I've wanted that for a while, but to do it right we'd need to allow faster cycling ice miners that create smaller blocks. And I have no idea how we would go about implementing that.

I know you plan to cyno jam your systems to prevent miners from being able to export ice/ore so they'll refine locally.

Just ask the guys who did changes to the POS fuel, at the start fuel blocks where designed 10 times bigger.

If I cant make a profit on an account I'm not going to keep PLEX'ing / paying for it.
I dont think an ice spawn should last less than 2-3 hours so you need to increase the 2,500 to between 25,000 & 35,000 per spawn minimum.

Ahahaha it can't be true.
Lowsec ice belts have (atm) the improved racial ice AND some dark glitter, which is the most valuable ice in the game.
Still, nobody is mining it.
Nice lowsec nerf !

I'm fine with the numbers (THE ICE WARS yay), but seriously, the lowsec ice should stay the improved one.

Maybe I've completely missed reading this somewhere else that it was officially posted, but are the ice sites going to respawn completely at each downtime or if, say, a single ice roid is left, does the ice spawn remain that way for four days? Or does it simply respawn every four hours from downtime no matter whether someone's mined it or not?

That would go contrary to CCP's intent then. They made the 4-hour respawn so that everyone has a chance to mine ice no matter their timezone, but if someone leaves one roid with one ice block in it, and if it doesn't respawn in 4 hours, then the person logging on later is screwed? Logic (based on CCP's reason for making the 4-hour respawn in the first place) would say it has to respawn every 4 hours no how much it's been (or not been) mined.

why is someone going to leave that ice block in there

Why is lowsec ice getting hit as hard as it is?

Such claims are highly speculative and unfounded.

Funny, I just bought a bunch of ICE Miners in the Bazaar, thinking I could do a little Semi-AFK Ice Mining while at the computer repair shop.... oops!

Looks like I'll be unsubscribing those extra Multi-box accounts after the update.

Anyone need an ICE miner, after the update evemail me, I'll have 8 for sale.

Going to harvest until then....... go go gadget harvesters.... I think that ICE Prices are going through the roof soon... maybe I'll breakeven.

:'(

Yes, my lip is out..

first the exhumer cargo nerf now this, keep em coming

This is enough ice to make 122500 fuel blocks; which is enough to fuel 4.25 large POSs for 1 month. Basically, we can fuel 21 POSs for 1 month, per day, if we are mining 23/7.

Yes, if you mine for an entire month, 23/7. Right now, we have a mining op once a month. After the patch, the mining op becomes a whole month. :)

Actually, it is a huge lack of ice. The anoms will be mined out immediately every time they spawn. We will not be able to have a mining op for one day on the weekend and get all of the ice we need for one month - it won't be there. Instead, we will have to mine a little bit at a time, every day, and probably move to other systems to find ice that hasn't been mined out.

The main issue I see is the total amount of ice available in the whole Eve universe. It is not enough to fuel all of the POSs and capitals in the game at the moment. Imagine the huge effect on the economy and movements in nullsec, if there simply is not enough fuel for everything, regardless of price.

Who the hell runs corp ice mining ops anyways. Fuel is cheap, it's a waste of time.

I mean, if you have 40 accounts mining dark glitter then I guess ~you go girl~ but otherwise it's kind of dumb

21 POSs for 1 month, PER DAY, if you mine all day means you can fuel 630 POSs if you mine 1 ice anomaly 23/7

CNR will probably be the new talos. I don't have the PYFA files to theorycraft anything, but hubs are still likely going to be better than mining. It's just that easymode blaster boats are mostly dead. But don't forget that the skills to run hubs directly translate to actually shooting people.

Another thing to remember is that ice products don't really compress. There's Rorqual ice compression, but that's already a joke. And the patch is going to make it twice as irrelevant.
So relative to ore mining (or ratting, heh) it costs tons to get the product to market. Stront is literally unprofitable to sell, and heavy water just barely makes a profit. I cba to grab the numbers again, but transportation takes off something like 15% of the value of 0.0 ice mining (assuming you're not JFing things around yourself, and then it just takes forever).


e: Unless you sell it at your local 0.0 market hub, and glhf moving any real amount of product doing that.

Doubling ice miner yield is going to make it higher effort then ore mining anyways. Stop being a giant baby because you have to actually compete for resources like everyone else in this game.

what's wrong with you? How will they mine ICE between the respawns?
Maybe do 20 jumps looking for another ice anomaly which hasn't been mined already?

Anyway, there obviously isn't any reason to try and communicate with trolls.

3? Seriously? I had no idea it was that bad.

Did you really think I'd have that ice roid all for myself?

But mining ore is so hard!

And 5+ is unlikely?
We now have about 100 miners in a busy icebelt. That will mean 5 per asteroid on average. Unless nearby fields have been depleted and those miners come to 'my' belt as well.

The difference between being "more accomadating to the afk playstyle than ore" and "you can go afk until your cargo is full" can be measured in quite a few miner accounts that will lapse.

IF there are few others mining that asteroid, which - as I stated before - I don't expect.

Edit: your 'proof' wasn't very convincing to me.

Cant wait the ice changes move.
Ill go place a cloaky afk camper in every ice sistem.
Ahahahaha go mine ahead.

Not all..wth.:D
But i can tell you that there wont be much ice mining in low and null.
Who wouldnt want to keep a alliance starving for fuel?
And with 1 cloaky camper you can do that just fine.
I bet 10-20 macks are a target worth chasing.

I think im making myself misunderstood..would you take out your hulk in null/low whatever if u would have a cloaky cyno camper in sistem?

Wait, you're telling me I wasted the past few weeks getting my ice mining skills maxed out?

Sweet.

I only play one mining account.

Not if there isn't any ice to mine...

The majority of High Sec ice belts will be mined out within 30 minutes of spawn, if you don't get there within that window you will lose out on ice mining as an ingame activity.

It's a problem when people can only play during certain time periods, if you don't get a belt at the start of your play session oh well, looks like you aren't playing today.

Okay now that's like comparing apples and oranges...it doesn't work.

I tell you what...how about all the havens and sanctums that currently have a 5 min spawn timer, goes to a 4 hour respawn time....now lets not stop there...lets add in all ratting anoms.

Hi kettle!

In all seriousness tho, the orginial argument wasn't valid, as 10/10 are spawned from Ratting Anoms, which are respawned after completion and allow a chance to spawn a 10/10. The ratting anoms, which are pretty much instant repop after completion, allow for multiple chances to get the 10/10. Now if all anoms were set to the 4 hour respawn, then the comparsion would be valid.

However if that is the only troll I get off my rant....well I consider it time well spent.

1. Do you believe that installing a limiting game mechanic into the Universe that will exclude a person's ability to participate in that activity based solely on the time that they enter the game is a good idea? If so, why?

2. Do you think that installing this limited game mechanic that decreases game content will make that content more enriching to those that do have the ability to participate in it?

The changes are being made to stop afk ice botting

Enjoy the alarm clocking game....

the double yield just lowers the price per block.

seems to be logic.. didnt think of this, but it only works when all ice will be mined empty right?

I like your thinking. It's flawed, but entertaining.

I kinda see what 1974 means, and I'm not sure I have the skills to articulate it, but here goes.

What you say above is a little garbled, but I think what you meant was -

"When available resources are finite, and demand exceeds those available resources, and the available rate of resource-gathering is already more than sufficient to gather those limited resources far faster than they become available, then the ability to gather resources even faster will not affect the price, because the price is fixed by the relationship between demand and available supply."

This is intended to be a fully amplified and expanded version of what you originally said, as best I understand it. And in fact, the second clause, ("and demand exceeds those available resources"), may not even be strictly necessary.

Basically, 1974 was nitpicking because you'd stated a limited version which, while true in this context, might not have been true in every situation.

Woof, that was a mouthful...