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Del369
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Posted - 2005.10.08 11:46:00 -
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just wondering if this is on the cards for some future date, 3rd person is teh sux0or3, i'd love to be able to fly first person with joystick (scuse teh pun) :)
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Asestorian
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Posted - 2005.10.08 11:49:00 -
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Never gonna happen in EVE, its just not what it's designed for I'm afraid..
You could always try SWG JTL if you really wanted that kinda play.
 Originally by: Oveur
I do not recall having intellectual intercourse with Paint.
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Del369
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Posted - 2005.10.08 14:43:00 -
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Originally by: Asestorian
Never gonna happen in EVE, its just not what it's designed for I'm afraid..
You could always try SWG JTL if you really wanted that kinda play.
not a chance shoebox shooters just dont cut it, thing is they probably could do it in eve, bit of a redesign, i'll keep wishing a n00bies wishes :)
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Rodge
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Posted - 2005.10.08 16:58:00 -
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Originally by: Del369
thing is they probably could do it in eve, bit of a redesign, i'll keep wishing a n00bies wishes :)
It's more than a "bit of a redesign". It's a complete redesign of Eve and it's almost certain to never happen.
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Grimwalius d'Antan
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Posted - 2005.10.08 20:11:00 -
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Clearly, you have no future as a game designer. How would joystick flight be applicable to the game mode of Eve? What would the benefit be? What would the alternative to joystick flight be? Are you even aware that such a suggestion is so freaking disconnected from all sort of reality it is just too sad of me to even bother explaining why? As I said, no future.
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mirel yirrin
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Posted - 2005.10.08 20:57:00 -
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Originally by: Grimwalius d'Antan
Clearly, you have no future as a game designer. How would joystick flight be applicable to the game mode of Eve? What would the benefit be? What would the alternative to joystick flight be? Are you even aware that such a suggestion is so freaking disconnected from all sort of reality it is just too sad of me to even bother explaining why? As I said, no future.
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Del369
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Posted - 2005.10.08 21:55:00 -
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Originally by: Grimwalius d'Antan
Clearly, you have no future as a game designer. How would joystick flight be applicable to the game mode of Eve? What would the benefit be? What would the alternative to joystick flight be? Are you even aware that such a suggestion is so freaking disconnected from all sort of reality it is just too sad of me to even bother explaining why? As I said, no future.
if i'd even remotely suggested a future as a game designer you might just have a point.
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Caldorous
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Posted - 2005.10.08 22:25:00 -
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Edited by: Caldorous on 08/10/2005 22:25:39
THIS
GAME
IS
NOT
A
FIGHTER (combat)
SIMULATOR
so the joystick is pointless.
Why do you want a joystick? The turrets shoot where is the target automatically and not in direction to the front of your ship, always at full speed since they are automatic... and this ships are soposed to be like the star trek ships, (as in star wars are known as capital ships) so they are not soposed to be piloted by one pilot using a joystick (although for a strange technology we are piloting the ship more or less alone and by ourselves)
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2005.03.13 01:11:29combatYour 350mm Railgun I perfectly strikes Asteroid (Veldspar), wrecking for 0.0 damage.
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Betelgeuze
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Posted - 2005.10.08 23:02:00 -
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Originally by: Grimwalius d'Antan
Clearly, you have no future as a game designer. How would joystick flight be applicable to the game mode of Eve? What would the benefit be? What would the alternative to joystick flight be? Are you even aware that such a suggestion is so freaking disconnected from all sort of reality it is just too sad of me to even bother explaining why? As I said, no future.
A JS would be a great replacement for the stupid double-click navigation we have to live with. Double-clicks that always seems to fail because you will hit within 200 pixels from some stupid icon representing an object some 60 AU away :/
Btw, S! del :) Are you on an extended leave from WWII?
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Del369
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Posted - 2005.10.08 23:02:00 -
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Originally by: Caldorous
Edited by: Caldorous on 08/10/2005 22:25:39
THIS
GAME
IS
NOT
A
FIGHTER (combat)
SIMULATOR
so the joystick is pointless.
Why do you want a joystick? The turrets shoot where is the target automatically and not in direction to the front of your ship, always at full speed since they are automatic... and this ships are soposed to be like the star trek ships, (as in star wars are known as capital ships) so they are not soposed to be piloted by one pilot using a joystick (although for a strange technology we are piloting the ship more or less alone and by ourselves)
tbh 3rd person sux sweaty donleys nuts simply put, dealable because this is an excellent game, but it still sux one the less.
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Dark Shikari
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Posted - 2005.10.08 23:04:00 -
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Originally by: Del369
Originally by: Caldorous
Edited by: Caldorous on 08/10/2005 22:25:39
THIS
GAME
IS
NOT
A
FIGHTER (combat)
SIMULATOR
so the joystick is pointless.
Why do you want a joystick? The turrets shoot where is the target automatically and not in direction to the front of your ship, always at full speed since they are automatic... and this ships are soposed to be like the star trek ships, (as in star wars are known as capital ships) so they are not soposed to be piloted by one pilot using a joystick (although for a strange technology we are piloting the ship more or less alone and by ourselves)
tbh 3rd person sux sweaty donleys nuts simply put, dealable because this is an excellent game, but it still sux one the less.
EVE is supposed to be more like Homeworld than a fighter sim.
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Grimwalius d'Antan
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Posted - 2005.10.09 05:46:00 -
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Originally by: Betelgeuze
A JS would be a great replacement for the stupid double-click navigation we have to live with.
You do realize that changing the controls in that manner would mean we're switching genres? You're asking System of a Down to change into black metal, really. Basically, the pro-joystick followers are using the following logic : "Sausage tastes so good, Im gonna eat it with my cereals dipped in chocolate water.".
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F'nog
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Posted - 2005.10.09 06:15:00 -
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Originally by: Del369
Originally by: Caldorous
Edited by: Caldorous on 08/10/2005 22:25:39
THIS
GAME
IS
NOT
A
FIGHTER (combat)
SIMULATOR
so the joystick is pointless.
Why do you want a joystick? The turrets shoot where is the target automatically and not in direction to the front of your ship, always at full speed since they are automatic... and this ships are soposed to be like the star trek ships, (as in star wars are known as capital ships) so they are not soposed to be piloted by one pilot using a joystick (although for a strange technology we are piloting the ship more or less alone and by ourselves)
tbh 3rd person sux sweaty donleys nuts simply put, dealable because this is an excellent game, but it still sux one the less.
You REALLY do have a preoccupation with gonads, don't you? I'd see somebody about that. It can't be healthy.
Sig modified due to xenophobic comments -Iacon
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Telekon
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Posted - 2005.10.09 13:13:00 -
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Edited by: Telekon on 09/10/2005 13:15:21
It's worth differentiating between joystick control (which doesn't really fit in an RPG) and first-person view. While I wouldn't want to engage in combat in a*****pit view, immersion while traveling and mining would be enhanced with a first-person, in-the-cockpit option IMHO.
Edit: this automated swear-word filter is silly.
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Asestorian
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Posted - 2005.10.09 15:33:00 -
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You are failing to understand what EVE is.
EVE, isn't JUST combat, though it is a part.
Also, Joystick controls, suddenly means EVE has to have, not only a complete redesign of the engine and stuff, but of the backstory too, which... well tbh is just stupid and pointless, simply because some people want to play an FPS in space instead of EVE.
Originally by: Oveur
I do not recall having intellectual intercourse with Paint.
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Betelgeuze
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Posted - 2005.10.09 18:09:00 -
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Originally by: Grimwalius d'Antan
Originally by: Betelgeuze
A JS would be a great replacement for the stupid double-click navigation we have to live with.
You do realize that changing the controls in that manner would mean we're switching genres? You're asking System of a Down to change into black metal, really. Basically, the pro-joystick followers are using the following logic : "Sausage tastes so good, Im gonna eat it with my cereals dipped in chocolate water.".
Switching genres? Howcome? All I'm saying is that we would get a better way to change direction. One that actually would work ..
If adding JS support is all that bad, just allow us to turn using the arrow keys :/ I'm fed up trying to turn and fail because I'm hitting a hotspot for a remote gate instead of clear sky.
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Solar Sailor
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Posted - 2005.10.09 18:40:00 -
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Edited by: Solar Sailor on 09/10/2005 18:41:20
There is NO ****pit - therefore no first person
Read some of the great background to find out why. (though maybe if/when Jove come out we'll get their funky hull sensor cotrol to replace Camera drone )
edit - ohh and no joystick, because these are multi million tonne ships, not some sort of fighter
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Jebediah
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Posted - 2005.10.09 19:07:00 -
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http://www.eve-online.com/background/potw/apr01-02.asp
That's why.
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wierchas noobhunter
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Posted - 2005.10.09 19:10:00 -
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Originally by: Dark Shikari
Originally by: Del369
Originally by: Caldorous
Edited by: Caldorous on 08/10/2005 22:25:39
THIS
GAME
IS
NOT
A
FIGHTER (combat)
SIMULATOR
so the joystick is pointless.
Why do you want a joystick? The turrets shoot where is the target automatically and not in direction to the front of your ship, always at full speed since they are automatic... and this ships are soposed to be like the star trek ships, (as in star wars are known as capital ships) so they are not soposed to be piloted by one pilot using a joystick (although for a strange technology we are piloting the ship more or less alone and by ourselves)
tbh 3rd person sux sweaty donleys nuts simply put, dealable because this is an excellent game, but it still sux one the less.
EVE is supposed to be more like Homeworld than a fighter sim.
nah i think eve is more like Nexus - The Jupiter Incident ( damn i love that gane :))
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Pwyle Kenobi
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Posted - 2005.10.10 05:43:00 -
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Originally by: Del369
just wondering if this is on the cards for some future date, 3rd person is teh sux0or3, i'd love to be able to fly first person with joystick (scuse teh pun) :)
Sacrilege and blasphemy! The horror! Oh, the horror.
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Joshua Deakin
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Posted - 2005.10.12 10:11:00 -
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Edited by: Joshua Deakin on 12/10/2005 10:13:24
Edited by: Joshua Deakin on 12/10/2005 10:12:26
I would be pleased just with the first person view and FOV, if for nothing else than to realize the size differences between objects, adds to the immersion factor. I just have to echo the suprised thoughts when people saw the comparison picture of different ships elsewhere on the forum. For example, I never realized in game that the Gallente freighter was so immense in size, look so tiny in game.
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ArchenTheGreat
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Posted - 2005.10.12 11:07:00 -
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Originally by: Dark Shikari
EVE is supposed to be more like Homeworld than a fighter sim.
Well, to be correct there was FPP in Homeworld: Cataclysm. You had not control of the ship but you could see from perspective of the pilot. I think limited version of this feature could be fine in EVE when frapsing fights. You could issue command "Look at this ship with pilot eyes" and since then look from over the nose of the ship. No control of course - just like in "Look at" command.
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Solar Sailor
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Posted - 2005.10.12 12:09:00 -
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Edited by: Solar Sailor on 12/10/2005 12:10:36
Originally by: ArchenTheGreat
"Look at this ship with pilot eyes"
The pilot is inside an armoured egg with no windows, how would looking at your goo filled surroundings be of benefit to a frapser?
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Joshua Deakin
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Posted - 2005.10.12 13:25:00 -
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Edited by: Joshua Deakin on 12/10/2005 13:26:33
Originally by: Solar Sailor
Edited by: Solar Sailor on 12/10/2005 12:10:36
Originally by: ArchenTheGreat
"Look at this ship with pilot eyes"
The pilot is inside an armoured egg with no windows, how would looking at your goo filled surroundings be of benefit to a frapser?
Cybernetic "eyes" or cameras in the hull perhaps... if you really want to split hairs. Or how is it possible the current situation that you can circle around an object which is 30km away. Or zoom to a tactical overhead view without a "robot or the like" flying above, and why does "up" and "down" exist in EVE in the first place? 
Edit, view Pilot point of view? Because looking miniatyres all day is boring...
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Charlie3
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Posted - 2005.10.12 18:36:00 -
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Quote:
Btw, S! del :) Are you on an extended leave from WWII?
Bunch of us are on leave... nice game ya got here.
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Namdor
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Posted - 2005.10.12 18:57:00 -
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Quote:
Cybernetic "eyes" or cameras in the hull perhaps... if you really want to split hairs. Or how is it possible the current situation that you can circle around an object which is 30km away. Or zoom to a tactical overhead view without a "robot or the like" flying above, and why does "up" and "down" exist in EVE in the first place?
Step 1. Read previous posts.
Step 2. Provide input.
Just about everything mentioned in your post was answered in a previous post that provided the backstory segment explaining the POV in Eve.
You didn't read it the first time, so it's probably silly to assume that you'll actually bother to read it this time, but you can't fault me for trying:
http://www.eve-online.com/background/potw/apr01-02.asp
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Solar Sailor
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Posted - 2005.10.12 19:58:00 -
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Originally by: Joshua Deakin
Cybernetic "eyes" or cameras in the hull perhaps... if you really want to split hairs. Or how is it possible the current situation that you can circle around an object which is 30km away. Or zoom to a tactical overhead view without a "robot or the like" flying above, and why does "up" and "down" exist in EVE in the first place?
Edit, view Pilot point of view? Because looking miniatyres all day is boring...
You need to read up on camera drones. They gave up on hull mounted camera systems because it made pod pilots feel disorientated. As for the up and down, again these are more for human orientation than anything, we are used to navigating nice planets where there is only very little upward/downward motion. It will take centuries to beat that out of our collective minds. So an up/down reference (even in space) helps local manual navigation.
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Alpha Centauri
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Posted - 2006.02.20 13:42:00 -
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Hey sorry to dig this up guys, but I was thinking about this and there are a few problems with implementing such a feature.
You say: But why can I not use cursor keys or a joystick to move my ship?
From the obvious points stated, the turrets auto-track and are not fixed to the front of the ship.
Another point people did not mention, is the amount of network messages cursor keys or a joystick would incur.
The 'double click to go' method only requires the server knowing which direction the player wants to travel in.
The 'control with cursor or joystick' would have a constant stream of messages being sent to the server.
Just wanted to make that point in case anyone else does a search for this :)
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Flicky G
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Posted - 2006.02.20 14:00:00 -
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Edited by: Flicky G on 20/02/2006 14:01:36
/what he said
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Green Master
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Posted - 2006.02.20 14:00:00 -
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Edited by: Green Master on 20/02/2006 14:03:15
Hey,
Joystick: No
1st Person: Well, I don't think the inside of a pod warants it. Do you?
But at the same time, clicking a 2d space which represents 3d needs a clever implementation. I wouldn't want the third dimension implemented as it is in homeworld, but the 'click - no not that way' dance is the *only* thing in eve which winds me up.
Just my 2ISK
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