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EvilweaselSA
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
708
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Posted - 2013.05.07 22:54:00 -
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Alekseyev Karrde wrote: Is it time to start talking about CCP and CSM7 using STV to rig the election against nullsec candidates?
well you did try with that first iteration (the "throw out overvotes" one), though trebor pretty much owned up to doing that |
Zhade Lezte
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
108
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Posted - 2013.05.07 22:55:00 -
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Alekseyev Karrde wrote:Is it time to start talking about CCP and CSM7 using STV to rig the election against nullsec candidates?
Confirming that this method is literally as bad as the abortive "screw null blocks" fakeSTV that was proposed beforehand
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Bagehi
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
160
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Posted - 2013.05.07 22:57:00 -
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I might be doing it wrong, but I came up with these numbers:
mynnna - 7116 (5782+1334) Ripard Teg - 4899 (4181+718) Kesper North - 4432.796796 (918+3514.796796) Sort Dragon - 4171 (3263+908) Mangala Solaris - 3620 (2681+939) Malcanis - 3463.199636 (1497+1966.199636) Sala Cameron - 3300.173031 (1550+1750) Trebor Daehdoow - 3281.294495 (2034+1247) progodlegend - 3216 (2328+888) Ali Aras - 3162 (2113+1049) Korvin - 3091.282 (2065+1026.282) Mike Azariah - 2885.069921 (1707+1178.069921) James Arget - 2651.595968 (1624+1027.595968) Chitsa Jason - 2612.741514 (1668+944)
Elimination: Nathan Jameson - 2430.012765 (1616+814.012765) Elimination: Banlish - 2173.439348 (1213+960.439348)
(first choice + transferred votes) |
Zhade Lezte
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
108
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Posted - 2013.05.07 23:05:00 -
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I'm curious to what extent that low HBC vote could have been best corrected by improved get out the vote effort and to what extent it could have been best improved by somehow making that coalition more cohesive (especially considering recent events...) Of course these factors probably overlap, but vOv. Also not commenting myself as I don't have nearly enough experience with the HBC entities and their relations at the time of the election to make even vaguely intelligent speculation. |
Frying Doom
2473
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Posted - 2013.05.07 23:13:00 -
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mynnna wrote:Null bloc votes, as identified by Two Step: 9823+10957+5999 = 26799, 53.9% of the votes Null bloc candidates: Five (Myself, Kesper, Sort, Sala and Progodlegend), which is about 35% of the council. I suppose you could count Malcanis as well, as the HBC ballot was instrumental in electing him and he is technically part of the bloc, but even that's only 42%. Basically, I'm saying that I think the people who were claiming that STV is all about rigging it for nullsec (ya'll know who you are) can put down their tinfoil hats. If anything we're under represented. Nice to know
Out of curiosity has anyone run the base numbers through to see what the council would have looked liked using FPTP? Any spelling and grammatical errors are because frankly, I don't care!! |
EvilweaselSA
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
708
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Posted - 2013.05.07 23:16:00 -
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Frying Doom wrote: Out of curiosity has anyone run the base numbers through to see what the council would have looked liked using FPTP?
You can't, as voting patterns would have been much different. |
Ali Aras
Valkyries of Night Of Sound Mind
257
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Posted - 2013.05.07 23:18:00 -
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Frying Doom wrote:mynnna wrote:Null bloc votes, as identified by Two Step: 9823+10957+5999 = 26799, 53.9% of the votes Null bloc candidates: Five (Myself, Kesper, Sort, Sala and Progodlegend), which is about 35% of the council. I suppose you could count Malcanis as well, as the HBC ballot was instrumental in electing him and he is technically part of the bloc, but even that's only 42%. Basically, I'm saying that I think the people who were claiming that STV is all about rigging it for nullsec (ya'll know who you are) can put down their tinfoil hats. If anything we're under represented. Nice to know Out of curiosity has anyone run the base numbers through to see what the council would have looked liked using FPTP? You can do this using the initial votes -- just look at the starting numbers at http://dontshootx.com/auditLog.txt .
For those who don't wanna click the link, it'd be:
mynnna Ripard Teg Sort Dragon Mangala Solaris progodlegend Ali Aras Korvin Trebor Daehdoow Mike Azariah Greene Lee Chitsa Jason James Arget Nathan Jameson Sala Cameron
On the other hand, that's with a swap in the middle -- people's election and GOTV strategies likely would have been wildly different in a non-STV election. I'm working on my own long post about what kind of voters voted, for whom, and with what completeness-of-ballot, but it has to wait for me to finish my actual RL stuff first ;-) http://warp-to-sun.tumblr.com -- my blog |
DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
994
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Posted - 2013.05.07 23:24:00 -
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Benny Ohu wrote:ah, the csm tags changed hands
i hope you drycleaned them
Who got Darius III's soiled tags? An' then [email protected], he come scramblin outta theTerminal room screaming "The system's crashing! The system'scrashing!" -Uncle RAMus, 'Tales for Cyberpsychotic Children' |
Frying Doom
2473
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Posted - 2013.05.07 23:24:00 -
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EvilweaselSA wrote:Frying Doom wrote: Out of curiosity has anyone run the base numbers through to see what the council would have looked liked using FPTP?
You can't, as voting patterns would have been much different. Very possibly, but it is nice to see as a persons preferred candidate should be in their first place. Unless they were voting like sheep of course. Any spelling and grammatical errors are because frankly, I don't care!! |
EvilweaselSA
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
709
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Posted - 2013.05.07 23:26:00 -
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Frying Doom wrote: Very possibly, but it is nice to see as a persons preferred candidate should be in their first place. Unless they were voting like sheep of course.
No, you don't really get it: it's in FPTP that strategic voting is so important, not in STV. |
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Frying Doom
2473
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Posted - 2013.05.07 23:27:00 -
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DarthNefarius wrote:Benny Ohu wrote:ah, the csm tags changed hands
i hope you drycleaned them Who got Darius III's soiled tags? I would be more inclined to make sure Trebor didn't pull a fast one and trade out his old cursed tag. Any spelling and grammatical errors are because frankly, I don't care!! |
Benny Ohu
Chaotic Tranquility Casoff
1077
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Posted - 2013.05.07 23:27:00 -
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DarthNefarius wrote:Benny Ohu wrote:ah, the csm tags changed hands
i hope you drycleaned them Who got Darius III's soiled tags? oh dear |
Frying Doom
2473
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Posted - 2013.05.07 23:30:00 -
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EvilweaselSA wrote:Frying Doom wrote: Very possibly, but it is nice to see as a persons preferred candidate should be in their first place. Unless they were voting like sheep of course.
No, you don't really get it: it's in FPTP that strategic voting is so important, not in STV. First choices count a lot in an STV election. I believe they actually posted the weightings on first preference as well. Any spelling and grammatical errors are because frankly, I don't care!! |
Mike Azariah
Gallente Benevolence Association
307
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Posted - 2013.05.07 23:32:00 -
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DarthNefarius wrote:Benny Ohu wrote:ah, the csm tags changed hands
i hope you drycleaned them Who got Darius III's soiled tags?
Oh I hope I did . . . that way I would know I had ones that were just like new, not having been used at all over the past 2 years except taken out of the linen closet for special occasions.
m
Mike Azariah-á CSM8 |
EvilweaselSA
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
709
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Posted - 2013.05.07 23:35:00 -
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Frying Doom wrote: First choices count a lot in an STV election. I believe they actually posted the weightings on first preference as well.
That's not what I said. What I said was that strategic voting was far more important in FPTP than STV. This means that in FPTP, you will be far more likely to vote strategically than in STV. This means that a bunch of STV ballots are useless at figuring out who would win a FPTP vote. |
Katrina Bekers
Rim Collection RC Test Alliance Please Ignore
160
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Posted - 2013.05.07 23:35:00 -
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So our ticket was used to elect two PL guys, in the name of a dissolved coalition - and we voted right before they left. Or they left just after getting our vote - same deal.
And keep a true ~wordsmaster~ like Banlish, with a knowledge rivaling the official wiki AND e-uni wiki, and a dedication to write words second only to Tolkien, out of the tables.
Lorded and screwed over.
Again. << THE RABBLE BRIGADE >> |
Unforgiven Storm
Eternity INC. Goonswarm Federation
357
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Posted - 2013.05.07 23:38:00 -
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the wormhole guys fought until the last round...
Pre-elimination talley: [('"Korvin"', 3091.2816113156814), ('"Mike Azariah"', 2885.0699196088012), ('"James Arget"', 2651.5959676578964), ('"Chitsa Jason"', 2612.7415140309704), ('"Nathan Jameson"', 2430.0127649963897)] Round over, "Nathan Jameson" eliminated, 10 elected, 14 remain Test 1, 2, 3... |
Rhivre
TarNec
118
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Posted - 2013.05.07 23:42:00 -
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Do we have numbers for what % of people actually filled out all 14 voting spots on the ballot?
From anecdotal stuff, it seems that a lot of people only voted for 1-4 candidates |
Mike Azariah
Gallente Benevolence Association
309
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Posted - 2013.05.07 23:45:00 -
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http://content.eveonline.com/www/newssystem/media/64529/1/CSM8_Stats_1st_pic.png
That would be this graph in the dev blog wouldn't it?
m Mike Azariah-á CSM8 |
Frying Doom
2473
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Posted - 2013.05.07 23:46:00 -
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Katrina Bekers wrote:So our ticket was used to elect two PL guys, in the name of a dissolved coalition - and we voted right before they left. Or they left just after getting our vote - same deal.
And keep a true ~wordsmaster~ like Banlish, with a knowledge rivaling the official wiki AND e-uni wiki, and a dedication to write words second only to Tolkien, out of the tables.
Lorded and screwed over.
Again. Maybe next time you will vote how you want, rather than how you are told. Any spelling and grammatical errors are because frankly, I don't care!! |
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Salpun
Paramount Commerce
493
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Posted - 2013.05.07 23:46:00 -
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Rhivre wrote:Do we have numbers for what % of people actually filled out all 14 voting spots on the ballot?
From anecdotal stuff, it seems that a lot of people only voted for 1-4 candidates 16769
first list on the dev blog |
Salpun
Paramount Commerce
493
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Posted - 2013.05.07 23:48:00 -
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Yes but actual numbers are on the first list. At least that is how I see it. |
Rhivre
TarNec
118
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Posted - 2013.05.07 23:49:00 -
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its late, and I havent had coffee for 2-3 hours......
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Frying Doom
2473
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Posted - 2013.05.07 23:50:00 -
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EvilweaselSA wrote:Frying Doom wrote: Very possibly, but it is nice to see as a persons preferred candidate should be in their first place. Unless they were voting like sheep of course.
No, you don't really get it: it's in FPTP that strategic voting is so important, not in STV. You might want to tell that to the members of TEST Any spelling and grammatical errors are because frankly, I don't care!! |
None ofthe Above
561
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Posted - 2013.05.07 23:50:00 -
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CCP Dolan wrote:I would like to personally apologize for the delay in the publication of this blog and the full list of ballots. In preparing for the blog we discovered that 3 of the 49,702 votes had somehow entered the same candidates into multiple preference slots. This action provides no advantage in a Wright-STV election, but we wanted to take the time to figure out how these votes were generated and that they were not indicative of a larger problem.
After some extensive testing we are fairly certain that, while fiddling with the ballot website, a user(s) found a way to modify his own vote submission in the backend of the ballot that created duplication of candidates in their ballot. This was limited to only their own individual ballot selection and had no effect on the outcome of the election. We will be sure that we add a check for this ballot error in the future. Because candidate duplication provides no advantage in a Wright-STV election, we have not removed these ballots, and they can still be found in the blog linked above.
"Formatting?"
Anyway I was concerned that something like this may have happened. I am glad you fellows found it and it wasn't too severe. I hope you voted, you glorious but often apathetic bastards! STV working as intended; Pre-elections and Get out the Vote, room for improvement. |
None ofthe Above
561
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Posted - 2013.05.07 23:52:00 -
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Katrina Bekers wrote:So our ticket was used to elect two PL guys, in the name of a dissolved coalition - and we voted right before they left. Or they left just after getting our vote - same deal.
And keep a true ~wordsmaster~ like Banlish, with a knowledge rivaling the official wiki AND e-uni wiki, and a dedication to write words second only to Tolkien, out of the tables.
Lorded and screwed over.
Again.
TEST vote, please ignore? I hope you voted, you glorious but often apathetic bastards! STV working as intended; Pre-elections and Get out the Vote, room for improvement. |
Katrina Bekers
Rim Collection RC Test Alliance Please Ignore
162
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Posted - 2013.05.07 23:58:00 -
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Frying Doom wrote:Maybe next time you will vote how you want, rather than how you are told.
And the funny part is that I didn't follow the ticket, but voted MY candidates as first two positions, then the rest of the ticket as proposed by our so-called bigwigs.
And for this, I was ripped a new one on our forums, and keep reading that I'm still wrong.
I swear, some people are thicker than 1600mm rolled tungsten. Even in front of glaring evidence, they still prefer to bend over.
Repeatedly. << THE RABBLE BRIGADE >> |
Steve Ronuken
Fuzzwork Enterprises
1385
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Posted - 2013.05.08 00:05:00 -
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What's the bet that the majority of the people who voted for 14 candidates were using the bookmarklet that was put together?
Of course, for /most/ people, the stats say taking it past 5 or so votes wouldn't make a /huge/ difference. Though that's probably in part due to people not taking it past 5 votes or so. Steve Ronuken for CSM 9!-á I'm starting early :) Handy tools and an SDE conversion Twitter: @fuzzysteve on Twitter |
Frying Doom
2474
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Posted - 2013.05.08 00:05:00 -
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Katrina Bekers wrote:Frying Doom wrote:Maybe next time you will vote how you want, rather than how you are told. And the funny part is that I didn't follow the ticket, but voted MY candidates as first two positions, then the rest of the ticket as proposed by our so-called bigwigs. And for this, I was ripped a new one on our forums, and keep reading that I'm still wrong. I swear, some people are thicker than 1600mm rolled tungsten. Even in front of glaring evidence, they still prefer to bend over. Repeatedly. I am glad you voted as you saw fit, rather than the mindless zombie routine. It is not so much as people are thick, oh wait yes it is sorry about that Any spelling and grammatical errors are because frankly, I don't care!! |
EvilweaselSA
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
710
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Posted - 2013.05.08 00:06:00 -
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Frying Doom wrote:EvilweaselSA wrote:Frying Doom wrote: Very possibly, but it is nice to see as a persons preferred candidate should be in their first place. Unless they were voting like sheep of course.
No, you don't really get it: it's in FPTP that strategic voting is so important, not in STV. You might want to tell that to the members of TEST hey they got the candidates they wanted, the candidates just didn't want them lawl |
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