. A simple show of respect and respecting someone's thought's and ideas cannot kill you.

Should have seen this coming......allowing hi sec gankers that committed the crimes to work their way back into hi sec safely so they can go and gank more players, by giving them the means to do so. WOW. Unbelievable. The idea is that if they commit the crime, do the time.

Don't go and give them easy ways out. Now there is no point to mining, industry, or anything. They will just gank, go to low sec, collect tags, give to concord, and then come back to hi sec and gank again, OMG, that is the most ridiculous update i have ever seen.

What about the players they gank? The excuse ccp uses is that people will rather stop playing than grind their way back up in security status. That is bull. Then if that's the case, remove hi sec space. There is no point to it. As gankers will be much more, there is no reforming a gank. There is a very well known phrase, "do the crime, do the time". Grinding their way up is the time they doing for being stupid enough to do the crime. Doing that update is just another loophole for things to kill even the noobs in hi sec space, and easily find a way back to hi sec after doing a crime.

This is just another way to show ccp rather support crime. Hey what the heck. So what.

I VOTE REMOVE HIGH SEC SPACE......hahahaha.....that could be good fun.

Yea I had a few pithy remarks for this one but I'm going to be nice here. Good deed for the day, gotta wrack up that karma for the next time I jump into a bubbled gate.

Firstly, you specifically came onto the forum for pirates and gankers and complained about a change that is positive for them. I'm curious what response you expected on an internet forum? Did you really think it would be "Good show, good sir, I must say that although I disagree with your point of view I certainly respect you for stating it!" Because if that's what you expected it would seem your knowledge of the internet is lacking. If I got upset every time someone insulted me on the internet being upset is pretty much all I'd do.

Secondly, your problem is that when faced with changes that make your life difficult instead of finding a way to adjust your tactics to overcome them, you look to CCP to fix things for you. That's not a good way to look at things. EvE changes all the time. Some of those changes will make your life easier, some harder and some just different. If your first response to the ones that make life harder is demand they be reversed, you won't accomplish much.

What are expecting to happen when the change goes live? All mining and hauling in high-sec is going to shut down? Not likely. That means other players figured out how to deal with it. I'm sure if you take the time you can figure it out too. Although honestly as I stated before, you actually won't have to do anything you haven't had to do before.

OP, this is probably not the game you are looking for, judging by your bio you'd be much happier playing X3 or Star Citizen if it ever sees the light of day.

Sec4tags won't be used by highsec gankers, the -10 and shiny red status in local are worn with pride. You seem to have failed to realise that Eve is a game that is extremely competitive, and where suiciding people is just another way of doing business, it's a fun way of doing so, especially when people fly abominations, sometimes it's even lucrative if the loot fairy is in a good mood.

Highsec is currently safer than it has been at any time in the past, for example CCP have stated that the destruction of mining vessels is currently at an historic low. Gankers have been nerfed time and time again by changes to game mechanics that have favoured "unwilling combatants", they have had to adapt to all these changes to carry on with the way that they choose to play, it's about time that they got a little love from CCP.

You're certainly entitled to your opinion, just as we are entitled to make fun of you because of it.

Well. I was not saying that hi sec gankers were ever going to die off. I merely....omg i am not going to explain it again. Read my other post reply, and of course everyone is entitled to their opinion, i never said anyone is not allowed an opnion. The least anyone can do is have respect. A lot of the time the way people talk here seems to sound a lot like the way they run their daily lives. A little respect goes a long way. But then again, their is not medication for ***holes in the world now days. Its just another thing that happens.

please point on the little butthurt pod doll where the bad bad piwates touched you.

I do find the "Tags 4 Sec" program to be pretty funny. The professional suicide gankers are already -10 and are quite able to work around the limitations of that. The pirates in lowsec just don't care. I have one such dastardly character. The effect of having a -10 sec status? Very close to zero. Why spend the money and time bumping up sec status when it doesn't matter?

Those who will benefit from the ability to purchase security status seem to be a pretty small group. I guess if you bought a character, maybe? I dunno.

OK I will try not to be disrespectful.

Deep breath.

Count/accusation 1. "you have all been here since near the beginning"

This is largely untrue. While I can only speak for myself I have been playing for much less than 3 of the ten years of eve. Furthermore the game mechanics are completely different in most regards than (just) those three years ago. To survive in eve one has to be willing to constantly do their homework (or find someone who does and BELIEVE THEM). Otherwise, you will find what was good last patch has been changed nerfed or (most commonly) countered.

2. "You are all ***hole sociopathic etc"
Please remember you came to this forum. Started this thread. And began with a highly belligerent manor to tell us all that we are being given some kind of game changing advantage. You did this without understanding the mechanics firstly nor understanding that until release who knows how these tags will be applied. Then for extra insult you claim that this is all the worse without understanding this is the most safe it has ever been for new players.

3) "CCP causes disconnect on every fight"
Finally, there is a very likely real cause for this. And it has nothing at all to do with your internet. Most likely you have a very poorly setup over view. Given that most WD targets are going to be in trade hubs I imagine you are trying to fight there. But even a busy mission hub will be similar. When you launch drones and engage targets your overview can become flooded and can in extreme cases cause client side lag. As a result of the client being less stable the program can close the sockets or what ever. Believe it or not this USED to be a valid tactic. In times before mine you could spam a target with chat requests and lag them out.

In closing if you are looking to understand and ask questions, try to show the same respect you demand in the first place. Know just who you are talking to. And if you are going to make wild claims expect to be expected to back them against all comers.



TL:DR Attempt to politely tell OP he started with whining and then felt attacked. Tried to offer solutions to connectivity in combat issues that do not require a t

I have noticed here that there is some doubt to the utility of these Tags. I can see one use.

I am a high sec carebear, but there are a few people I meet who I feel deserve Ganking. I have the tools but grinding sec status in highsec is harder I believe than in Low or Null. If I could just buy my sec status back up it would be convenient. So tags for sec would definitely have a place for the weekend pirate.

I therefore politely suggest that Tags4Sec could well make high sec more dangerous and perhaps engender a wider understanding of the pirate lifestyle..

And no there is no crying here. Those that seem to forever think there is crying, clearly they enjoy crying a lot themselves to continuously use that term every time they see someone make a comment they don't like. Same with whining.

aaii tog...

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It could prove useful to me depending on how CCP balances it~

I do understand, that it is necessary to read up on some of the updates. However, I have a real life and business to attend to as well. Unfortunately i cannot sit everyday reading updates, and reading loopholes, and reading every single post on the forum.

......Maybe that's because i have not been playing for years, like a lot of you, and the fact that i have a real life and business to attend to. I cannot site on Eve 24 hours a day, 7 days a week like some of you may possibly be doing.

..... I do respect players that respect me when they actually discuss it, and not act like ***holes, giving me **** about comments i make.

...clearly they enjoy crying a lot themselves to continuously use that term every time they see someone make a comment they don't like. Same with whining.

Can you explain a bit more? I'm guessing to offset the occasional suicide gank / Burn Jita event?

I simply try to do what i can to learn. Sometimes i may end up mentioning something that is in the game already, and I DO NOT KNOW ITS THERE. Maybe that's because i have not been playing for years, like a lot of you, and the fact that i have a real life and business to attend to. I cannot site on Eve 24 hours a day, 7 days a week like some of you may possibly be doing. I merely make suggestions from my experiences and various new players that have experienced the same. I do respect players that respect me when they actually discuss it, and not act like ***holes, giving me **** about comments i make. Those players at least get a thank you.

But then there should be a way for other members in high sec to benefit more if pirates are going to get a good benefit like that. I have no idea what right now though. Thank you.

But then there should be a way for other members in high sec to benefit more if pirates are going to get a good benefit like that.

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...lowsec... it is dangerous but my word lowsec can be fun....


But do it in a cheap ship because you will probably die. ...

remove hi sec space. There is no point to it.

I wholeheartedly agree with this. All it does is allow babbies to play in relative safety and provide an easy way for people to gather up ISK without actually participating in the competetive element of the game.

Can you explain a bit more? I'm guessing to offset the occasional suicide gank / Burn Jita event?

There's two scenarios:

a) TAGS cost enough that it's still worth your time grinding sec in 0.0
b) TAGS are cheap enough that it's worth buying them and restoring sec that way
OPTIONAL c) you're rich enough not to care about the balance and will buy them to save time.

Your south african?As a dutch guy most words there made sense ... and here i allways assumed your american.

What made you think American?

http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=17588879 I thought this was good.


But this is just art. Beautiful art. http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=15081055

What made you think American?

For the same reason when i have a woman on the Phone i think she is either hot or buttugly .... a hunch :)

Not worried. But if they really want to have fun, go suicide a carrier. That might be more fun for them, but of course that's almost impossible. Which would not matter much anyways seeing that is would be in null or low sec anyways.

It will create new business in lowsec, getting tags in hi-sec, and bringing them to losec in some way. If you could get tags to rancer somehow, maybe with some sort of ship that turns invisible...

inb4 pirates have alts.

Some pirates will gladly dump isk to avoid grinding for tags, the same way people buy some industry mats to have it instantly.

I have noticed here that there is some doubt to the utility of these Tags. I can see one use.

I am a high sec carebear, but there are a few people I meet who I feel deserve Ganking. I have the tools but grinding sec status in highsec is harder I believe than in Low or Null. If I could just buy my sec status back up it would be convenient. So tags for sec would definitely have a place for the weekend pirate.
.....

Before:

Don't fly what you can't afford to lose and don't fly with cargo worth ganking.

After:

Don't fly what you can't afford to lose and don't fly with cargo worth ganking.



Not seeing a problem here.

Yeah, because titan and super carrier pilots can afford to replace their ships, right?

The worst one is when the ones that sound really hot or are a really good laugh to talk to, turn out to be somebody's grandmother.

Aye , like receptionists on the Phone of a company you have to do a delivery to.Thinking she is HOT on the Phone and when you do the delivery the next day find out she is as fat as can be and buttugly.

The mind plays sadistic tricks on us