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Stitcher
Re-Awakened Technologies Inc
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Posted - 2013.05.09 09:00:00 -
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Elsebeth, I quite agree that the man can go to hell, but Pieter's right - the Caldari have never and I hope will never practice slavery. We take that so seriously that when a slave-based Amarrian disaster management crew were permitted to work in State space in an action that saved dozens of Caldari lives, the officer who gave them permission to work was subsequently arrested and tried on slave labour charges.
Many of us, especially among independent capsuleers, have lobbied for some time for the State breaking ties with the Empire and seeking a peaceful relationship with the Tribes. We literally have no reason to be enemies that I can see beyond "the friend of my enemy is my enemy".
That attitude remains valid, I think, despite the Executor polluting it with his anti-Gallente rhetoric. It wasn't really a speech for the Matari anyway - it was just another firebrand whip-the-crowd-up thing for the benefit of the Caldari. He doesn't care about the children of Matar except as a battleground in his mad war against the Federation. He views you as a resource.
Nevertheless, even a broken clock is right twice a day, and it is possible to say the right thing for the wrong reasons. I firmly believe that the Matari and the Caldari should explore the potential for an overhaul in our relationship, and that we should start viewing one another as potential equal business partners. But our reasons for doing so need to have nothing to do with the Federation and the Empire, and everything to do with how we can benefit one another.
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Stitcher
Re-Awakened Technologies Inc
1234
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Posted - 2013.05.09 11:15:00 -
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Seriphyn Inhonores wrote:I'm sure the Minmatar get the idea that the Caldari are anti-slavery, but the State has not once acted upon this belief in an interventionist fashion.
Well, that's a very Federal attitude. Do you not thing it could possibly be that the reason we've not acted upon our anti-slavery stance in an interventionist fashion is because we view interventionism as morally repugnant?
Intervening in that manner is what the Federation did to us back in the day which is where the entire trouble between our nations came from. It's what the Amarr want to do to everyone.
We're not lazy in our opposition to slavery, we just stand by another of our principles in that we believe that the Caldari have no right to dictate how non-Caldari do business.
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Stitcher
Re-Awakened Technologies Inc
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Posted - 2013.05.09 11:41:00 -
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If you abandon a principle under duress, you never truly held it to begin with.
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Stitcher
Re-Awakened Technologies Inc
1237
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Posted - 2013.05.09 12:25:00 -
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I entirely agree, our willingness to do business with the Amarr despite our own internal rejection of slavery is something I find shameful. We have basically nothing in common with the Amarr, and the decision to do business with them was, in my view, a foolishly mercenary one. Don't even get me started on the TCMC trade with the Khanid, I feel vicariously ashamed of that one.
What I'm saying to Seriphyn is that while my people have no right to intervene with the Amarr, we can - and I firmly believe should - cast around for other business opportunities which don't involve uncomfortably swallowing our principles for the sake of profit.
The fact is, the way to get us to stop doing business with the slavers is to make us a better offer. As it stands, the best option on the table for the Caldari bloc (in the short term at least, if we ignore the Reclaiming) is coming from the Empire. The Federation's a no-go for obvious reasons of domestic politics at the moment.
We already have megacorporate stations in the Republic, it's not like there's no precedent for peaceful, commercial contact here. But the idea needs to be bought into by both sides - if your attitude is "you've done business with the slavers, we can never do business with you", then what that means logically is that we have no option but to continue doing business with the slavers, even if we would prefer an alternative.
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Stitcher
Re-Awakened Technologies Inc
1237
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Posted - 2013.05.09 14:03:00 -
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You make it sound like those are the only two options - complaint or resignation.
There's also the option of taking action, you know. There's no guarantee of success of course, but it's not like the only avenues available to us are impotent whining and impotent apathy.
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Stitcher
Re-Awakened Technologies Inc
1238
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Posted - 2013.05.09 15:05:00 -
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Why are we allies again? Because frankly given that it's an open secret that the Caldari are among the "wayward children" the Reclaiming is aimed at, and given that your ideals and ours are basically incompatible, I often wonder just what exactly is in it for us other than that the Empire is a huge market for high-tech goods and a huge exporter of food.
Which is a perfectly good reason to conduct trade, but I wouldn't call that the basis for an alliance, not at all.
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Stitcher
Re-Awakened Technologies Inc
1239
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Posted - 2013.05.09 15:20:00 -
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Kithrus... wrote:the Kingdom has no intention of expanding which is what Stitcher is so afraid off.
Good to know. Shame about the slaves, really.
Quote:What said however these shifting allegiances are not for the better.
I believe in meritocracy, in competition, in the economics of humanity and in the free market of ideas. Alliances are an idea, and ideas are products: if a better product comes along, I'll take my custom to that product instead.
I'm sorry if you take issue with the idea that some of us would rather buy from the Sebiestor than from the Khanid. Maybe that should inspire you to upgrade what you're selling.
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Stitcher
Re-Awakened Technologies Inc
1239
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Posted - 2013.05.09 15:29:00 -
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You certainly do a talented impersonation of the way he hijacks conversations and turns them towards his agenda, pilot Jorkarzul. It's uncanny.
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Stitcher
Re-Awakened Technologies Inc
1239
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Posted - 2013.05.09 15:31:00 -
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Persons have friendships, Kith. Nations have agreements, treaties and deals.
Believe me, if anything I sometimes worry I'm becoming even more of a hothead with every passing week. I don't think I'm becoming less honourable, though.
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Stitcher
Re-Awakened Technologies Inc
1242
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Posted - 2013.05.09 15:44:00 -
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on the other hand, if they were selling Khanid-modified Revelations, I'd buy ten.
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Stitcher
Re-Awakened Technologies Inc
1269
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Posted - 2013.05.09 23:39:00 -
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You recall my earlier point about principles? Well opposition to slavery is a Caldari principle, and it's currently one we're forgoing for the sake of convenience.
There are other options - ones where we come off no worse for moving over to them, and don't have to ignore our ideals. I'm not suggesting we should find somebody who shares our ideals exactly - that would basically be impossible, after all - but we can at least find a partner who isn't incompatible with our ideals.
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Stitcher
Re-Awakened Technologies Inc
1270
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Posted - 2013.05.10 07:58:00 -
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Gaven Lok'ri wrote:I would suggest that those talking to Stitcher in this thread should remember that he is currently a member of a known terrorist organisation and take that into account when they deal with him.
Oh, yes. Our campaign of terror against asteroids and clouds of fullerene-rich gas is truly a thing to make right-thinking persons gasp in dismay and whisper warnings to their children.
Have you completely lost contact with reality? ReAw is no more a terrorist organisation than you are a bicycle. In the two years I've been here the most violent thing we've done was pay the Noir mercenaries to kick some troublesome interlopers out of the W-space system we've staked. The most proactively violent thing we've ever planned to do involved a toothbrush.
Or does the word "terrorist" in your language simply mean "Has a Minmatar CEO."?
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Stitcher
Re-Awakened Technologies Inc
1278
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Posted - 2013.05.10 09:27:00 -
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aka "shot some Amarrian ships seven years ago".
You've got a long way to go from there to "known terrorist organisation", especially when to my knowledge not a single one of the corporation's presently active members were members in YC108 and as I said, since I joined in 113, the worst victim of our wrath has been Veldspar.
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Stitcher
Re-Awakened Technologies Inc
1281
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Posted - 2013.05.10 12:47:00 -
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Gaven Lok'ri wrote:I was merely warning those Amarrians trying to reason with Stitcher that such action is likely utterly pointless, given the sordid company he seems to keep.
I think the more likely explanation for why I'm unlikely to be swayed by Amarrian "reason" is the fact I'm not in the wrong here.
The Caldari are opposed to slavery at least within our own borders, the Amarr are the largest practitioners of slavery in the Cluster, and furthermore don't make any attempt to deny that their long-term goal is the unification of New Eden under their faith. So, I'm lobbying for the Caldari to find new business partnerships: ones that involve trading with people who don't use slaves, and who aren't plotting our eventual subjugation.
What's unreasonable about any of that? Or is it just that you're afraid the people you had earmarked as future slaves might spot the trap and escape before it can be sprung?
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Stitcher
Re-Awakened Technologies Inc
1284
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Posted - 2013.05.10 16:09:00 -
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Mensha Khael Crow wrote:Capsuleer Haakatain, seven years ago? You are flying in active support of a people who continue to consider grievances sevenhundred years old as valid causes for treaty breaches today.
I assure you, the Minmatar consider the grievance - namely the enslavement of their kin - to be an ongoing and modern one rather than a seven hundred year old one. And nothing I've seen since I first jumped into a pod in YC107 has convinced me they're wrong to. I don't always agree with how they go about trying to set right this injustice, but I most certainly do agree they are within their rights to feel aggrieved.
In any case, my time in ReAw has not seen me fire on a single Amarrian vessel. Not one. I don't take part in the lowsec war because it would be a conflict of interest - I have made it clear to the corp on many occasions that joining the war would result in my departure. I don't take mercenary work for Matari corporations. I joined ReAw because a good friend of mine was the CEO, and though she has since moved on to a different venture I've stayed here because I like the corp, I like the people, I like the resources I have access to and I like the Minmatar.
It's given me the distant perspective from which I'm able to look back on my homeland and give it an honest appraisal (only to discover that I am more patriotic now than I ever was before). It's given me the opportunity to learn a little bit of how a different fragment of humanity views the world. It's given me access to markets that are less hectic and crowded than those of Lonetrek and The Forge.
I won't deny, I DO support the Minmatar. Not in everything they do, nor blindly, because I don't even do that for the Caldari and the State, with whom my loyalties truly lie. But you'd better believe that so long as it doesn't conflict with my Heiian, the Tribes have a friend in Yakiya Verin Hakatain.
If that's enough for Amarr pilots to label me a terrorist, then that's a badge I'll wear with pride.
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