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CCP Masterplan C C P C C P Alliance 1148	Posted - 2013.05.08 15:27:00 - [1] - Quote The new Tags for Security status feature will shortly be available on Singularity. This thread is the place for all your feedback on this feature! For more details, see http://community.eveonline.com/news/dev-blogs/wanttotrade-tags-for-security-status/ There are two parts to this feature, and we're interested in testing feedback on them both: * New pirate NPCs in low-sec belts. Look for NPCs with 'Clone Soldier' in their names * The new Security Office station service, where you can turn in the tags looted from the NPCs. This service is available in all CONCORD and DED stations in low-sec space. These locations can be shown on your star map by selecting 'Security Office' from the list of Station Services options. "This one time, on patch day..." CCP Masterplan -á\| -áTeam Five-0: Rewriting the law

Sugar Kyle The humbleless Crew 231	Posted - 2013.05.08 22:23:00 - [2] - Quote First question: Why is the can blue after I finally killed that thing? Tilde soaked words from something kinda like a pirate.
Alticus C Bear University of Caille Gallente Federation 151	Posted - 2013.05.08 22:39:00 - [3] - Quote Some of my cans are blue, not just these npcGÇÖs but also a normal battleship NPC wreck turned blue, is this intentional? First impressions. Took a DPS Navy Exeq out and killed a couple, granted it is DPS heavy but the rat went down pretty quick and was always alone. If you want these to promote PVP I would suggest they warp away unless warp disrupted. They should have some backup. This is in danger of becoming the next stabbed farmer activity. Not many security offices around, any plans to redistribute these?
Sugar Kyle The humbleless Crew 231	Posted - 2013.05.08 22:48:00 - [4] - Quote I think I just got feedback on twitter that outlaw wreck drops are now always blue? Not 100% sure yet, CCP Masterplan will answer us shortly. So far I have found 1, still looking. Tilde soaked words from something kinda like a pirate.
General Stargazer Moira. Villore Accords 10	Posted - 2013.05.08 23:18:00 - [5] - Quote Just killed my first one, on its own in a belt in Agoze (Caldari + Gallente Facwar space), wreck didn't turn blue. Quick easy kill. Kinda supprised first of all how far away the security offices are, as well as supprised that the tags don't have in the description what bracket of security boosting is applicable to them. I do like that clicking on them gives the button "Show security offices".

CCP Habakuk C C P C C P Alliance 625	Posted - 2013.05.09 00:26:00 - [6] - Quote Sugar Kyle wrote: I think I just got feedback on twitter that outlaw wreck drops are now always blue? Not 100% sure yet, CCP Masterplan will answer us shortly. So far I have found 1, still looking. I also have seen random blue wrecks when killing random NPCs, but I thought I might have applied a bit too much cheated damage. It is for sure not happening all the time, as far as I can tell. I will look into it on Friday. CCP Habakuk \| EVE Quality Assurance \| Team Gridlock \| Team Five 0 Bug reporting \| Mass Testing

Sarah Olson Alpha United Industries Inc. 2	Posted - 2013.05.09 02:38:00 - [7] - Quote CCP Habakuk wrote: Sugar Kyle wrote: I think I just got feedback on twitter that outlaw wreck drops are now always blue? Not 100% sure yet, CCP Masterplan will answer us shortly. So far I have found 1, still looking. I also have seen random blue wrecks when killing random NPCs, but I thought I might have applied a bit too much cheated damage. It is for sure not happening all the time, as far as I can tell. I will look into it on Friday. I completed an anomaly in null, can't remember what type, but random wrecks turned blue, including the Shadow Serpentis Rear Admiral at the end.
Sugar Kyle The humbleless Crew 231	Posted - 2013.05.09 03:04:00 - [8] - Quote All of my Tags 4 Sec NPC wrecks are blue. My other NPC wrecks are randomly white or blue as I go through the belt killing everything. Tilde soaked words from something kinda like a pirate.
Intercostal Dhoomcats 7	Posted - 2013.05.09 08:08:00 - [9] - Quote Killed one of these rats in a belt in a Zealot. Not to tricky. From experience of 1 rat, I think they are a bit too soft. Any DPS frig could have killed it comfortably. If I was looking for sec tags based on this I would use a stealth bomber and probably be nearly impossible to catch in low sec. As already said making them a bit more challenging might be sensible. One other observation- I know the market in Sisi is not representative but these tags are available for both sale and purchase: Trainer tag: 1.5 million isk Recruiter tag: 2 million isk Transporter tag: 2.5 million isk Negotiator tag: 3 million isk I presume this will not be the case on Tranquility for Odyssey
roigon Agony Unleashed Agony Empire 48	Posted - 2013.05.09 11:52:00 - [10] - Quote IS the spawn rate upped on SISI or is it indicative of how it would be on TQ barring any changes.
Johan Toralen Clockwork X3 1	Posted - 2013.05.09 13:44:00 - [11] - Quote Don't know if the blue wrecks are intentional but thinking about it, it actualy would make sense. Why would you own any wrecks outside of hisec missions that are not your own ship wreck? There is no police force and lawyers around to determine a rightful owner.
Sugar Kyle The humbleless Crew 232	Posted - 2013.05.09 14:11:00 - [12] - Quote These are my sec gains from yesterday on SiSi. I was not ratting for sec status but looking for Tags4Sec NPCs hence the time delays. I went from -9.5 to -9.2. 2013.05.08 22:280.3450%Law Enforcement - Security Status Gain 2013.05.08 22:580.5750%Law Enforcement - Security Status Gain 2013.05.08 23:160.5750%Law Enforcement - Security Status Gain 2013.05.09 03:030.4600%Law Enforcement - Security Status Gain 2013.05.09 03:120.0244%Law Enforcement - Security Status Gain Tilde soaked words from something kinda like a pirate.
Sugar Kyle The humbleless Crew 232	Posted - 2013.05.09 14:11:00 - [13] - Quote Johan Toralen wrote: Don't know if the blue wrecks are intentional but thinking about it, it actualy would make sense. Why would you own any wrecks outside of hisec missions that are not your own ship wreck? There is no police force and lawyers around to determine a rightful owner. I also agree in a way about the blue wrecks. If Concord puts this flag on they probably stop caring after a certain point when you are -5. Tilde soaked words from something kinda like a pirate.
Alticus C Bear University of Caille Gallente Federation 151	Posted - 2013.05.09 15:56:00 - [14] - Quote Johan Toralen wrote: Don't know if the blue wrecks are intentional but thinking about it, it actualy would make sense. Why would you own any wrecks outside of hisec missions that are not your own ship wreck? There is no police force and lawyers around to determine a rightful owner. Thing is this is supposed to bring people to low sec and promote PVP. If the wreck is blue then when someone takes from it then I cannot shoot them without taking a sec hit and getting a suspect flag. If they steal from me then I want to be able to shoot them. May be a mute point, as it works now you will warp into the belt kill the NPC grab loot and warp out all inside 30seconds.
Sugar Kyle The humbleless Crew 233	Posted - 2013.05.09 17:01:00 - [15] - Quote Alticus C Bear wrote: [quote=Johan Toralen If the wreck is blue then when someone takes from it then I cannot shoot them without taking a sec hit and getting a suspect flag. If they steal from me then I want to be able to shoot them. I was more thinking of me, as -9.9 not having any 'theft' rights to wrecks because Concord has washed their hands of me. Someone not outlaw should have the same mechanics as always. Of course, shooting me doesn't get you a sec hit. Tilde soaked words from something kinda like a pirate.
LHA Tarawa Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic 623	Posted - 2013.05.09 20:53:00 - [16] - Quote Alticus C Bear wrote: Thing is this is supposed to bring people to low sec and promote PVP. I thought it was a way to allow pirates and suicide gankers to pay others to do the sec status grind for them. If I'm a pirate, but want to keep my sec status up so I can go to high sec, I can either rat for a couple hours between geeting sec status hit, OR I can buy a PLEX with real, convert it to ISK, then buy some tags off someone who did the grind for me.
Alain Colcer Agiolet Security and Logistics 66	Posted - 2013.05.10 00:41:00 - [17] - Quote Killed a Serpentis Clone Soldier Negotiator in Agoze (Thorax with 1.75mill bounty) I know these NPCs are supposed to be harder having enhanced abilities, but being able to MWD away while under the effect of Warp Scrambler seems a bit much. Is it by design?
Sugar Kyle The humbleless Crew 234	Posted - 2013.05.10 02:46:00 - [18] - Quote I think NPCs are rarely affected by our punny attempts to do things like stop them. Tilde soaked words from something kinda like a pirate.
Sugar Kyle The humbleless Crew 234	Posted - 2013.05.10 20:37:00 - [19] - Quote Right now it looks like 3m ISK is the money cost of the sec gain? Seems a bit low. That's three battleship or tags4sec rats. Tilde soaked words from something kinda like a pirate.
Sipphakta en Gravonere 4S Corporation RAZOR Alliance 89	Posted - 2013.05.10 21:06:00 - [20] - Quote Sugar Kyle wrote: Right now it looks like 3m ISK is the money cost of the sec gain? Seems a bit low. That's three battleship or tags4sec rats. + Whatever price the tags settle for. I'd assume CCP has a "vision" of prize for this feature and will adjust the fixed cost accordingly. For example: CCP wants sec gain to cost 25M ISK, tags go on average for 15M ISK, so the fixed cost will be set to 10M. I wish I were a cat. That way, I could kill things and people would applaud - instead of screaming out "OH GOD NO, NOT MY DAUGHTER!"

CCP Masterplan C C P C C P Alliance 1157	Posted - 2013.05.11 00:36:00 - [21] - Quote I tracked down the cause of the random blue wrecks issue today. Let's just agree not talk about that one any more, ok? ;) I also double-checked the outlaw/criminal auto-abandon behaviour. Only characters with a Criminal flag will have their cans/wrecks/NPCs auto-abandoned. Outlaws (chars with sec-status < -5) are unaffected - their cans will be white just like everyone else's (unless they also happen to have a Criminal flag) Sugar Kyle wrote: Right now it looks like 3m ISK is the money cost of the sec gain? Seems a bit low. That's three battleship or tags4sec rats. That sounds like the CONCORD fee for a single tag. You'll need to pay the fee for each tag you use (and some tag types have a higher fee) "This one time, on patch day..." CCP Masterplan -á\| -áTeam Five-0: Rewriting the law

Sugar Kyle The humbleless Crew 235	Posted - 2013.05.11 00:49:00 - [22] - Quote Yes it was the Concord fee and for the lowest tags which I thought would be most expensive. Perhaps it is flipped. I shall nerf my sec status tomorrow and see if the higher/better/smaller (gotta figure out a naming convention) tags are more expensive. Tilde soaked words from something kinda like a pirate.

CCP Masterplan C C P C C P Alliance 1157	Posted - 2013.05.11 00:52:00 - [23] - Quote Try doing a show-info on the tags (via the market for example). The fees should be listed there "This one time, on patch day..." CCP Masterplan -á\| -áTeam Five-0: Rewriting the law

Sugar Kyle The humbleless Crew 240	Posted - 2013.05.15 01:18:00 - [24] - Quote Wrecks are showing up white now :) I played with the office a bit more and see how the ISK per tag increases. Right now 87 million from -10-0. We were discussing around 100m would be a reasonable arc of ISK minus the Tags so this is fitting within expectations/opinion. The spawn rate feels good. I'm not having problems finding them in -3 and down space. As long as they respawn and it isn't just a downtime thing it feels pretty good to me. A minor point that may or may not matter. Ice belts were belts and are now anoms. They, however had NPCs in them for ratting. With the removal of Ice belts, systems like Weld will now only have one lonely somewhat POS belt to spawn things in. I guess, it doesn't matter but in some ways for ratting potential in general it seems like we should get a belt replacement. I really only comment here because Tags4Sec only drop in belts. Anoms will spawn rats (maybe? I assume?) and people can still do their isk making ratting from them. Mostly, I'm thinking out loud. In general, I am happy with this. It works as advertised. Lots of people don't want to install the test server but I haven't been receiving negative feedback from my fellow flashy reds over my reviews of this to them. People still think it will be stealth bomber farming. Tilde soaked words from something kinda like a pirate.
Akturous Immortalis Inc. Shadow Cartel 132	Posted - 2013.05.16 03:12:00 - [25] - Quote The rats need to be much much harder to kill and they should have a small sig with high AB speed so you can't stealth bomber them. I think 400dps should be the minimum to kill one, that rules out a lot of farmer tactics. They should also web and scram you. Vote Item Heck One for CSM8
Sugar Kyle The humbleless Crew 240	Posted - 2013.05.16 20:18:00 - [26] - Quote Akturous wrote: The rats need to be much much harder to kill and they should have a small sig with high AB speed so you can't stealth bomber them. I think 400dps should be the minimum to kill one, that rules out a lot of farmer tactics. They should also web and scram you. While wishing to rule out farmers you also have to be careful not to rule out newer and lower level players. Low sec already suffers from decreased income opportunities for lower skill pointed characters to help mediate their losses. Making a DPs minimum such as listed is going to negatively affect those who could most benefit from this as an income source. Tilde soaked words from something kinda like a pirate.
Akturous Immortalis Inc. Shadow Cartel 132	Posted - 2013.05.17 13:54:00 - [27] - Quote Fair point. Maybe a large buffer then, so they take a long time to kill, but with a much smaller active tank. I still think they should web and scram you. Vote Item Heck One for CSM8

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