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Graelyn PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 441	Posted - 2013.05.07 21:48:00 - [1] - Quote It's unfortunate that it took the Federation this long to to encounter a scenario that would show them the true face of Shakor's Republic. The Caldari State is now the ONLY one of the Empires that has not been forcibly invaded by this government. Not this nation, but This Administration. I do not lightly make this statement given the closeness of recent tragedy, but the Republic led by Karin Midular would never have been this stupid, bloodthirsty, or reckless. The magnitude of her loss is made painfully evident not 24 hours after her passing; she was the only hope that any disciple of peace had for Amarr and Matari. It is apparent now that there is also little hope for peace between the Matari and anyone else. CONCORD should take a long hard look at the members of it's charter. Then they should remember how many lives they lost to a sneak attack by a Shakorite Warfleet. In a few short years, this government has boldly and blatantly attacked nearly every other CONCORD signatory entity, and CONCORD itself. CONCORD should remove the Minmatar Republic as a member state of the Yulai Convention until this chaotic rouge regime can be ended. + Cardinal Graelyn + Owner/Operator, "The Summit" YR113 Amarr Loyalist of the Year
Elsebeth Rhiannon Gradient Electus Matari 361	Posted - 2013.05.07 21:49:00 - [2] - Quote So, it took something like an hour for the Empire to start using this against us. Told you so, Republic Fleet. Elsebeth
Graelyn PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 441	Posted - 2013.05.07 21:51:00 - [3] - Quote It's not against the Republic, nor it's citizens. It is against the fool who has decided to use your people to break every agreement your nation ever ratified. + Cardinal Graelyn + Owner/Operator, "The Summit" YR113 Amarr Loyalist of the Year
Katarina Musana Phyrean Logistics Inc. 35	Posted - 2013.05.07 21:54:00 - [4] - Quote Yes, the actions of the Fleet today were wrong (to put it mildly...). And yes, the problem does seem to be with Shakor's administration itself (this is not confirmed, however). But frankly, this request of yours, Graelyn, is a very blatantly clear attempt at getting us into a position for your nation to "easily" launch your Reclaiming without fear of retaliation, and anyone reading your request should have no trouble seeing it for what it is.
Nicolas Merovech The Synenose Accord Celestial Imperative 29	Posted - 2013.05.07 21:57:00 - [5] - Quote This course of action will throw all of New Eden into chaos. We can hardly afford such a disturbance with other threats lurking in the dark of Anoikis and Nation territory. I'm afraid your reasoning has been clouded by your prejudice against the Matari people. One of the many virtues of post-humans is pragmatism; I encourage you to set your bias aside and see the big picture. Dr. Nicolas A. Merovech Warrant Officer The Synenose Accord
Makkal Hanaya Revenent Defence Corperation 403	Posted - 2013.05.07 22:01:00 - [6] - Quote Katarina Musana wrote: Yes, the actions of the Fleet today were wrong (to put it mildly...). And yes, the problem does seem to be with Shakor's administration itself (this is not confirmed, however). But frankly, this request of yours, Graelyn, is a very blatantly clear attempt at getting us into a position for your nation to "easily" launch your Reclaiming without fear of retaliation, and anyone reading your request should have no trouble seeing it for what it is. There is a viper in your house. That Graelyn is pointing it out makes it no less true. Do you truly believe that Shakor is all that stands between the Minmatar and the Reclamation? although my eyes were open they might have just as well've been closed
Graelyn PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 441	Posted - 2013.05.07 22:01:00 - [7] - Quote Katarina Musana wrote: But frankly, this request of yours, Graelyn, is a very blatantly clear attempt at getting us into a position for your nation to "easily" launch your Reclaiming without fear of retaliation, and anyone reading your request should have no trouble seeing it for what it is. CONCORD exists to maintain the state of peace between it's signatories. It is the reason it was founded. I ask them to do so, before the many elements among my own people, who are aching to be called upon for such a task, are convinced that it is up to them to act. I'm sure you would agree that this is preferable. + Cardinal Graelyn + Owner/Operator, "The Summit" YR113 Amarr Loyalist of the Year
Merdaneth Angel Wing. 221	Posted - 2013.05.07 22:10:00 - [8] - Quote First and foremost I am saddened by this unnecessary loss of life. Second, it is my opinion that as an Amarr loyalist this is not the time and place for me to call for any reconsideration of The Republic's place with the Concord charter. However, I am interested in how Republic supports, loyalists and other capsuleers associating themselves with the Republic Freedom Fighter movement (if I may call it that), view this situation. Do they condone and approve of this action, or do they reject it, and what kind of measures do they think should be taken. After all, the primary responsibility to clean their own house lies with them.
Xindi Kraid The Night Wardens Viro Mors Non Est 433	Posted - 2013.05.07 22:30:00 - [9] - Quote CONCORD has shown themselves to be wholly ineffectual, so I don't see what difference it makes whether the Republic (or any of the great nations) remain signatories of CONCORD and the Yulai convention.
Synthetic Cultist Church of The Crimson Saviour 163	Posted - 2013.05.07 22:35:00 - [10] - Quote Perhaps CONCORD should Enact a De-Militarised Zone in Heimatar and Metropolis, where No Ship larger than a Reaper may be operated by a Government Entity, until such time as this Situation is calmed. Any Intrusion by Other national forces would be in Breach of Treaty, and dealt with Severely.
Leopold Caine Stillwater Corporation 171	Posted - 2013.05.07 22:38:00 - [11] - Quote I suppose we'll just have to wait for the Republic to try to invade the Caldari State as well before someone takes some proper action against it. Some hundred years ago, people of new Eden set their differences aside and united to take down a power-crazy warmongering lunatic; those who don't learn from history are sadly doomed to repeat it. - Leopold Caine, Domination Malakim ___________________________ Angels are never far... Stillwater Corporation recruitment open.
Shintoko Akahoshi Pyre Falcon Defence Cadre XV-01A Pyre Falcon Defence Combine 50	Posted - 2013.05.07 22:47:00 - [12] - Quote Considering Shakor's history with CONCORD, I'm surprised they haven't done anything. Huhn. Did I just agree with Graelyn? Bio and writing
Makkal Hanaya Revenent Defence Corperation 406	Posted - 2013.05.07 22:58:00 - [13] - Quote Shintoko Akahoshi wrote: Considering Shakor's history with CONCORD, I'm surprised they haven't done anything. Huhn. Did I just agree with Graelyn? It only feels dirty the first time. although my eyes were open they might have just as well've been closed
Makoto Priano Priano Trans-Stellar State Services Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive 402	Posted - 2013.05.07 23:22:00 - [14] - Quote It is remarkable how little CONCORD actually seems to do, these days; their intervention prevents high-security space from becoming a free fire zone, but only just.
Lyn Farel Kitzless 490	Posted - 2013.05.08 00:08:00 - [15] - Quote Agreed. Yulai violations are not to be tolerated anymore. However, your proposal is flawed. If such case were to happen, it would make the Republic completely helpless against any kind of external threat, including the Amarr Empire, that would be more or less free to do whatever they want considering that they would not be attacking a CONCORD signatory and member anymore. My own petition is simple : the exact same one, with one more condition clearly stating that all Yulai signatories would be prohibited to engage in any hostile action in Republic space, except CONCORD itself.
Graelyn PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 452	Posted - 2013.05.08 04:50:00 - [16] - Quote That seems sensible. + Cardinal Graelyn + Owner/Operator, "The Summit" Amarr Loyalist of the Year --áYC113
Gaven Lok'ri PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 9	Posted - 2013.05.08 05:05:00 - [17] - Quote Edit: I see there is a better place for my comment. I approve of Graelyn's suggestion. Though I doubt CONCORD is capable of acting on it. Our Lord visited his flock and saw that all was not good.Blasphemy and heresy ruled the land.The Lord punished the sinners and drowned them in their own blood.-á
Rodj Blake Praetorian Auxiliary Force Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 1329	Posted - 2013.05.08 06:39:00 - [18] - Quote The Shakorite regime occupying Pator is a cancer that must be removed. Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
Sepherim PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 415	Posted - 2013.05.08 14:18:00 - [19] - Quote I agree with the suggestion, Maleatu Shakor is a problem for the cluster. As for those claiming this opens the door to the Reclaiming, Heir Merimeth Sarum has called for it before the unfortunate events that lead to this call. And, in the past, the powers have had the power to ignore CONCORD everytime they want to, as the Republic has done again now. So I don't see how it changes anything to be or not a signatary of the Convention, specially for Shakor, who apparently likes to break those accords without any double thoughts. So no, the Reclaiming isn't held back by CONCORD. It's held back because the Empress and other factions in the Empire don't want war, and as long as that remains such, the Imperial Navy will hold back. Lets hope it lasts. Sepherim Catillah Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris Liuteneant Ex-Imperial Navy Imperator Commander
Halete Pyre Falcon Defence Cadre XV-01A Pyre Falcon Defence Combine 804	Posted - 2013.05.08 14:36:00 - [20] - Quote Your points will be dismissed out of hand simply due to who you are, Cardinal. It is a shame. I am saddened that I must watch my errant ilk time and time again shed blood needlessly whilst hiding behind false promises, false treaties and false friendships. I fear that it is at a great personal cost that I admit this. I find myself asking 'Who will intervene?' But then I invariably continue 'Why is there cause for an intervention?' And then, more and more often, I'm caught up to by the sickening feeling that my people would have been better off within the Empire. But we were so stubborn... ... And now we have the Republic, who exist to embody that stubborn quality, and with precisely that will they shake this Cluster apart unless they are interdicted. Trading chains for shackles, I am free.
Anabella Rella Gradient Electus Matari 723	Posted - 2013.05.08 15:28:00 - [21] - Quote Hypocrites. The nation that's forcibly invaded, occupied, kidnapped and enslaved billions is calling someone else out? The nation that started wars of aggression against its' own people on Athra and then spread those wars to the stars? Laughable. The Republic government was wrong for its' actions against the Federation. The vast majority of Minmatar feel this way and are working to figure out how to correct this situation and we WILL correct it. In the meantime, you hypocritical warmongers in the Empire need to look in a mirror before you attempt to pass judgement on others. What you want is irrelevant, what you've chosen is at hand.
Halete Pyre Falcon Defence Cadre XV-01A Pyre Falcon Defence Combine 804	Posted - 2013.05.08 15:34:00 - [22] - Quote I wish that in your years of mewling, Anabella, you would take just one moment to develop an even cursory understanding of your foe. Trading chains for shackles, I am free.
Kithrus Deus Fides Empire Curatores Veritatis Alliance 258	Posted - 2013.05.08 15:41:00 - [23] - Quote Anabella Rella wrote: Hypocrites. The nation that's forcibly invaded, occupied, kidnapped and enslaved billions is calling someone else out? The nation that started wars of aggression against its' own people on Athra and then spread those wars to the stars? Laughable. The Republic government was wrong for its' actions against the Federation. The vast majority of Minmatar feel this way and are working to figure out how to correct this situation and we WILL correct it. In the meantime, you hypocritical warmongers in the Empire need to look in a mirror before you attempt to pass judgement on others. And how long are you going to use that as a free pass? How long are you going to argue that just because it was said by an Amarrian it rings false? And before you argue 'after every slave is returned' tripe may I remind you that your nations war crimes are mounting quickly and I really don't think you want to be in the possession where people start keeping a tally of your misdeeds and the blood cost they deem fit. Then again the attack your government launched should already been making you wonder if that's not already the case.
Anabella Rella Gradient Electus Matari 723	Posted - 2013.05.08 15:52:00 - [24] - Quote Hey slaver, did you miss the paragraph wherein I stated: "The Republic government was wrong for its' actions against the Federation. The vast majority of Minmatar feel this way and are working to figure out how to correct this situation and we WILL correct it." ? In the meantime, we sure as hell don't need you lot of warmongers wagging your filthy fingers at us. You have absolutely no right to be condemning others for actions you took in the past and some of you are clamoring for again. What you want is irrelevant, what you've chosen is at hand.
Kithrus Deus Fides Empire Curatores Veritatis Alliance 258	Posted - 2013.05.08 16:00:00 - [25] - Quote Anabella Rella wrote: Hey slaver, did you miss the paragraph wherein I stated: "The Republic government was wrong for its' actions against the Federation. The vast majority of Minmatar feel this way and are working to figure out how to correct this situation and we WILL correct it." ? In the meantime, we sure as hell don't need you lot of warmongers wagging your filthy fingers at us. You have absolutely no right to be condemning others for actions you took in the past and some of you are clamoring for again. I'm not a slaver. I never went out and captured slaves.
Lyn Farel Kitzless 495	Posted - 2013.05.08 16:09:00 - [26] - Quote Sepherim wrote: I agree with the suggestion, Maleatu Shakor is a problem for the cluster. As for those claiming this opens the door to the Reclaiming, Heir Merimeth Sarum has called for it before the unfortunate events that lead to this call. And, in the past, the powers have had the power to ignore CONCORD everytime they want to, as the Republic has done again now. So I don't see how it changes anything to be or not a signatary of the Convention, specially for Shakor, who apparently likes to break those accords without any double thoughts. So no, the Reclaiming isn't held back by CONCORD. It's held back because the Empress and other factions in the Empire don't want war, and as long as that remains such, the Imperial Navy will hold back. Lets hope it lasts. CONCORD was here after the attack on Yulai HQ. CONCORD was here at the battle of Caldari Prime. CONCORD was here when the RSS crossed the Federal border. When events tend to go too far, the probability for them to intervene increases. However, their presence has been more than... weak and declining, recently. Especially in Colelie yesterday... Halete wrote: Your points will be dismissed out of hand simply due to who you are, Cardinal. If the Cardinal is to be accused of bias and dismissed for his affiliations, it does not really matter since other people will raise the same points as well. This petition should have been issued by more neutral parties, considering the rhetorical fallacies ensuing now. Anabella Rella wrote: Hypocrites. The nation that's forcibly invaded, occupied, kidnapped and enslaved billions is calling someone else out? The nation that started wars of aggression against its' own people on Athra and then spread those wars to the stars? Laughable. The Amarr have not been breaking Yulai's rules again and again since its establishment. They may have done a lot of negative things on the long run in the past, but they have always shown a clear respect for treaties until now. Anabella Rella wrote: The Republic government was wrong for its' actions against the Federation. The vast majority of Minmatar feel this way and are working to figure out how to correct this situation and we WILL correct it. I hope they will, for their own sake. In the meantime, petitions like this one will happen.
Anabella Rella Gradient Electus Matari 723	Posted - 2013.05.08 16:10:00 - [27] - Quote You support the Empire, its government and political institutions, its culture, religion and its "reclaiming" policy do you not? You've fought in support of these things have you not? In my view, that makes you as guilty of the crime of slavery as the one who rounds up the unfortunate souls and herds them to the transport ships. But, if it makes you feel better, I'll just refer to you as "imperial" from now on. Happy now? What you want is irrelevant, what you've chosen is at hand.
Lyn Farel Kitzless 495	Posted - 2013.05.08 16:13:00 - [28] - Quote Anabella Rella wrote: You support the Empire, its government and political institutions, its culture, religion and its "reclaiming" policy do you not? You've fought in support of these things have you not? In my view, that makes you as guilty of the crime of slavery as the one who rounds up the unfortunate souls and herds them to the transport ships. But, if it makes you feel better, I'll just refer to you as "imperial" from now on. Happy now? So if I follow the logic, it makes you in agreement with everything the Republic or the Minmatar have done or do ? Like, the attack yesterday ?
Ava Starfire Gradient Electus Matari 999	Posted - 2013.05.08 16:14:00 - [29] - Quote Anabella, sister, I know you are upset. Not now, not here. Anything any of us says now will be subject to misinterpretation, scrutiny, and reprisal. Calm down, please? "There is no strength in numbers; have no such misconception." -Jayka Vofur, "Warfare in the North"
Mensha Khael Crow House Murder 78	Posted - 2013.05.08 16:42:00 - [30] - Quote Mr. Crases, you are trying to educate someone who uses "slaver" as a racial slur. Someone who, by their own word, thinks Amarr Empire conquering the so called Minmatar empire is somehow equal to Minmatar Republics continued and willfull violations of intergalactic treaties. Someone who is just now warmongering against all Amarrians. I can understand your wish to challenge the hypocrite and her idiotic assertions, but please do not give into the liberal pretention that there is some sort of a "free pass" for these heathens in the fact that they were conquered by us. There is not, if there ever was it was used in their rebellion and in the peace they were afforded afterwards. And to you, you heathen warmonger and hypocrite. The moral highground of the Faithfull does not come from our deeds this day, it comes from your moral depravity and how your own deeds once again condemn you as oathbreakers of the worst kind. You can not even respect treaties with those who have fed your kinfolk and given you succor against those you name your enemies. Truly it does test a man to hold his oath even to the benefit of his own enemies, but to spit on the face of your named ally and toasted friend? Pfeh, I will need wine to wash away the taste of bile it brings to my mouth just having to acknowledge any of you vipers get. Our righteousness is evident in the failures of the heathen,-áGod keep us from-áfalling-áprey to their weaknesses.

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