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Swedish Bob
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Posted - 2005.10.09 04:22:00 -
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I would not worry about 50-60 DegC. Athlon 64 processors are rated for operation at 85 DegC. Not sure what the nominal temp is but I would imagine it depends on a particular stepping. So don't worry about it, your processor is working fine, just pay attention to the temp.
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Xelios
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Posted - 2005.10.09 04:46:00 -
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Check the vcore settings in the BIOS, it should be set around 1.5v if you're not overclocking. You might also want to get Motherboard Monitor 5 to keep an eye on temps and vcore in Windows. It's a free download somewhere in the world of google. Airflow in the case should be sucked in at the bottom front and blown out the top back.
But it could also be a simple case of motherboard sensors not giving the right readings. You could try taking the cpu to a computer repair shop and have them put it in a different motherboard, should only be about $20 to check it.
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Corvus Anderran
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Posted - 2005.10.09 05:18:00 -
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Declock the CPU. If it's a Barton 3200+ as it would seem, you can set the BIOS to an FSB of 333MHz, which effectively turns it into a 2500+. Lower the VCore until it stops booting reliably, then increase the VCore back up slightly. You should find yourself with a slower but cooler processor. Now reverse the process with gradual FSB increments until you reach the point where performance vs temperature works for you.
However, this really shouldn't be necessary on a Barton 3200+. Those chips do run somewhat hot, but it shouldn't be causing you problems.
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Aeon Yakati
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Posted - 2005.10.09 05:34:00 -
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Temperature never reaches 45 degrees Celcius, even with 3 accounts open and non-minimized.
AMD 64 3500.
But I do have a good case airflow. Antec P160, 2 x 12cm casefans and two Zalmans on both the CPU and graphicscard.
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infused
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Posted - 2005.10.09 05:35:00 -
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If it's getting worse and worse it looks like the cpu glue is drying out.
I suggest Artic Silver 5.
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Saladin
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Posted - 2005.10.09 06:46:00 -
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This reminds me of the time I seriously considered buying one of those refridgerated computer cases
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Bombcrater
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Posted - 2005.10.09 07:08:00 -
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 Originally by: Rutoo
my AMD 64 3200+ runs at 30oC with 4 eve accounts open, Stock fan.
ie, your CPU is becoming fubar
Remember there are several different revisons of the Athlon 64 and the older ones run much hotter. It's common for the original 130nm 'Clawhammer' or 'Newcastle' chips to run above 50c, while the newer 90nm 'Winchester' and 'Venice' models can be up to 20c cooler at the same speed.
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Avon
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Posted - 2005.10.09 07:39:00 -
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Edited by: Avon on 09/10/2005 07:39:14
"CPU Too hot under Eve. Need advice! "
You want advice?
Firstly, why bother?
You flamed anyone who gave you advice in the other thread you already posted about this.
Secondly, if you really wanted help you would post in the correct part of the forums.
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TimeKeepr
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Posted - 2005.10.09 07:47:00 -
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temp readouts from the mobo/bios seem to to vary between different motherboards. why are you worrying? does your comp crash randomly? programs crash?
if your computer works fine, i really wouldnt worry about it. it sounds like youve got your hardware all setup correctly, so i dont think youre doing anything wrong there. if your computer starts crashing a lot, and programs crash, then you would know for sure that there is a problem.
also, another important factor in cpu temps is the ambient room temp. how warm is your room?
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Deka Kador
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Posted - 2005.10.09 07:59:00 -
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Originally by: Avon
Edited by: Avon on 09/10/2005 07:39:14
"CPU Too hot under Eve. Need advice! "
You want advice?
Firstly, why bother?
You flamed anyone who gave you advice in the other thread you already posted about this.
Secondly, if you really wanted help you would post in the correct part of the forums.
pwned.
Also, he seems to be blaming Eve.
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Ultim8Evil
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Posted - 2005.10.09 09:00:00 -
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Take the HSF off, remove any thermal compound wth isopropyl alcohol, lap the base of the HS with some sandpaper/wet&dry to make a perfectly flat contact are (if it isnt already) then use something like Arctic Silver thermal compound to refit the HSF. If the CPU is reported as hot and the HSF isnt hot/warm to the touch, it's pretty obviously a thermal transfer problem between the CPU and HSF.
And dont forget, you can actually use too much compound... you only need a thin, evenly spread smear.
My Athlon 64 3200 is overclocked to 2.475 Ghz (around 3700 equiv speed) and never goes over 56C playing EVE, and thats with the stock HSF and a GF6800 Ultra baking inside the case. Something is wrong with your setup.
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Delana Mosalaine
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Posted - 2005.10.09 09:23:00 -
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Originally by: Avon
Edited by: Avon on 09/10/2005 07:39:14
"CPU Too hot under Eve. Need advice! "
You want advice?
Firstly, why bother?
You flamed anyone who gave you advice in the other thread you already posted about this.
Secondly, if you really wanted help you would post in the correct part of the forums.
And this helps with his problem, how? 
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M3ta7h3ad
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Posted - 2005.10.09 13:17:00 -
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By illustrating the fact that all of the above solutions were all previously given in his last thread about this.
This new thread is worse than a bump imo. Follow the advice now given over two threads already, and end this pointless thread making.
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clone 1
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Posted - 2005.10.09 13:19:00 -
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Looking at this from a socio-political point of view, I would say that the Heatsink has relationship issues with the CPU. I propose that the Heatink be given incentives to help out. I feel that the Heatsink needs a reason to work with the CPU and any motivational aids you can provide would, I feel, be instantly noticed.
As it stands the Heatsink has so much unrealized potential, and suffers from a psychological lack of motivation, as soon as you give it the necessary incentives I am sure all will be much happier all round.
Sincerely
Clone 1
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Silvero
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Posted - 2005.10.09 13:44:00 -
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Edited by: Silvero on 09/10/2005 13:45:21
Hmm a though problem !
Buy a fridge lay it down on its back fill her up with mineral oil, then submerge the pc voila.
Ooo and do leave some room for the beer. 
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Scorpyn
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Posted - 2005.10.09 13:55:00 -
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Edited by: Scorpyn on 09/10/2005 13:56:04
Exactly what heatsink model do you have?
Originally by: Corvus Anderran
Declock the CPU. If it's a Barton 3200+ as it would seem...
Barton is not 64 bit though... 
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Sula Bhan
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Posted - 2005.10.09 13:55:00 -
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Originally by: clone 1
Looking at this from a socio-political point of view, I would say that the Heatsink has relationship issues with the CPU. I propose that the Heatink be given incentives to help out. I feel that the Heatsink needs a reason to work with the CPU and any motivational aids you can provide would, I feel, be instantly noticed.
As it stands the Heatsink has so much unrealized potential, and suffers from a psychological lack of motivation, as soon as you give it the necessary incentives I am sure all will be much happier all round.
Sincerely
Clone 1
LOL 
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Frank Horrigan
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Posted - 2005.10.09 14:03:00 -
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Im running a amd 64 3000+ overclocked to 2370ghz and it doesnt get hot at all under eve.
to add to that, i have the stock heatsink and fan on it, and a weak 80mm areo cool fan on it.
to add to THAT, my video card has a zalman cooler on it and its overclocked sort of high, its a 6600gt and can get around 60C+ and that blows right onto my cpu heatsink.
right now ive got the side of my case off actuily (bf2 crashed horribly and eraised all its settings and wont work)and i think my vidoe card overheated becuase the graphics were the first to go, and my cpus at 39C, i dont even have a fan on it.. with the fan it gets to about 35C
If you upped the voltage from 1.5v that will do it, uped my voltage to try and hit 2400mhz, but the temp was 59C on desktop  and it was making these NASTY NASTY grinding noises, like the subway in america does when going through a corner really really fast, you know?
anyway, There is something wrong with your stuff. good luck. I hope i didn't break my cpu/gpu.. prolly just battlefileds 2 terrible coding..
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Farcus
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Posted - 2005.10.09 14:13:00 -
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Try watercooling. I have a P4 3.06ghz machine overclocked to 3.6ghz and rarely ever hit as high as 30c with the Thermaltake Aquarius 2 watercooler and 7 Fans in a Xaser II case.
The only odd thing is that all of my fans have to blow in to over-pressurize the case. Turning the rear fans to blow out as most people would say is correct actually made the machine run hotter...
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Derisor
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Posted - 2005.10.10 09:02:00 -
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Well its either the thermo sensor or the CPU. Either way Im looking at some expensive replacements .... BLAST.
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Agnar Koladrov
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Posted - 2005.10.10 09:16:00 -
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Originally by: Derisor
Well its either the thermo sensor or the CPU. Either way Im looking at some expensive replacements .... BLAST.
Dude, just pop that amd of yours into an other rig first!
No need to give out heaps of money to come to the conclusion that you bought the wrong replacement.
When that goes well, then test your mobo. This can be done at your local computer store for payment. When mobo is faulty RMA it, luckily you will have a new mobo back in some weeks time.
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Corvus Anderran
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Posted - 2005.10.10 09:21:00 -
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Edited by: Corvus Anderran on 10/10/2005 09:23:39
Originally by: Scorpyn
Edited by: Scorpyn on 09/10/2005 13:56:04
Exactly what heatsink model do you have?
Originally by: Corvus Anderran
Declock the CPU. If it's a Barton 3200+ as it would seem...
Barton is not 64 bit though...
Yeah, my bad.
Anyway, check here for a list of the specs of all the A64s. You'll need to know which core you have, which will depend on whether you have a Socket 754 or Socket 959 system, and how old it is. Off the top of my head that temperature isn't unreasonable for a first-generation A64 core, but if it's Winchester or Venice then it's a problem.
Anyway, check your BIOS and ensure it's using the correct settings. Some BIOS versions just don't recognise CPUs properly, and like to overclock them.
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Sybylle
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Posted - 2005.10.10 09:29:00 -
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Strange problem Derisor...
I got an AMD 64 3000+, 2 Gb of Corsair, a Zalman Cu and a MSI Geforce 6600 GT all in an Antec case.
Normal temp is 30ŚC, max I've reached under Far Cry so far was 37ŚC (full details, 1280*1024).
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Avon
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Posted - 2005.10.10 10:37:00 -
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I don't know if this idea will float your boat Derisor, but it might help.
On my 64 3400+ I use a big heatpipe sink & fan, and the fan speed is manually adjustable, not set by the motherboard.
Just crank the fan up enough to get your CPU to a temp you are happy with.
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Ka Sei
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Posted - 2005.10.10 12:46:00 -
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Edited by: Ka Sei on 10/10/2005 12:46:58
I have had the same problem until i just recently sorted it out. I have a 3200+ that was running between 65 and 75 degrees which isnt good. Shikari said that AMD run notoriously cool and i dont know where he got that info from but they actually run notoriously hot compared to other processors.
The key to keeping your cpu cool isnt how much air you can blow it is the airflow through your case. The optimum configuration for this is:
a fan at front of the case sucking air in
a power supply that has a fan on the underside to suck air into it and the obvious one on the back to blow it out
a fan on the rear of the case to suck the air out
the computer case case CLOSED
I have seen cases that also have a fan on the side or top of the case, but the important thing is that they have to suck ait our NEAR the processor otherwise they also suck the cold air out and not just the hot air.
If that doesnt work then something you have to be wary of is that CPU manufacturers grade the CPUs depending on test performed on them, so you can be lucky and get a 2500+ that is actually a 3200+ by design and you can also get a 3200+ that is an overperforming 2500+. If that is the case then you will see improvement in the processor by doing what someone else suggested in lowering the voltage through the CPU.
Also it never hurts to get a giant beast of a heatsink.
Remember, it is all about the flow of air most importantly.
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Critta
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Posted - 2005.10.10 13:04:00 -
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I used to have a similar problem with my old machine, added a Coolermaster Jet7 - (I know a few people who use blower fans now, and they really are the dogs danglies!)
Also threw a couple more case fans at it for good measure and all of a sudden my CPU, instead of running between 60-71 degrees now rarely tops 40..
More fans ftw!
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Musketeer
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Posted - 2005.10.10 13:39:00 -
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Derisor.
I have had Athlon CPUs running hot in the past.
Is the high temp causing your PC problems? Are you getting blue screens of death (bsods) every 5 minutes? Are other h/w components failing due to temperature? (Sorry if I'm repeating the questions of others, but I could not find any reply to them from you).
If so, take your PC to a reputable hardware engineer, and get him to check the motherboard and processor for you. He will advise you on where to go from there.
If you get no problems though, but the temp sensor says 'high temp beware', ignore it. As others have said, your system will shut down on it's own if the temp should get too high. If it should ever start causing bsods, then buy replacements then.
This may save you your 500 euros, and when/if it should die, well, you would have had to have spent it anyway.
Regards
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Pedro Gunzalez
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Posted - 2005.10.10 13:58:00 -
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I had a similar experience with an AMD. Would constantly run hot. I was told that when the chip is cut. The ones near the top end of the silican are the good 1s for over clocking, as they are almost in the next speeding rating.
The ones in the lower end are not so good for overclocking.
Some actually end up having the speed settings wrong and higher speed rating than it should be, falsely overmarking it. I know there is some software out there to test this, but I cannot remember the name.
I had 1 such chip and once I turned it down to the correct speed it was fine.
I put up with the overheating changing fans, HS etc.. for a long time. Eventually I was out of warranty and could do nothing about this, once I found out.
Just something to check.
PS. This is not AMD doing this but some idiots, and AMD chips rock for gaming. Don't care what you say. AMD forever 
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Cusi Huaman
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Posted - 2005.10.10 15:44:00 -
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I've got an amd64 3400+ of the newcastle flavour that believes to run up to 65ŚC under load (3 accounts). I know for a fact that this cpu's cooler is fit perfectly with thermal compound. I also know that a bios update exists whicht rectifies temperature issues.
As the clawhammer flavour with the same clock speed has run 15ŚC less under load I simply don't believe the newcastle is turning out 65ŚC.
Reason is that my watercooling would have no problems cooling two of these cpus at the same time. And the water temperature is quite low
I've got absolutely NO stability issues, everything's running on shortest timing for longer than a year now, only this temp measurement is ****ed.
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