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Derisor
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Posted - 2005.10.09 11:11:00 -
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It really gets annoying day after day when you spend your time helping out the "little guy" and he is bloody unappreciative and downright obnoxious. Sometimes I wonder why I bother. Not only that but just how many full fledged and bonafied sheep play Eve?? This morning Im at a gate just hanging out and some pirate warps in alone and the 4 or 5 ships there scatter to the four winds and he got an easy kill on the one of them that didnt get out in time. Nothing I could do in my AF against him but why did the two other BS and the other ships just run? JFC people, learn to grow a pair.
It makes me want to go pirate. I feel like I need a shepherds crook when hanging out in lowsec these days. People seem to be governed by their fear and not by bloody common sense and few of them seem to have the guts to defend themselves. Do people in eve have to be such sheep?
Maybe I should say "heck with it" and go pirate. Carve myself up a few sheep. Not because its proffitable or challenging but just because Im sick of fighting to defend people that wont defend themselves. Its utterly pathetic.
I have the skills to be a mean Assault Frig pirate so why do I bother staying "blue" ? Maybe there are some other pirates out there that went pirate because of this as well. Perhaps I misjudged them and they are just as sick of the sheep as I am and that is why they went pirate.
If a pirate attacks your fleet 1 pirate to your 5 ships STAND AND FIGHT!!!!!!
Sheesh
*takes deep breath*
*watches stunned silence of pirates with mouths open*
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Cloned Mark
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Posted - 2005.10.09 11:16:00 -
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Go for it!!! 
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DeGrand
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Posted - 2005.10.09 11:16:00 -
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Hehe..YARRR
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Deka Kador
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Posted - 2005.10.09 11:17:00 -
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 Originally by: Derisor
It really gets annoying day after day when you spend your time helping out the "little guy" and he is bloody unappreciative and downright obnoxious. Sometimes I wonder why I bother.
What exactly are you doing for the "little guy" and why are you doing it for their appreciation?
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Christos Hendez
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Posted - 2005.10.09 11:18:00 -
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mutton dressed as lamb
Maybe you could have helped as your a mean assault frig pilot 
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Ishana
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Posted - 2005.10.09 11:20:00 -
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Didn't you quit twice by now? Maybe if you're really this upset with the game mechanics and the community, you should just quit for good, and move on to other games that suit you better.
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Nero Scuro
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Posted - 2005.10.09 11:20:00 -
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The key is, don't try and label yourself. Just because you're a pirate, doesn't mean you have to compromise on your beliefs. I pirate occasionally, and I also help noobs if I feel like it, giving them ISK and (poor) advice.
But yes, another term for 'carebear', in my book, is sheep. I don't hate people who mine or build or whatever - I wouldn't have my ship if they didn't exist! In my book, a 'carebear' is someone who doesn't want to think, work or learn, they just want whatever it is they're trying to acheive handed to them on a platter, usually through the use of pointless and/or broken gameplay mechanics (see - lvl4 missions, instas, alts, etc, etc).
Pirates take what they want, carebears whine for it.
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Derisor
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Posted - 2005.10.09 11:21:00 -
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Originally by: Deka Kador
Originally by: Derisor
It really gets annoying day after day when you spend your time helping out the "little guy" and he is bloody unappreciative and downright obnoxious. Sometimes I wonder why I bother.
What exactly are you doing for the "little guy" and why are you doing it for their appreciation?
What Im doing is trying to educate them on how to defend agaisnt and avoid pirates. What they are doing is still running like sheep from anyone that shows up. I do a LOT of other things as well such as advocasy on the forums for which I take a WHOLE LOT of heat. I spend countless time in help answering questions and have tried to train some pilots to how to defend themselves or avoid gettign killed. All to have them run at the first sign of danger leaving me there by myself to fight the pirate. In return I mostly get surrounded by sheep that dont have a pair and arent willing to stay and fight but woudl rather I loose a ship or 6 so they can get away than help me kill the pirate.
Its pathetic. 5 vs 1 and they all warped away.
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The words "Exciting" and "Safe" are mutually exclusive; pick one.
Wanna populate 0.0 CCP? Get Rid of showing pilots in space and docked on map and neuter local!
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Derisor
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Posted - 2005.10.09 11:22:00 -
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Originally by: Ishana
Didn't you quit twice by now? Maybe if you're really this upset with the game mechanics and the community, you should just quit for good, and move on to other games that suit you better.
Possibly. I did quit for a while when my daughter was born and currently my accounts are marked cancelled. Im of 2 minds as to whether I should renew either one of them On one sid the game ticks me off, on the other side its the best MMOG out there. Maybe I should just stop playign MMOGs alltogether.
But that begs another thread ... what is it about eve that brings people back all the time ?
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The words "Exciting" and "Safe" are mutually exclusive; pick one.
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Jerusaleman
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Posted - 2005.10.09 11:22:00 -
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Originally by: Deka Kador
Originally by: Derisor
It really gets annoying day after day when you spend your time helping out the "little guy" and he is bloody unappreciative and downright obnoxious. Sometimes I wonder why I bother.
What exactly are you doing for the "little guy" and why are you doing it for their appreciation?
whats it got to do with you what he does to help or if he helps at all who cares
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Deka Kador
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Posted - 2005.10.09 11:29:00 -
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Originally by: Jerusaleman
Originally by: Deka Kador
Originally by: Derisor
It really gets annoying day after day when you spend your time helping out the "little guy" and he is bloody unappreciative and downright obnoxious. Sometimes I wonder why I bother.
What exactly are you doing for the "little guy" and why are you doing it for their appreciation?
whats it got to do with you what he does to help or if he helps at all who cares
He made this big thread about how tired he is of the ungrateful wretches he is trying to help and how they are mindless sheep etc etc.
Judging by his previous ideas, I can only imagine why he failed miserably.....despite him being a mean AF pilot.
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Derisor
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Posted - 2005.10.09 11:31:00 -
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Originally by: Deka Kador
He made this big thread about how tired he is of the ungrateful wretches he is trying to help and how they are mindless sheep etc etc.
Judging by his previous ideas, I can only imagine why he failed miserably.....despite him being a mean AF pilot.
*shrug* you are entitled to your own opinion but that doesnt mean I have to care.
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The words "Exciting" and "Safe" are mutually exclusive; pick one.
Wanna populate 0.0 CCP? Get Rid of showing pilots in space and docked on map and neuter local!
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HippoKing
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Posted - 2005.10.09 11:40:00 -
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people who run at the first sign of trouble are nowhere near as bad as those who sign up for a combat gang, and when you say "ok, warp in on him" or whatever, they make sure theyre always last, so u take all the heat (and often explode)
and people who warp away from a fight cos one of their guys exploded and they think they might get scrambled next don't deserve social security
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This Zig. For great justice!
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Chirstiansen
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Posted - 2005.10.09 11:45:00 -
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LOL, don't try to get ugly with every nOOb that comes around EVE, they are not all the same. I am (or I was? I am for 10 days by now) a nOOb and I can say I have stay'd and fight with the guy that helped me. Get ugly with the one's that cheated you, or, try to know some people's better before adventuring with them in dangerous places. Make some testing and some other things to see if they are worthy of your time. Remember pls there are good guy's in there, and there are no limits by cheating somebody (at least I don't know of one) and most important choose the rookies. I have been cheated too and you don't see me get ugly on everybody. Just with that person (it will pay twice for that). I know some that do this for making ISK. So? If they choose that way to make ISK, good for them. If we are stupids and we get after them, we pay. IT THAT SIMPLE 
If you choose to be a pirate and you can do some kicking in the ass, good for you. But what you ar etelling is not a good reasing to do that 
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Jennai
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Posted - 2005.10.09 11:48:00 -
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Originally by: Derisor
Its pathetic. 5 vs 1 and they all warped away.
always assume that everyone not in your gang is going to run away. then the situation becomes you alone vs a ganker, so you warp out along with everyone else to avoid that.
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Snake Jankins
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Posted - 2005.10.09 12:03:00 -
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Edited by: Snake Jankins on 09/10/2005 12:12:40
Originally by: HippoKing
they think they might get scrambled next
(/edit ... meaning: He should rather fit/use 2 wcs and some anti-frig stuff like drones and webber or nos instead of letting his mates alone because the ebil scrambler might target him )
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darth solo
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Posted - 2005.10.09 12:28:00 -
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Iv always helped out ppl,zzzzzz. my pirating days are coming closer each day also .
d solo.
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Derisor
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Posted - 2005.10.09 12:43:00 -
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Originally by: Jennai
Originally by: Derisor
Its pathetic. 5 vs 1 and they all warped away.
always assume that everyone not in your gang is going to run away. then the situation becomes you alone vs a ganker, so you warp out along with everyone else to avoid that.
That is pretty pathetic ... Im starting to think I judged BoB too harshly. After all, at least they dont run like scared puppys from fights.
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M3ta7h3ad
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Posted - 2005.10.09 13:08:00 -
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Edited by: M3ta7h3ad on 09/10/2005 13:10:32
Thing is, it depends what they are carrying..
If those 5 ships are carrying BPO's or similarly nice equipment, then why the hell sit around and risk it, a solo pirate can quickly turn into a fleet nowerdays. They could have been kitted out for mining and rat defence even.
There are many reasons why it is better to run than it is to sit around and risk getting killed.
Oh and as for carebears not wanting to work for it, and pirates actually doing something.
I beg to differ. The carebears get the goods by following the game's in-house roleplaying, be it missions, mining and trading, or simply winning kit in events, carebears work at this day in day out, often needing to complete long arduous missions to get some of the nicer kit. Pirates however cant be arsed to do any of this work, they just take the easy route, and reap what they can from folk.
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Myal Terego
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Posted - 2005.10.09 13:27:00 -
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Edited by: Myal Terego on 09/10/2005 13:32:12
Wonders what "social behaviour experiment" thingy thread of Derisor it is this time.... Then again, just maybe there is hope that even he has seen a little of the light
EDIT: And Darth, Theres always room for another kilt with us, we are still wating for you
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Deja Thoris
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Posted - 2005.10.09 13:42:00 -
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Originally by: M3ta7h3ad
Edited by: M3ta7h3ad on 09/10/2005 13:10:32
Thing is, it depends what they are carrying..
If those 5 ships are carrying BPO's or similarly nice equipment,
Yes, carebears being taught how to survive are always told to pack a bpo or two just in case
Derisor, a lot of "pirates" are good people too. A lot of them offer good advice to new people. They help people out financially and stuff like that.
The only difference is they blow people up.
Theres good and bad in every chosen EVE career path and I firmly believe your chosen career path does not reflect on the person behind the keyboard.
Go let your hair back and go have some fun.
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M3ta7h3ad
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Posted - 2005.10.09 13:46:00 -
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Originally by: Deja Thoris
Originally by: M3ta7h3ad
Edited by: M3ta7h3ad on 09/10/2005 13:10:32
Thing is, it depends what they are carrying..
If those 5 ships are carrying BPO's or similarly nice equipment,
Yes, carebears being taught how to survive are always told to pack a bpo or two just in case
Where does it say they are being taught how to survive? If 5 people are moving through low sec they could be carrying anything.
Desiror just mentions watching them.
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Moghydin
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Posted - 2005.10.09 15:36:00 -
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There's 1 very simple reason, why these "carebears" didn't fight and that's lack of coordination (I suppose they were in combat ships). If they were just passing by and accidentally happened to be there at the time of attack I can understand why they didn't defend themselves. Withought coordination you cannot fight. If you know that you will probably lose the 1vs1 to this pirate, you had to be sure that you will have support. And that what is missing in these situations. No one is sure that everyone else will follow, so those who are not scrambled prefer to run.
Exactly same thing happenes in RL wars too, when a handfull of armed guards can contain a croud of 100 POWs. If these pow's would fight, they could tear the guards apart, but that usually never happenes. No one knowes what the other person will do, so no one is taking the risk of being killed.
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Rod Blaine
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Posted - 2005.10.09 15:48:00 -
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I dont doubt Derisor spends time helping out others. He seems like a person that would to me.
However, trying to get random passers by to organise themselves against a pirate attack on short notice is one of the most futile exercises in Eve.
It's been tried countless times before, and it always fails.
Why ? Because these people dont have the experience in fast coordination needed to even get a decent gang going.
It's nothing strange, I still see people that actually live in 0.0 that sometimes struggle to get something remotely disciplined on the road on their teamspeak. Personally, I dont get that, but then again, i'm used to it and they are not.
If you want to make individuals in low sec more aware of their defensive options, then do it corp by corp, not system by system. The basis of organisation must be there to get people to work together, especially when it comes to relatively new ind individualistic players in empire space.
Organisation depends on leadership, without a leader taking charge, alot of people simply dont get involved. That goes for most situations btw, not just combat.
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Rivek
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Posted - 2005.10.09 15:54:00 -
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Turn pirate, experience both sides of the fence. You'll be that much better equiped to help others again later if you choose to. |
Muthsera
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Posted - 2005.10.09 16:19:00 -
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Rod here explains it perfectly. Problem whit many corps is that they just can't respond well to any organiced fighting corp. And some corps just don't seem to learn.
Whit that said. I really don't like ppl who never really pvp saying they will go pirate. Becus I consider piracy dead. It usually have a very tactical advantage behind it if you experiance a random kill. What you should say however is that you change your attitude towards fighting. Becus thats whats it's all about. You change your view about fighting from defence mode to aggression. Becus thats where it lies. If your the aggressor your are the one usually in possision of desision. If your in defence mode you need to always react to your oponents choices. Who dares wins.
SoonÖ
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Kraythe
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Posted - 2005.10.09 16:51:00 -
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Rod: TBH Im sick of trying. I am finding myself spending more time annoyed with the sheep.
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Hippey
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Posted - 2005.10.09 17:24:00 -
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Yes go pirate and get -5 so I can pod you until your harddrive formats.
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If you do nothing to stop slavery, you do everything to support it!
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Deka Kador
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Posted - 2005.10.09 17:36:00 -
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Originally by: Hippey
Yes go pirate and get -5 so I can pod you until your harddrive formats.
I endorse this idea.
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Caeden Nicomachean
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Posted - 2005.10.09 17:37:00 -
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Originally by: Hippey
Yes go pirate and get -5 so I can pod you until your harddrive formats.
Really though, Derisor you ought to do it. You dig attention.
I have to say though with all your "this tears it!" posts, I don't have a lot of confidence you will stick with it long enough to get a bounty hefty enough to be arsed to fly out to Kador for.
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