Yes, the actions of the Fleet today were wrong (to put it mildly...). And yes, the problem does seem to be with Shakor's administration itself (this is not confirmed, however).


But frankly, this request of yours, Graelyn, is a very blatantly clear attempt at getting us into a position for your nation to "easily" launch your Reclaiming without fear of retaliation, and anyone reading your request should have no trouble seeing it for what it is.

But frankly, this request of yours, Graelyn, is a very blatantly clear attempt at getting us into a position for your nation to "easily" launch your Reclaiming without fear of retaliation, and anyone reading your request should have no trouble seeing it for what it is.

Considering Shakor's history with CONCORD, I'm surprised they haven't done anything.

Huhn. Did I just agree with Graelyn?

Hypocrites.

The nation that's forcibly invaded, occupied, kidnapped and enslaved billions is calling someone else out? The nation that started wars of aggression against its' own people on Athra and then spread those wars to the stars? Laughable.

The Republic government was wrong for its' actions against the Federation. The vast majority of Minmatar feel this way and are working to figure out how to correct this situation and we WILL correct it.

In the meantime, you hypocritical warmongers in the Empire need to look in a mirror before you attempt to pass judgement on others.

Hey slaver, did you miss the paragraph wherein I stated:

"The Republic government was wrong for its' actions against the Federation. The vast majority of Minmatar feel this way and are working to figure out how to correct this situation and we WILL correct it." ?

In the meantime, we sure as hell don't need you lot of warmongers wagging your filthy fingers at us. You have absolutely no right to be condemning others for actions you took in the past and some of you are clamoring for again.

I agree with the suggestion, Maleatu Shakor is a problem for the cluster.

As for those claiming this opens the door to the Reclaiming, Heir Merimeth Sarum has called for it before the unfortunate events that lead to this call. And, in the past, the powers have had the power to ignore CONCORD everytime they want to, as the Republic has done again now. So I don't see how it changes anything to be or not a signatary of the Convention, specially for Shakor, who apparently likes to break those accords without any double thoughts.

So no, the Reclaiming isn't held back by CONCORD. It's held back because the Empress and other factions in the Empire don't want war, and as long as that remains such, the Imperial Navy will hold back. Lets hope it lasts.

Your points will be dismissed out of hand simply due to who you are, Cardinal.

Hypocrites.

The nation that's forcibly invaded, occupied, kidnapped and enslaved billions is calling someone else out? The nation that started wars of aggression against its' own people on Athra and then spread those wars to the stars? Laughable.

The Republic government was wrong for its' actions against the Federation. The vast majority of Minmatar feel this way and are working to figure out how to correct this situation and we WILL correct it.

You support the Empire, its government and political institutions, its culture, religion and its "reclaiming" policy do you not? You've fought in support of these things have you not?

In my view, that makes you as guilty of the crime of slavery as the one who rounds up the unfortunate souls and herds them to the transport ships.

But, if it makes you feel better, I'll just refer to you as "imperial" from now on. Happy now?

CONCORD was here after the attack on Yulai HQ.
CONCORD was here at the battle of Caldari Prime.
CONCORD was here when the RSS crossed the Federal border.

Anabella, sister, I know you are upset.

Not now, not here. Anything any of us says now will be subject to misinterpretation, scrutiny, and reprisal.

Calm down, please?

Problem with captain Rella, captain Starfire, is that she's always angry and her words ar always the same "doesn't matter what we do now, you did it worse a hundred years ago and still hold our slaves". And, unfortunately, it's voices like hers that are often heard above the voices of those willing to discuss, willing to find neutral ground, willing to solve problems.

Incorrect, imperial. Don't you dare presume to know what's in my heart.

I am willing to consider any reasonable proposals that would bring a lasting peace. However, so long as you and yours cling to the notion that you are a superior race divinely ordained to rule over the rest of humanity and use force to subjugate others, what is there to talk about? No matter what I may say your trump card always falls to "God wills it and we must follow his commands".

I have discussed and found common ground with those of goodwill no matter their race, nationality or political alignment. With those who harbor no such desire for common ground what is there to say? Where is your willingness to compromise, pilot? I've seen damned little of that in any of your posts.

Problem with captain Rella, captain Starfire, is that she's always angry and her words ar always the same "doesn't matter what we do now, you did it worse a hundred years ago and still hold our slaves". And, unfortunately, it's voices like hers that are often heard above the voices of those willing to discuss, willing to find neutral ground, willing to solve problems.

Unfortunately, she also happens to be right.

The Republic government was wrong for its' actions against the Federation. The vast majority of Minmatar feel this way and are working to figure out how to correct this situation and we WILL correct it.

I do think it's important to draw a distinction here between the Matari in the Republic and those elsewhere, Graelyn. It's not the Matari who have shown their nature, it's the Republic, an entity which does not even represent a simple majority of free Minmatar.

Too right.

Especially when I, as a Minmatar, am in agreement with him. Not to mention the Minmatar in the fold of the Amarr faith.

Sometimes people forget that the majority of all Matari, everywhere, live in the Empire. Only 1/4 of their population reside in the Republic.

Nearly as many, 1/5, in the Federation.

Food for thought.

I do think it's important to draw a distinction here between the Matari in the Republic and those elsewhere, Graelyn. It's not the Matari who have shown their nature, it's the Republic, an entity which does not even represent a simple majority of free Minmatar.

Rest assured most dread Lady, there are those of us who have been giving GÇ£demographicsGÇ¥ a considerable amount of thought of late.

Don't bother trying to draw a destinction between the Republic as a nation and the Minmatar as a people my friend. No matter how clearly and blatantly you refer to the Republic as a political entity and not a racial one, people will still accuse you of being racist because it's the only (pitiful) defense they can turn to, but I digress.

Sometimes people forget that the majority of all Matari, everywhere, live in the Empire.

Yes, people too readily forget, it is an unfortunate truth.

It does make you wonder how the Republicans can continue to be so head-fast and believe that they know what's best for all Minmatar.

Yet when an Ammatar speaks out against the actions of the Republic - it is dismissed because 'they're brainwashed'.

Funny, isn't it?

When a Minmatar pirate speaks out against the Republic - their points are dismissed because of a moral high-ground that the Republicans take.

... Hmm.

Such blindness. And to think, that my sibling pilots condemn me for chastising this decadent, unruly horde of war-mongers and their whores.

Yes, people too readily forget, it is an unfortunate truth.

It does make you wonder how the Republicans can continue to be so head-fast and believe that they know what's best for all Minmatar.

Yet when an Ammatar speaks out against the actions of the Republic - it is dismissed because 'they're brainwashed'.

Funny, isn't it?

When a Minmatar pirate speaks out against the Republic - their points are dismissed because of a moral high-ground that the Republicans take.

... Hmm.

Such blindness. And to think, that my sibling pilots condemn me for chastising this decadent, unruly horde of war-mongers and their whores.

I feel removing the Republic from the Yulai Convention will only make them want to violate it more. Even though these violations have been total failures in achieving anything, they still have claimed countless lies.

The solution is for CONCORD to impose strict sanctions upon the Republic and for the nations of New Eden to make both political and economic embargoes on the Republic.

These actions and others, will punish the Republic for their crimes until they atone for them. Most importantly, such measures will make a bold statement that it is possible to take action and make changes without resorting to mindless, chaotic, violence.

Your desires for punitive measures against the Republic will not affect the government, the entity that actually gave the order to violate Federal space. Sanctions will only hurt the average Matari who had nothing to do with the debacle. Punishing the average person will only serve to create an "us vs them" mentality among even those who feel that what the government did was wrong. The tribes will band together behind their current leaders, as they have done historically, when they perceive their people under attack by outsiders. In short, you'll get the opposite results to what you want.

Is it in anyone's interests to isolate the Republic in this manner and create a new group of radicalized individuals who will resort to the most extreme acts in order to fight what they'll see as injustice done to their people? And what about the Amarr? How would you all feel if they decided to seize this moment to attack?

Let's not get carried away with punishments, no matter how wronged we may feel. Let's remember that the majority of Minmatar do not want war and likely do not support this government. Far better to engage these people than to push them even further away and turn them all into hate-filled potential terrorists.

Tell me again how you wish we were friends, Halete?

However, so long as you and yours cling to the notion that you are a superior race divinely ordained to rule over the rest of humanity and use force to subjugate others, what is there to talk about?

Yes, people too readily forget, it is an unfortunate truth.

It does make you wonder how the Republicans can continue to be so head-fast and believe that they know what's best for all Minmatar.

Yet when an Ammatar speaks out against the actions of the Republic - it is dismissed because 'they're brainwashed'.

Funny, isn't it?

When a Minmatar pirate speaks out against the Republic - their points are dismissed because of a moral high-ground that the Republicans take.

... Hmm.

Such blindness. And to think, that my sibling pilots condemn me for chastising this decadent, unruly horde of war-mongers and their whores.

A good point, except that you still haven't been able to work out which Tribe is superior to all the other Tribes, let alone all the "lesser races" (read: Non-Matari) of New Eden. So even after you've fulfilled your dreams of enslaving & exterminating all non-Matari life in New Eden it still won't solve the problem: It will simply mean the return of inter-tribal fighting to determine who the real "Master Bloodline" is.