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Quentin Marshall
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Posted - 2013.05.07 20:39:00 -
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My main belongs in a small PVP lowsec corp. We were thinking of joining Caldari FW to help turn the tide. I am wondering if there any respectable lowsec PVP alliances in Caldari Factional Warfare? I know there is a recruitment forum but I just wanted to seek opinions from others rather than get pitched.
It seems like there are decent Gallente corps and alliances but my CEO and I have had difficult time finding an alliance that could fly respectable fleets (eg; not kitchen sink) with a solid Killboard. Are we not looking in the right place? Can anyone here make any recommendations? |

chatgris
Quantum Cats Syndicate Samurai Pizza Cats
479
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Posted - 2013.05.07 20:50:00 -
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From the Gallente perspective, two Caldari alliances stand out as competent and relatively drama free (which isn't saying much for the Caldari militia :) )
Caldari State Capturing Templis Dragonaors |

Combatevolved
Caldari Colonial Defense Ministry Templis Dragonaors
4
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Posted - 2013.05.07 20:55:00 -
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Chatgris is right.
Get to innia. Templis Dragonaors are taking Eha. |

IbanezLaney
The Church of Awesome Caldari State Capturing
368
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Posted - 2013.05.08 05:16:00 -
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Quote:I am wondering if there any respectable lowsec PVP alliances in Caldari Factional Warfare?
Hell no. Fix this **** See Sea Pea. |

Morgan Torry
Arma Purgatorium Templis Dragonaors
139
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Posted - 2013.05.08 05:59:00 -
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IbanezLaney wrote:Quote:I am wondering if there any respectable lowsec PVP alliances in Caldari Factional Warfare? Hell no.
Agreed. Join QCats - they're the top dogs now and need to remain there. Also, they aren't afraid of fighting. Mad respect.
So yes...more pew Blues always mean lost opportunity Arma Purgatorium - For the State, For the Corporation Faction Warfare, PvP, Training
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Rob Lorence
Dedicated Individuals Conditioned to Kill B O R G
10
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Posted - 2013.05.08 08:45:00 -
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There are also other decent alliances in caldari mil (one i'm in i.e ) If your corp has good FC's then its just a matter of joining an alliance with enough members who can follow fleet orders, decide on a specific doctrine and ask members to have the specific ships ready on time for ops.. If it goes well then ppl will keep on coming :)
The biggest thing that's missing from caldari mil imo are organized fleets with proper FC's.. Then again its also important to have members who are willing to plex solo to hold/capture systems if you want to actually turn the tide |

Pinky Feldman
No Moar Tears I Whip My Slaves Back and Forth
528
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Posted - 2013.05.08 22:24:00 -
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Rob Lorence wrote:There are also other decent alliances in caldari mil (one i'm in i.e  ) If your corp has good FC's then its just a matter of joining an alliance with enough members who can follow fleet orders, decide on a specific doctrine and ask members to have the specific ships ready on time for ops.. If it goes well then ppl will keep on coming :) The biggest thing that's missing from caldari mil imo are organized fleets with proper FC's.. Then again its also important to have members who are willing to plex solo to hold/capture systems if you want to actually turn the tide
Since organized fleets are good for anything other than ihub bashes, or funzies.
The moar you cry the less you pee |

chatgris
Quantum Cats Syndicate Samurai Pizza Cats
480
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Posted - 2013.05.08 23:38:00 -
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Pinky Feldman wrote:Rob Lorence wrote:There are also other decent alliances in caldari mil (one i'm in i.e  ) If your corp has good FC's then its just a matter of joining an alliance with enough members who can follow fleet orders, decide on a specific doctrine and ask members to have the specific ships ready on time for ops.. If it goes well then ppl will keep on coming :) The biggest thing that's missing from caldari mil imo are organized fleets with proper FC's.. Then again its also important to have members who are willing to plex solo to hold/capture systems if you want to actually turn the tide Since organized fleets are good for anything other than ihub bashes, or funzies.
They are good for fighting over home systems. |

ALUCARD 1208
Spiritus Draconis Sicarius Draconis
184
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Posted - 2013.05.08 23:56:00 -
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Rob Lorence wrote:
The biggest thing that's missing from caldari mil imo are organized fleets with proper FC's..
Didnt you guys have gavingoodrich hes one of the best fcs cal mil has ever had if not the best... his thoughts should have been taken on board. Also if a cal mil corp could pull of the coup of getting gunnyt31 bk in the cal mill fold that would stand you in good stead imo but i dont know how the land lies there with him difecting ;)
Both these guys knew how to give fights and organize fleets on a larger scale GÖÑ HIGH FIVES GÖÑ-á |

IbanezLaney
The Church of Awesome Caldari State Capturing
368
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Posted - 2013.05.09 00:15:00 -
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Rob Lorence wrote: The biggest thing that's missing from caldari mil imo are organized fleets with proper FC's..
We have the FC's: It's just getting motivated to undock and to tie yourself to the computer for an hour or two and not be uninterrupted that is the issue.
Fix this **** See Sea Pea. |
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Quentin Marshall
8
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Posted - 2013.05.09 00:30:00 -
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Combatevolved wrote:Chatgris is right.
Get to innia. Templis Dragonaors are taking Eha.
Surely you are just trolling me? I read The Mittani article today about how both Templis and Southern Renegades is failcascading . Whilst I love to join the fights, I don't want my corp to endure the sort of drama that both alliances are getting from internal dissent. Borg alliance maybe? Resistance is futile. Heh. Couldn't help it. 
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Major Killz
187
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Posted - 2013.05.09 01:31:00 -
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I suggest you focus on improving and relying on yourself, friends and corporation. Otherwise you'll be weak and be dependent on politics (diplomacy), cult of personalities (Fleet Commanders) and even the slightest amount of difficulty.
With that said.
The Caldari militia is full of terribubble pilots and leaders who gather together like flies on sh!t. I honestly don't know why they congregate in such numbers in the Caldari militia. They have bad habits that has not and may never changed. They even propagate those habbits to new pilots. Well to be honest. Most of the pilots and leaders in this game have the same habits.
role-play on***REAL Caldari are not so weak. We lack numbers compared to the other empires, but we overcome size with wits, tenacity etc***role-play off
The few leaders and pilots who are worth mentioning are successful no matter the condition of factional warfare, battles, wars and losses. These entities and pilots tend to be small because there's a lack of hand holding and competence. While the larger entities are full of ret@rds.
Anyway. As a wise douche once said "**** with golden sprinkles placed on it, is still sh!t".
Note: I hope these comments are taken as is. I like to be honest instead of cordial. The things that make someone a good friend doesn't necessarily make them competent and or rugged (battle tested and hardened). Which is something you need to be successful in combat.
This may not ever get threw to most who read this, but some players may learn from these comments and will be better for it. There's more context but I decided to simplify, as I tend to do.
TLDR: stay away from the large alliances. Find and fly with the corporations and pilots who are successful and learn from them. MIND YOU. The above only matters if you want to be successful in terms of combat. Otherwise, just chill and don't worry about anything. Log on circle jerk, laugh and make bread.
-killz |

Combatevolved
Caldari Colonial Defense Ministry Templis Dragonaors
7
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Posted - 2013.05.09 01:38:00 -
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Quentin Marshall wrote:Combatevolved wrote:Chatgris is right.
Get to innia. Templis Dragonaors are taking Eha. Surely you are just trolling me? I read The Mittani article today about how both Templis and Southern Renegades is failcascading . Whilst I love to join the fights, I don't want my corp to endure the sort of drama that both alliances are getting from internal dissent. Borg alliance maybe? Resistance is futile. Heh. Couldn't help it. 
There is a reason why you read about those alliances. It is because they actually do something in FW. Most don't. BORG starting to get into things. |

Sean Parisi
Fugutive Task Force Caldari State Capturing
270
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Posted - 2013.05.09 02:02:00 -
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IbanezLaney wrote:Rob Lorence wrote: The biggest thing that's missing from caldari mil imo are organized fleets with proper FC's..
We have the FC's: It's just getting motivated to undock and to tie yourself to the computer for an hour or two and not be uninterrupted that is the issue.
Pretty much this. Majority of us are willing to take a fleet out, except real life beckons. |

chatgris
Quantum Cats Syndicate Samurai Pizza Cats
480
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Posted - 2013.05.09 03:10:00 -
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Quentin Marshall wrote:Combatevolved wrote:Chatgris is right.
Get to innia. Templis Dragonaors are taking Eha. Surely you are just trolling me? I read The Mittani article today about how both Templis and Southern Renegades is failcascading . Whilst I love to join the fights, I don't want my corp to endure the sort of drama that both alliances are getting from internal dissent. Borg alliance maybe? Resistance is futile. Heh. Couldn't help it. 
Southern is failcascading, which is why I didn't list them.
However, this isn't the first time Templis have been kicked out of a system, and they are still kicking. |

X Gallentius
Justified Chaos
1398
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Posted - 2013.05.09 04:11:00 -
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Major Killz wrote:TLDR: Find and fly with the corporations and pilots who are successful and learn from them. But he said he wanted to fly in the Caldari militia..... /rimshot  |

Combatevolved
Caldari Colonial Defense Ministry Templis Dragonaors
7
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Posted - 2013.05.09 04:31:00 -
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X Gallentius wrote:Major Killz wrote:TLDR: Find and fly with the corporations and pilots who are successful and learn from them. But he said he wanted to fly in the Caldari militia..... /rimshot 
Yeah, fly with Gallente instead. They are the underdogs. 
If you are going to turn the tides, might as well not associate with the rest of Caldari militia and have your corp take Eha. |

Bad Messenger
Nasranite Watch
472
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Posted - 2013.05.09 06:02:00 -
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Rob Lorence wrote:There are also other decent alliances in caldari mil (one i'm in i.e  ) If your corp has good FC's then its just a matter of joining an alliance with enough members who can follow fleet orders, decide on a specific doctrine and ask members to have the specific ships ready on time for ops.. If it goes well then ppl will keep on coming :) The biggest thing that's missing from caldari mil imo are organized fleets with proper FC's.. Then again its also important to have members who are willing to plex solo to hold/capture systems if you want to actually turn the tide
borg are awoxers so ... |

Bad Messenger
Nasranite Watch
472
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Posted - 2013.05.09 06:06:00 -
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Major Killz wrote:I suggest you focus on improving and relying on yourself, friends and corporation. Otherwise you'll be weak and be dependent on politics (diplomacy), cult of personalities (Fleet Commanders) and even the slightest amount of difficulty.
With that said.
The Caldari militia is full of terribubble pilots and leaders who gather together like flies on sh!t. I honestly don't know why they congregate in such numbers in the Caldari militia. They have bad habits that has not and may never changed. They even propagate those habbits to new pilots. Well to be honest. Most of the pilots and leaders in this game have the same habits.
role-play on***REAL Caldari are not so weak. We lack numbers compared to the other empires, but we overcome size with wits, tenacity etc***role-play off
The few leaders and pilots who are worth mentioning are successful no matter the condition of factional warfare, battles, wars and losses. These entities and pilots tend to be small because there's a lack of hand holding and competence. While the larger entities are full of ret@rds.
Anyway. As a wise douche once said "**** with golden sprinkles placed on it, is still sh!t".
Note: I hope these comments are taken as is. I like to be honest instead of cordial. The things that make someone a good friend doesn't necessarily make them competent and or rugged (battle tested and hardened). Which is something you need to be successful in combat.
This may not ever get threw to most who read this, but some players may learn from these comments and will be better for it. There's more context but I decided to simplify, as I tend to do.
TLDR: stay away from the large alliances. Find and fly with the corporations and pilots who are successful and learn from them. MIND YOU. The above only matters if you want to be successful in terms of combat. Otherwise, just chill and don't worry about anything. Log on circle jerk, laugh and make bread.
-killz
Thing is that you will not get pro pvpers to caldari side because they know that fight against gallente is over in couple fights, after that there is only pve left.
So all you have to do is to play with newcomers who think FW is something great. |

Rob Lorence
Dedicated Individuals Conditioned to Kill B O R G
10
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Posted - 2013.05.09 07:40:00 -
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Not gonna bother much with the borg are awoxers bit.. Just look at our killboards and judge for yourselves.
As for organized fleets, your right. They have nearly 0 contribution to "winning" FW other than bashing/defending an Ihub (bashing can be done with a small gang of OG carriers during the dead hours) or drive plexers/deplexers They are however good for moral to have fun roams where you improve your KB and members have fun welping enemy fleets.
The way to "win" fw is by having your corp/alliance members focus on plexing a specific system with small groups/solo throughout the day and not with a fleet of 60ppl (plexing with 60 ppl together is **** LP and gets very old very fast)
Regarding that mittani article, not sure what was the point of a "push" with a fleet of BS/BC? You might get good kills but taking a system is through the small/novice plexes.
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X Gallentius
Justified Chaos
1402
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Posted - 2013.05.09 08:38:00 -
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Combatevolved wrote:X Gallentius wrote:Major Killz wrote:TLDR: Find and fly with the corporations and pilots who are successful and learn from them. But he said he wanted to fly in the Caldari militia..... /rimshot  Yeah, fly with Gallente instead. They are the underdogs.  If you are going to turn the tides, might as well not associate with the rest of Caldari militia and have your corp take Eha. Sorry. I couldn't help it. It was just sitting there, begging for a response..... |

Pinky Feldman
No Moar Tears I Whip My Slaves Back and Forth
529
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Posted - 2013.05.09 10:25:00 -
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chatgris wrote:Pinky Feldman wrote:Rob Lorence wrote:There are also other decent alliances in caldari mil (one i'm in i.e  ) If your corp has good FC's then its just a matter of joining an alliance with enough members who can follow fleet orders, decide on a specific doctrine and ask members to have the specific ships ready on time for ops.. If it goes well then ppl will keep on coming :) The biggest thing that's missing from caldari mil imo are organized fleets with proper FC's.. Then again its also important to have members who are willing to plex solo to hold/capture systems if you want to actually turn the tide Since organized fleets are good for anything other than ihub bashes, or funzies. They are good for fighting over home systems.
Yet, the reality is that fighting over home systems in large fleets is a waste of resources. Why fight in a home system where the enemy has access to quick reships, OGBs, and other homefield advantages? You get a much better fight when both parties are 2-3 jumps away from their staging system.
Is losing a home system a crushing morale blow that might cause some groups to leave their militia? Perhaps, but plexers can easily get around such inconveniences and why would you want PVPers from the opposing militia to leave and get even fewer fights?
The moar you cry the less you pee |

Bad Messenger
Nasranite Watch
474
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Posted - 2013.05.09 14:48:00 -
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Rob Lorence wrote:Not gonna bother much with the borg are awoxers bit.. Just look at our killboards and judge for yourselves.
As for organized fleets, your right. They have nearly 0 contribution to "winning" FW other than bashing/defending an Ihub (bashing can be done with a small gang of OG carriers during the dead hours) or drive plexers/deplexers They are however good for moral to have fun roams where you improve your KB and members have fun welping enemy fleets.
The way to "win" fw is by having your corp/alliance members focus on plexing a specific system with small groups/solo throughout the day and not with a fleet of 60ppl (plexing with 60 ppl together is **** LP and gets very old very fast)
Regarding that mittani article, not sure what was the point of a "push" with a fleet of BS/BC? You might get good kills but taking a system is through the small/novice plexes.
i can link you several mails where your guys have awoxed caldari militia, sadly forum rules forbid linking those but if you really want some links i can provide those. |

Major Killz
187
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Posted - 2013.05.09 14:58:00 -
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Combatevolved wrote:X Gallentius wrote:Major Killz wrote:TLDR: Find and fly with the corporations and pilots who are successful and learn from them. But he said he wanted to fly in the Caldari militia..... /rimshot  Yeah, fly with Gallente instead. They are the underdogs.  If you are going to turn the tides, might as well not associate with the rest of Caldari militia and have your corp take Eha.
Technically I'm in every militia and have been for 2 years now. Just not with my current main "Major killz". Well, public main...
Anyway.
No one should believe the Gallente militia leaders, corporations and alliances are specifically superior. Well, not that much superior.
For example. Leaders in factional warfare believe they lead but that's a fallacy. When you can recruit pilots into your corporation and almost never have to log on, speak with and help direct and a corporation still grows. That's easy mode. So, management is not the most important part of a successful factional warfare entity (outside of the nest it's different).
Factional warfare content and player driven content can is shared (militia system). By that I mean a corporation without a fleet commander can have one by being in a militia. Which provides more content for a corporations membership.
Alot of leaders in the gallente militia believe the aforementioned fallacy. Most have never been tested outside of factional warfare and those who have can tell you it's VERY difficult. Which is why most corporations that are born or grow in factional warfare fail when they leave (they get a swift kick in the nutz of reality). There's more stress.... ALOT more stress involved for leadership and they have to be VERY active and actually work. Politics becomes ALOT more important; active fleet commanders; good management and corporation/alliance structure. Delegating is the ultimate goal for the leader and most find that difficult. If an entity cannot survive without 1 person. Then that entity will not survive for long.
HEh! Funny part is when a corporation fails and comes back to factional warfare and blame it on 0.0 or lame tactics. Instead of poor leaders or lack of leadership, mistaken belief and or sh!t/scared pilots.
So, I don't think much of the leadership in the Gallente militia or at-least non-fleet commanders or at-least the REALLY good ones.
What the Gallente have the Caldari do not is ALOT of competent pilots and competent pilots naturally gravitate to established entities and other competent pilots. Contrast with the Caldari who lack on every level and it's sad. With that said. I joined Caldari milltia because it was the worst of all the militias. I figured if you want to be better you might as well fight your betters. After all. Can you really consider yourself "good" if you're engaging ret@rds?
Mind you. The Caldari has produced The space perverts, Draketrain, Happy Endings, Inglorious-Basterds, Wolfsbrigade and has hosted fleet commanders like Lacco, Gavin, and Progod for extended periods. Notice only one Caldari alliance was mentioned. That's because I have no idea why they exist and Caldari have only produced one worth mentioning.
To wrap this up. I used factional warfare for my purposes. No matter what moves were made I did it to strengthen my own corporation. So no matter what happened my corporation would come out ahead. I worm tongued but never did much to help others even when I was in an alliance with them (other than fleet commanding , frog stomping and yarring). By that I mean I would say without saying and suggest without suggesting and hedge against others decisions and probable outcomes. I would also suck d!ck and hype people if it helped my corporations position or amused me. As far as an alliance though. I'm not a believer in the alliance model. I rather have a big corporation of 500 players, than an alliance of 500 players. Easier to manage, less talking heads (more control).
TLDR: Read my first post and scroll down to that "TL;DR". The above would only help understand factional warfare as it is now on the leadership level. So, it may help future corporation heads and corporations in making decisions in the present and future. If you choose to stay in factional warfare then things are easier as far as leadership and management. If your goal is to build in factional warfare and leave. Well you need certain structures in place and alot of delegated positions and leadership already built (at-least 2 fleet commanders is a MUST).
- killz |

Bad Messenger
Nasranite Watch
474
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Posted - 2013.05.09 15:13:00 -
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I want to repeat myself and say that caldari does not have lot of good corporations/alliances because there is no need for those in militia. |

Major Killz
187
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Posted - 2013.05.09 15:26:00 -
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Bad Messenger wrote:I want to repeat myself and say that caldari does not have lot of good corporations/alliances because there is no need for those in militia.
There may be no need in your opinion but A LOT of corporations strive for "good" status. Not many achieve it though. Its up to the individual if he/she wants that for their corporation. If people like that did not exist then alot of my content would be loss and this game would not have grown as much as it has. More sheep with hoop dreams for the farm is a good thing. Wolves need to eat too...
- killz |

Deen Wispa
Justified Chaos
521
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Posted - 2013.05.09 16:05:00 -
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Bad Messenger wrote:I want to repeat myself and say that caldari does not have lot of good corporations/alliances because there is no need for those in militia.
Sometimes I can't tell when you're trolling and when you're serious. Of course, there's a need for good organizations in your militia. A viable FW ecosystem relies on having competitive organizations. These corps and pilots can pass on their knowledge to the next generation of pilots, leaders, and FCs. Without them, the warzone just dies, pilots leave, and combat skills atrophy.
Put it like this; when outsiders come to roam Blackrise and Placid, they don't sit there and say, "Hey, let's visit XYZ system because we know the Caldari are going to bring it." But they know to visit and hang around certain Gallente HQ systems because of the possibility of competition.
Now what I'd really like to see is the US TZ Amarr organizations go up against the US TZ Gallente organizations. Best of the best. Death match. Winner takes all!
inb4 BM rationalizes his response with something about farmers. High Five. Yeah! C'est La Eve . |

X Gallentius
Justified Chaos
1403
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Posted - 2013.05.09 16:36:00 -
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We in the Gallente Federation have a saying that is as important today as it was years ago.
"A single Derp Atron is weak, but a group of Derp Atrons is strong and can defeat shiny T3 gangs."
The pilots, corporations, and alliances in Gallente FW are like the Derp Atron. Alone, we are weak, fragile, and vulnerable, but together we are resilient and strong.
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chatgris
Quantum Cats Syndicate Samurai Pizza Cats
481
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Posted - 2013.05.09 17:32:00 -
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X Gallentius
Justified Chaos
1404
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Posted - 2013.05.09 18:01:00 -
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I saw what you did there. If you want to call out the Derp Atron, then call it out. If you do, we're gonna de-blue you, your corporation, and your hello kitty alliance too! |
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chatgris
Quantum Cats Syndicate Samurai Pizza Cats
481
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Posted - 2013.05.09 18:05:00 -
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X Gallentius wrote:I saw what you did there. If you want to call out the Derp Atron, then call it out. If you do, we're gonna de-blue you, your corporation, and your hello kitty alliance too!
lol! I put it out there, realized it was kind of a worn out joke, and deleted the post :) |

Wolfsdragoon
Rainbow Dash Goes Red Rainbow Dash Friends
24
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Posted - 2013.05.09 19:05:00 -
[32] - Quote
Deen Wispa wrote:[quote=Bad Messenger]
Put it like this; when outsiders come to roam Blackrise and Placid, they don't sit there and say, "Hey, let's visit XYZ system because we know the Caldari are going to bring it." But they know to visit and hang around certain Gallente HQ systems because of the possibility of competition.
I cannot express how badly I wish there was a strong centralized cal mil location we could roam to and get fights.
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Combatevolved
Caldari Colonial Defense Ministry Templis Dragonaors
9
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Posted - 2013.05.09 20:00:00 -
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Wolfsdragoon wrote:Deen Wispa wrote:[quote=Bad Messenger]
Put it like this; when outsiders come to roam Blackrise and Placid, they don't sit there and say, "Hey, let's visit XYZ system because we know the Caldari are going to bring it." But they know to visit and hang around certain Gallente HQ systems because of the possibility of competition.
I cannot express how badly I wish there was a strong centralized cal mil location we could roam to and get fights.
A little birdy told me cal mil in Hykanima is looking for fights. |

Deen Wispa
Justified Chaos
521
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Posted - 2013.05.09 21:17:00 -
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Combatevolved wrote:Wolfsdragoon wrote:Deen Wispa wrote:[quote=Bad Messenger]
Put it like this; when outsiders come to roam Blackrise and Placid, they don't sit there and say, "Hey, let's visit XYZ system because we know the Caldari are going to bring it." But they know to visit and hang around certain Gallente HQ systems because of the possibility of competition.
I cannot express how badly I wish there was a strong centralized cal mil location we could roam to and get fights. A little birdy told me cal mil in Hykanima is looking for fights.
Too far to go just to be fighting frigs and destroyers 
High Five. Yeah! C'est La Eve . |

Combatevolved
Caldari Colonial Defense Ministry Templis Dragonaors
9
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Posted - 2013.05.09 22:40:00 -
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Quote:Too far to go just to be fighting frigs and destroyers 
What will you come for, cruisers?
Titans? |

Wolfsdragoon
Rainbow Dash Goes Red Rainbow Dash Friends
25
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Posted - 2013.05.10 03:46:00 -
[36] - Quote
SamuelofR247 > sorry bro, you're not on my target list tonight
Then he blocked me, yeah man cal mil is definitely looking for fights.
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Shadow Adanza
Quantum Cats Syndicate Samurai Pizza Cats
73
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Posted - 2013.05.10 04:05:00 -
[37] - Quote
Wolfsdragoon wrote:
Then he blocked me, yeah man cal mil is definitely looking for fights.
Curious as to who was on his target list.
Maybe it was empty and no one was on it. Hey! You're no zombie! |

Super Chair
Amarrian Vengeance
505
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Posted - 2013.05.10 05:27:00 -
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Wolfsdragoon wrote:SamuelofR247 > sorry bro, you're not on my target list tonight
Then he blocked me, yeah man cal mil is definitely looking for fights.
Nenna is only a mere 3 jumps rakapas Project Cerberus is recruiting for the US Timezone, click here |

IbanezLaney
The Church of Awesome Caldari State Capturing
371
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Posted - 2013.05.10 05:41:00 -
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Deen Wispa wrote:Too far to go just to be fighting frigs and destroyers 
Cruisers? Meet 1/2 way?
Some of your Galls do come to Hyk occasionally and it's usually good fights.
We derped a fair few cruisers to kill one of your Pilgrims a few weeks ago. Was worth it.
And those bait tank Vexors are annoying.
Fix this **** See Sea Pea. |

Wolfsdragoon
Rainbow Dash Goes Red Rainbow Dash Friends
26
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Posted - 2013.05.10 05:45:00 -
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Super Chair wrote:Wolfsdragoon wrote:SamuelofR247 > sorry bro, you're not on my target list tonight
Then he blocked me, yeah man cal mil is definitely looking for fights.
Nenna is only a mere 3 jumps rakapas
They were already formed up for caldari, and despite not being in an optimal fleet for fighting us they still came and tried. |
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X Gallentius
Justified Chaos
1406
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Posted - 2013.05.10 16:32:00 -
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Wolfsdragoon wrote:They were already formed up for caldari, and despite not being in an optimal fleet for fighting us they still came and tried. You seem to miss the point though, being that there is no real place to go and fight cal mil. There's no place near you.... Hykanima, Loes, Heydieles (Russians). |

Deen Wispa
Justified Chaos
521
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Posted - 2013.05.10 16:54:00 -
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Wolfsdragoon wrote:Super Chair wrote:Wolfsdragoon wrote:SamuelofR247 > sorry bro, you're not on my target list tonight
Then he blocked me, yeah man cal mil is definitely looking for fights.
Nenna is only a mere 3 jumps rakapas They were already formed up for caldari, and despite not being in an optimal fleet for fighting us they still came and tried. You seem to miss the point though, being that there is no real place to go and fight cal mil.
Yo dawg! I heard your 10 man gang ran into a 10 man Cal Mil gang in Enaluri last night. They wouldn't fight you but a 5 man QCat caracal gang decided to fight you instead 
High Five. Yeah! C'est La Eve . |

Andre Vauban
Quantum Cats Syndicate Samurai Pizza Cats
106
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Posted - 2013.05.10 17:06:00 -
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Deen Wispa wrote:Wolfsdragoon wrote:Super Chair wrote:Wolfsdragoon wrote:SamuelofR247 > sorry bro, you're not on my target list tonight
Then he blocked me, yeah man cal mil is definitely looking for fights.
Nenna is only a mere 3 jumps rakapas They were already formed up for caldari, and despite not being in an optimal fleet for fighting us they still came and tried. You seem to miss the point though, being that there is no real place to go and fight cal mil. Yo dawg! I heard your 10 man gang ran into a 10 man Cal Mil gang in Enaluri last night. They wouldn't fight you but a 5 man QCat caracal gang decided to fight you instead 
That isn't accurate. Caldari had about 15-20. If it was just 10, we would have fought them. Also, we had 6 guys not 5. I also wouldn't say we fought Rainbow Dash, it was more like we shot at them while they laughed. Your facts are just so horribly wrong Deen. :P . |

Wolfsdragoon
Rainbow Dash Goes Red Rainbow Dash Friends
26
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Posted - 2013.05.10 17:55:00 -
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Well to be clear as well I'm not patting RDF on the back for being such special brave snowflakes, but it's disappointing to see cal mil so rarely.
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Rob Lorence
Dedicated Individuals Conditioned to Kill B O R G
11
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Posted - 2013.05.10 18:29:00 -
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So far were mostly fighting "neutrals" around Loes and the only plexers are stabbed ships (or stabbed alts of DnD alliance members with their mains hanging about )
Its funny how the "neutrals" usually side with the stronger faction in each warzone.. I saw this while i was in the amarr mil and now seeing the same in the caldari mil
But since there are so many well established corps/alliances in the gal militia, why won't 1 of you switch over? You will still have the same quality members and you can fight against the other gal mil with BS or capitals or whatever the hell you want. Also if your that good i'm sure you will be able to find ppl in the cal militia that will gladly join an organized corp/alliance
Question is are you really looking for good fights and a challenge or is it too comfortable to have it easy..
p.s not saying everyone should move over and then turn the tide.. Just enough to keep it interesting
And lastly on a side note, why is the gal/mil warzone so big? Kinda feels there are too many systems and not enough ppl to actually occupy them (amarr/min have much less) |

Shadow Adanza
Quantum Cats Syndicate Samurai Pizza Cats
73
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Posted - 2013.05.10 18:56:00 -
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Deen Wispa wrote:Wolfsdragoon wrote:Super Chair wrote:Wolfsdragoon wrote:SamuelofR247 > sorry bro, you're not on my target list tonight
Then he blocked me, yeah man cal mil is definitely looking for fights.
Nenna is only a mere 3 jumps rakapas They were already formed up for caldari, and despite not being in an optimal fleet for fighting us they still came and tried. You seem to miss the point though, being that there is no real place to go and fight cal mil. Yo dawg! I heard your 10 man gang ran into a 10 man Cal Mil gang in Enaluri last night. They wouldn't fight you but a 5 man QCat caracal gang decided to fight you instead  Well, to be fair: QCats will engage just about anything. And we did have a 6th Caracal. :P Hey! You're no zombie! |

Shadow Adanza
Quantum Cats Syndicate Samurai Pizza Cats
73
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Posted - 2013.05.10 19:07:00 -
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Rob Lorence wrote: But since there are so many well established corps/alliances in the gal militia, why won't 1 of you switch over? You will still have the same quality members and you can fight against the other gal mil with BS or capitals or whatever the hell you want. Also if your that good i'm sure you will be able to find ppl in the cal militia that will gladly join an organized corp/alliance
Question is are you really looking for good fights and a challenge or is it too comfortable to have it easy..
p.s not saying everyone should move over and then turn the tide.. Just enough to keep it interesting
And lastly on a side note, why is the gal/mil warzone so big? Kinda feels there are too many systems and not enough ppl to actually occupy them (amarr/min have much less)
Uh... because nobody wants to deal with the Caldari drama llama? If Caldari would chill with all their in house squabbling, they won't need a Gallente corp to swap over. They're pretty strong in their own right when they're not fussing at each other. Instead of asking for a Gallente corp to swap over, why not step up and work together with the rest of the Caldari militia? Maybe move a couple alliances to one "home system" and live there for a couple months building trust amongst each other and learning to work with each other instead of staking out and each trying to do their own thing.
Hey! You're no zombie! |

Rob Lorence
Dedicated Individuals Conditioned to Kill B O R G
11
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Posted - 2013.05.10 20:54:00 -
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Quote:Uh... because nobody wants to deal with the Caldari drama llama? If Caldari would chill with all their in house squabbling, they won't need a Gallente corp to swap over. They're pretty strong in their own right when they're not fussing at each other. Instead of asking for a Gallente corp to swap over, why not step up and work together with the rest of the Caldari militia? Maybe move a couple alliances to one "home system" and live there for a couple months building trust amongst each other and learning to work with each other instead of staking out and each trying to do their own thing.
No idea what drama llama your talking about.. Then again this isn't null so who cares about politics? This is just about the pew, not fighting over tech moons here (hell you guys aren't even taking out vulnerable systems)
Who knows.. Maybe you guys will indeed get the "good fights" your hoping for in a couple of months, whats for sure ppl in your militia are just gonna keep moaning about it without actually doing anything about it. From some carrier kill: " Arth Lawing GÇó 9 hours ago
Constant bumping got the kill, so props to the galmil who kept trying all the way. HORN's dedication to trying to keep it safe did themselves proud, proving they're still ready to bring it. One of the real gf's in a while so props all round. If only the Caldari were able to come anywhere near the ability of HORN then the FW warzone would be a much more interesting place." |

Major Killz
189
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Posted - 2013.05.11 15:34:00 -
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Rob Lorence wrote:So far were mostly fighting "neutrals" around Loes and the only plexers are stabbed ships (or stabbed alts of DnD alliance members with their mains hanging about )
Its funny how the "neutrals" usually side with the stronger faction in each warzone.. I saw this while i was in the amarr mil and now seeing the same in the caldari mil
But since there are so many well established corps/alliances in the gal militia, why won't 1 of you switch over? You will still have the same quality members and you can fight against the other gal mil with BS or capitals or whatever the hell you want. Also if your that good i'm sure you will be able to find ppl in the cal militia that will gladly join an organized corp/alliance
Question is are you really looking for good fights and a challenge or is it too comfortable to have it easy..
p.s not saying everyone should move over and then turn the tide.. Just enough to keep it interesting
And lastly on a side note, why is the gal/mil warzone so big? Kinda feels there are too many systems and not enough ppl to actually occupy them (amarr/min have much less)
From what I've seen. Most Gallente corporations and pilots are not THAT good. The Caldari are just THAT bad and how you judge performance is a relative measure. For example: when Chaotic Tranquillity and I were in factional warfare I could count our competent pilots on one hand and 3 fingers and our really good pilots on 2 fingers. As for our fleet commanders. I'll leave that up to whom ever has engaged those commanders. However we had 4 total and 2 active.
How do I make that comparative determination? I compared the our pilots to the best pilots we had = )
As far as why Caldari don't attract more competent entities from the Amarr, Gallente or Minmatar side or anywhere. Pilots and entities tend to gravitate to the "good" or winning side and become "good" VICARIOUSLY. STANDINGS IS A BIG ISSUE TOO. However, the vast majority of entities in game who engage in combat are made up of "grunts" or a more appropriate euphemism would be "F1 monkey's" = ) There are only 2 hand full of entities like a Genos Occidere. Entities where all their pilots are capable of leading engagements and fly solo and are required to fly solo to join. Every other corporation and alliance I have seen and been in are made up of mostly grunts or "F1 monkey's". Not that it's a bad thing. Numbers and scale are important when achieving serious goals.
With that said. Looking back @ when Chaotic Tranquillity and I were in factional warfare. The leaders in our corporation wanted to join the Gallente side because the Caldari side was considered "bad". So, I made the argument to join the Caldari side for that reason. The prospective I gained was amusing. One of them being something I should have already known. Simply put. Alot of the pilots were just not "good". I found engaging easy. At-least when I was solo and in fleets with our MOST competent pilots.
Infact when I was leading we didn't lose much and even when we did lose; we did ALOT of damage at significant disadvantage. Mind you I lead from the front and by example. By that I mean I scouted and was the first one to start an engagement and last to leave (last to leave most of the time). Meaning I was in more danger than anyone else. Which is not the smartest way to lead a fleet (works better when everyone in your fleet is good and can lead once you go down though).
Anyway. I was not on most of the time and I didn't lead fleets all the time. So, I did see alot of head bashing outcomes when I was not around, after the fact. Based on those engagements against our worse pilots. Those considered "good" Gallente militia pilots and corporations were doing OK at best (1 to 1 losses with more numbers and wining) and at worse losing engagements (in funny ways). To me, I consider that bad because I considered Chaotic Tranquillity bad @ that time. How can you be good if you're losing to bad so much and with more or even numbers?
The only Gallente militia entities I took seriously at that time that I can remember were; SOTF, PLAYBOYS, QCATS, DARK RISING. That's a small list and the list of GREAT pilots is even smaller. I found that many on the Gallente "top killer" list to be easy to engage solo.
role play on***One day though... One day there will be a Caldari Jesus to delivery the militia from obscurity to GREATNESS and on that day I will be weeping tears of JOY. *** role play off.
TLDR: Gallente have too many corporations and pilots who consider themselves good VICARIOUSLY. Caldari are bad and have only 2 or less entities able to attract those who like to orbit around stars and those who are stars like to be around other stars (lol dumb analogy). Most Gallente corporations are bad and if they joined the Caldari side they would figure it out quickly. So why join losers when you could be a winner by association. Also standings is a BIG reason why too.
- killz |

Rob Lorence
Dedicated Individuals Conditioned to Kill B O R G
11
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Posted - 2013.05.11 17:49:00 -
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I've never been this active on the eve forums but i can't help myself from commenting..
Other than patting yourself on the back for being oh so awesome when you and yours were in FW. All that long post had a single point (relevant to the thread) which is Quote:Most Gallente corporations are bad and if they joined the Caldari side they would figure it out quickly. So why join losers when you could be a winner by association.
And if you think FW can be "won" by a corp with only the 10 best pilots in game (keeping it a small number so you can still count with your fingers ) then your wrong. Its about having a lot of ppl who press F1 and a well structured group of corps/alliances working together as the gallente did not too long ago.
So ya caldari are bad or not organized or whatever (i'm still enjoying it).. I'm just saying if some ppl in the gallente find it so annoying and complain about it all the time, do something about it so you can get your "good fights" |
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Deen Wispa
Justified Chaos
522
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Posted - 2013.05.11 18:53:00 -
[51] - Quote
Rob Lorence wrote:
So ya caldari are bad or not organized or whatever (i'm still enjoying it).. I'm just saying if some ppl in the gallente find it so annoying and complain about it all the time, do something about it so you can get your "good fights"
He just said standings was a huge huge for people not switching over. Amongst many other factors. What part of this do you not understand?
High Five. Yeah! C'est La Eve . |

Rob Lorence
Dedicated Individuals Conditioned to Kill B O R G
11
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Posted - 2013.05.11 19:24:00 -
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Deen Wispa wrote:Rob Lorence wrote:
So ya caldari are bad or not organized or whatever (i'm still enjoying it).. I'm just saying if some ppl in the gallente find it so annoying and complain about it all the time, do something about it so you can get your "good fights"
He just said standings was a huge huge for people not switching over. Amongst many other factors. What part of this do you not understand?
What i don't understand is why you insist on making up excuses.. No one said the only solution is to move to the caldari mil (hint - see your own quote)
Quote:Now what I'd really like to see is the US TZ Amarr organizations go up against the US TZ Gallente organizations. Best of the best. Death match. Winner takes all!
Stop complaining about what other ppl do or don't do in order to increase your amusement and give you a challenge .
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Major Killz
190
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Posted - 2013.05.11 21:40:00 -
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Takes awhile and alot get to threw to people. You say to little and they stay in their ignorance. You say to much and are too honest in your opinions and you're seen as confident and there by arrogant. Say too little and they miss the point entirely. Then you have a special group who some would call "sick kids" with "special needs".
Unlike some I don't do self aggrandizement (at-least not seriously unless I want to annoy some terribubble) and I'm fairly self depreciating.
I respect those who are superior to myself and will say as much and have on this forum. However, I do so with intent to surpass them and that respect may not be towards the individual, just their skill.
Some would say I've insulted my own corporation and it's members/friends. I'm often viewed as a Caldari traitor and a Gallente sympathizer instead of a realist who acknowledges ability, inabilities and realities.
Also you can "WIN" in factional warfare. Many battles and wars are won and lost in fact. As far as what you believe to be a "well structured" group of corporations and alliances in the Gallente militia. You'll find that in 0.0 (null) and not anything that structured in factional warfare. I've been in corporations like "Shadows of the federation" and many other "ELITE" alliances and corporation in factional warfare, low and 0.0. There was organization as far as combat. Otherwise most Factional warfare leadership can be and are often AFK. There's no need for a strong management structure or even FLEET DOCTRINE. I've already referred to that reality in a previous post.
- killz |

Phox Jorkarzul
Deep Void Merc Syndicate Villore Accords
29
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Posted - 2013.05.12 04:22:00 -
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Combatevolved wrote:Chatgris is right.
Get to innia. Templis Dragonaors are taking Eha.
Does going to Innia still an option or where did you all move now Blasters for life
https://neverpheedthetroll.blogspot.com |

Combatevolved
Caldari Colonial Defense Ministry Templis Dragonaors
12
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Posted - 2013.05.12 04:36:00 -
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Phox Jorkarzul wrote:Combatevolved wrote:Chatgris is right.
Get to innia. Templis Dragonaors are taking Eha. Does going to Innia still an option or where did you all move now
We will be back in Innia within a day.
I think everyone in new eden knows where we are now stationed. |

Scylus Black
Caldari Colonial Defense Ministry Templis Dragonaors
16
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Posted - 2013.05.15 00:46:00 -
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Templis Dragonaors certainly is not failscading. Chatgris thanks for pointing that out.
The issue with CalMil are not the pilots. It's the leadership. You don't have to have been an NFL player to be an NFL coach. However you do need the right pilot for the team. My corporation (CCDM) is not a fit for every pilot and our Alliance, Templis Dragonaors, is not a fit for every Corporation.
We are in it for the long haul. Did it suck getting pushed out of Innia? You bet and a heck of a lot of fun too. Our pilots developed a lot and had great fights. We are looking for many more. So you may not want to come fight us in our tricked out frigs and dessys with racing stripes. We'll come to you . We look forward to partnering with other Alliances in CalMil who share similar goals. Which for us is simple. Check your ego at the door and remember why you are here. We play to win. Win as a team, lose as a... You get the idea.
What I do know:
The state of CalMil didn't get this way over night and won't get better over night.
Also Geographical Cures don't work. You just end up bringing the problem with you.
Best,
Scylus Scylus Black - CEO / Executor Templis Dragonaors Alliance Caldari Colonial Defense Ministry http://www.caldaridefense.com/
CCDM Is recruiting UK/EU Pilots!
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IbanezLaney
The Church of Awesome Caldari State Capturing
373
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Posted - 2013.05.15 01:51:00 -
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There isn't really much drama in CalMil.
Occasionally people don't agree and a few people do get overly invested in eve but that happens on all sides.
Drama only effects those who let it.
As far as leadership in Caldari. That's a very complex issue. There are a few different types of people all with good ideas but very different attitudes.
There are the type who are 'It gets in the dplex or else it gets the hose again' type of people.
There are the 'Fuuuu 4 min left on this - screw the LP - im bored whats next door - oh 3 more private chat windows poped up (dock and chat for an hour) ' -Admittedly I'm this one. Eve is as much about being social as shooting spaceships for me.
Then you have the 'I just joined FW - I'm gonna come in and show you how FW should be played - oh fuuu you guys are not listening or doing what I want - please play eve my way for a few weeks.'
Just my observations. Fix this **** See Sea Pea. |

Juan Rayo
Justified Chaos
92
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Posted - 2013.05.15 02:32:00 -
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IbanezLaney wrote: There are the 'Fuuuu 4 min left on this - screw the LP - im bored whats next door - oh 3 more private chat windows poped up (dock and chat for an hour) ' -Admittedly I'm this one. Eve is as much about being social as shooting spaceships for me. .
And so I now know how to take you out of a fight :)
I-¦m the same pretty much. |
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