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Nero Scuro
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Posted - 2005.10.09 17:51:00 -
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Really though, Derisor you ought to do it. You dig attention.
Derisor likes attention!? Between accusing people of stalking him, inventing a secretly setup CCP-funded cadre of 23 people dedicated to discrediting his ideas, numerous posts about quitting and posting about other random problems that aren't related to EVE (CPU melting, etc), we had no idea. 
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Wild Rho
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Posted - 2005.10.09 18:16:00 -
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If you do go pirate, do it for a few weeks spend some time on the forums reading through some of your posts and those of some others where pirate players are "whining" and see if you have a better idea what point they were trying to make.
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Hellspawn666
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Posted - 2005.10.09 18:20:00 -
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Hmm im kinda glad that people are so panzy since i often warp in on 10-12 bs with a small group or on my own i always play on the fact that they will all leg it in fear of more coming allowing me to pick off a small amount that i keep trapped there. :) Its because they dont have pvp experiance to work out the intel before leggin it.
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Derisor
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Posted - 2005.10.09 18:27:00 -
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Originally by: Caeden Nicomachean
Originally by: Hippey
Yes go pirate and get -5 so I can pod you until your harddrive formats.
Really though, Derisor you ought to do it. You dig attention.
I have to say though with all your "this tears it!" posts, I don't have a lot of confidence you will stick with it long enough to get a bounty hefty enough to be arsed to fly out to Kador for.
Actually I usually live in Khanid. =)
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Ranger 1
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Posted - 2005.10.09 18:37:00 -
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Any way you cut it, in Eve, defense sucks.
Whether you go pirate or not, I'd suggest going more on the offensive... perhaps training up those noobs to do the same.
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Clementina
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Posted - 2005.10.09 20:30:00 -
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The reason why all those people warped is because anyone not in Alliance chat, corp chat, gang chat or on TS can be assumed to warp out when trouble comes, especally in low sec.
Therefore, since these people were not affiliated with each other, they were not counting on each other's help. And the 1v5 that you throught you saw was actually 5 1v1's. So yea, everyone decided to bounce.
People also warp out by mistake when they are associated. Just like people stay around too long in a fight and get pwned. Infact courage and cowardice are two sides of the same coin, too much of one will get you into big trouble.
This image might be helpful -->    You're that guy in the middle, there's a carebear on your right and a pirate on your left, both side seat driving, at any time one of them is offering better advice, which one? I don't know.
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Necrologic
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Posted - 2005.10.09 20:47:00 -
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I'd guess you wouldn't have made this post unless you'd already decided, or mostly decided. The whole sheep thing is definatly something that keeps me pirate. If you need some pirating advice feel free to convo me.
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Ikvar
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Posted - 2005.10.09 21:51:00 -
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Derisor, what do you think I think when say, I just warped in on two cruisers both from the same corp (Vexor and Rax) in my Thorax and the Rax pilot ran and let his mate in the Vexor be killed by me?
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infused
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Posted - 2005.10.09 21:54:00 -
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It's funny in 00 when an inty enters a system and all the ratting battleships go dock... :)
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Rendill
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Posted - 2005.10.09 22:02:00 -
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Actually you referring to peeps as 'the little guy' speaks volumes about your psyche.
Also backs up your words in Assiettes tonite, when a pirate entered system and logged. After soemone shouted in locla about him, one of our very new players lets out a 'hes running from me hehe' in a joking manner, to which you replied 'actually he's running from me, he wouldnt run from a noob' or words to those effect.
So if you were defending us 'noobs' then two things:
1) We didnt ask for your help
2) We dont need your help
So go find other sheep, we aint gonna go BAAAA for you.
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Snake Jankins
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Posted - 2005.10.09 23:23:00 -
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Edited by: Snake Jankins on 09/10/2005 23:32:01
Originally by: infused
It's funny in 00 when an inty enters a system and all the ratting battleships go dock... :)
Yes, the problem is, that one inti who enters a system is often a scout for the rest of the fleet who just waits to jump in and do a warp to member / warp in the right belt. Ok, covert ops is probably even better.
I've seen both sides now. Once I lost a Raven when I tried to help a mate who was attacked while npc'ing.
And I've been in a fleet with 12 interceptors when we tore a raven apart. In that moment I really felt the pilots pain. A slow death. 
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Malakai88
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Posted - 2005.10.09 23:51:00 -
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Well I'm new and I've had 3 gank attempts on me, one of which was successful.
So I died in a rifter (had just trained minnie frig 3, just to test it out). I got hijacked testing the setup in a 0.3 belt and an asteroid got in the way of my warp align and I got killed (but not podded).
The second time was a long range gate camp in a 0.4 system (amamake IIRC). I was on autopilot but not afk so I got away.
The third time I got warp scrambled in a 0.2 asteroid belt in my duramaller. I was webbed but I webbed my attacker and just about killed him as he warped out.
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Corvus Anderran
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Posted - 2005.10.10 01:57:00 -
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Originally by: Ikvar
Derisor, what do you think I think when say, I just warped in on two cruisers both from the same corp (Vexor and Rax) in my Thorax and the Rax pilot ran and let his mate in the Vexor be killed by me?
If they're in the same corp I can perhaps offer an explanation for that, having been in that position myself. I was in a deadspace in a Prophecy, with a corpmate in a Rupture, when two hostiles warped in, one in a Rax, one in a Crusader. We had cleared out that particular section and were just heading for the gate to move on, so the rats weren't really a problem, but I had already lost a ship that day (I'm not very rich), and I wasn't sure of the state of my corpmate's ship. I had already lost all my drones to the rats.
So I told my corpmate to get out and started to align my ship, figuring we might have a chance but I wasn't in the mood for losing another ship in the same day. My corpmate got out, I got scrambled before I could align. Afterwards the Rax pilot asked my corpmate why he ran instead of fighting when he could have won, so I convo'd him and explained things.
If it was just you in a tech 1 frigate or a ceptor then I can't see a reason for them to leave. Certainly if I had been scrambled before he left my corpmate would have stuck around to fight - we either both leave or neither of us did, and the only reason we both tried to was because in the few seconds I had before the ceptor scrambled one of us and decided things I decided we should run. I don't think many people will run from clearly favourable odds, but if things are close they might have good reason.
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Spaja Saist
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Posted - 2005.10.10 04:41:00 -
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1. Not everyone plays eve to pvp. And some who do just aren't good at it.
2. There are no "good" pirates. Killing and stealing are bad...mmkay.
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So'Kar
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Posted - 2005.10.10 07:03:00 -
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Go pirate or whatever, but quit the whining(it cant be fun). You are paying monthly fees to have fun in eve and if you think you will have more fun pirating then go for it.
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CelticKnight
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Posted - 2005.10.10 07:37:00 -
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heh.. Dont say it. Do it. THEN brag
Originally by: Oveur
I can make 100 Trillion ISK with a single click.
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Derisor
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Posted - 2005.10.10 08:41:00 -
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Originally by: Rendill
Actually you referring to peeps as 'the little guy' speaks volumes about your psyche.
Also backs up your words in Assiettes tonite, when a pirate entered system and logged. After soemone shouted in locla about him, one of our very new players lets out a 'hes running from me hehe' in a joking manner, to which you replied 'actually he's running from me, he wouldnt run from a noob' or words to those effect.
So if you were defending us 'noobs' then two things:
1) We didnt ask for your help
2) We dont need your help
So go find other sheep, we aint gonna go BAAAA for you.
Actually I had chased that pirate through 3 lowsec systems but he had very good instas and was flying a shuttle which is bloody hard to lock. Too bad you didnt mention that, nor mention that I hunted him another 2 hours while you simply left to go ... pick your nose? The fact is a shuttly has jack all to fear from a BS. He can warp away before you have a PRAYER of locking him.
Now you see people ... this is why Im starting to hate the bloody carebears in the game. They sit outside a station with 3 BS camping a shuttle (forgetting that the shuttle can align and warp much faster than they can lock) and then they think they are hot doggie doodoo. Yet when a pirate comes in on their ratting adventure with a well armed ship, they scatter like flies.
PATHETIC.
I solo chased that guy and 2 other pirates that night. I blew up a rifter and a terranis (left my painter off til he was in armor and so was I and he thought he might win ..  ) These were SOLO chases. I didnt bloody run when the terranis locked me, I fought him and WON.
pffft .... my pirate days are getting closer. Wouldnt it be ironic ..lol.
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Derisor
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Posted - 2005.10.10 08:42:00 -
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Originally by: Ikvar
Derisor, what do you think I think when say, I just warped in on two cruisers both from the same corp (Vexor and Rax) in my Thorax and the Rax pilot ran and let his mate in the Vexor be killed by me?
Typical frightened puppy syndrome. Lucky for you because if they had turned and fought you together you would have been toast or warping away seriously limping.
These days many eve players are like a golfer that has put all his shots in the water .... no more balls.
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Deka Kador
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Posted - 2005.10.10 08:43:00 -
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You killed a Rifter and a Taranis? Derisor, give me the names of these dastardly pirates so we can mock them from afar in our BS.
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Deka Kador
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Posted - 2005.10.10 08:46:00 -
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Edited by: Deka Kador on 10/10/2005 08:48:28
Edited by: Deka Kador on 10/10/2005 08:47:02
Originally by: Derisor
Originally by: Ikvar
Derisor, what do you think I think when say, I just warped in on two cruisers both from the same corp (Vexor and Rax) in my Thorax and the Rax pilot ran and let his mate in the Vexor be killed by me?
Typical frightened puppy syndrome. Lucky for you because if they had turned and fought you together you would have been toast or warping away seriously limping.
These days many eve players are like a golfer that has put all his shots in the water .... no more balls.
Two players at a gate are not likely to be communicating in any way shape or form if they are travelling but you expect them to trust each other enough to initiate an attack against a pk'er? What if one of the cruisers had cargo expanders on to transport expensive goods more safely than a hauler could? That would leave the other cruiser very vulnerable.
Ever stop to think about that, Derisor, before you opened your big mouth?
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Derisor
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Posted - 2005.10.10 08:47:00 -
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Edited by: Derisor on 10/10/2005 08:48:58
Originally by: Deka Kador
You killed a Rifter and a Taranis? Derisor, give me the names of these dastardly pirates so we can mock them from afar in our BS.
I dont kiss and tell. But losing an inty to a drone packing assualt frig is nothing to be ashamed of. He made a good fight and I didnt pod him out of respect. I dont need to put up kill mails or any of that other easily forged BS and if you dont believe me I frankly couldnt care less.
Originally by: Deka Kador
Two players at a gate are not likely to be communicating in any way shape or form if they are travelling but you expec tthem to trust each other enough to initiate an attack against a pk'er? what if one of the cruisers had cargo expanders on to transport expensive goods more safely than a haulr could?
Ever stop to think about that, Derisor, before you opened your big mouth?
Yes. I thought about it. I locked the bugger, why didnt they? They ran from a 5 to 1 battle. Thats pretty pathetic. It doest take jack all coordination for 5 ships to kill one.
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Deka Kador
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Posted - 2005.10.10 08:48:00 -
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Originally by: Derisor
Originally by: Deka Kador
You killed a Rifter and a Taranis? Derisor, give me the names of these dastardly pirates so we can mock them from afar in our BS.
I dont kiss and tell. But losing an inty to a drone packing assualt frig is nothing to be ashamed of. He made a good fight and I didnt pod him out of respect. I dont need to put up kill mails or any of that other easily forged BS and if you dont believe me I frankly couldnt care less.
If only you didn't tell at all.
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Derisor
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Posted - 2005.10.10 08:51:00 -
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Edited by: Derisor on 10/10/2005 08:52:34
Originally by: Deka Kador
Originally by: Derisor
Originally by: Deka Kador
You killed a Rifter and a Taranis? Derisor, give me the names of these dastardly pirates so we can mock them from afar in our BS.
I dont kiss and tell. But losing an inty to a drone packing assualt frig is nothing to be ashamed of. He made a good fight and I didnt pod him out of respect. I dont need to put up kill mails or any of that other easily forged BS and if you dont believe me I frankly couldnt care less.
If only you didn't tell at all.
You implied I was lieing. What is more, you implied that you were being heroic sitting in a 0.6 system on a station to hunt a -6.7 pirate in a shuttle while flying three battleships. If you were so heroic why didnt you go into lowsec to find them and chase them? Im not heroic either but at least I have no delusions about being so.
If you had been serious about catching him you would have equipped something capable of locking him instead of tickling each other with torpedos to pass the time.
Do try to be a little rational.
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Deka Kador
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Posted - 2005.10.10 08:52:00 -
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Originally by: Derisor
Edited by: Derisor on 10/10/2005 08:48:58
Originally by: Deka Kador
You killed a Rifter and a Taranis? Derisor, give me the names of these dastardly pirates so we can mock them from afar in our BS.
I dont kiss and tell. But losing an inty to a drone packing assualt frig is nothing to be ashamed of. He made a good fight and I didnt pod him out of respect. I dont need to put up kill mails or any of that other easily forged BS and if you dont believe me I frankly couldnt care less.
Originally by: Deka Kador
Two players at a gate are not likely to be communicating in any way shape or form if they are travelling but you expec tthem to trust each other enough to initiate an attack against a pk'er? what if one of the cruisers had cargo expanders on to transport expensive goods more safely than a haulr could?
Ever stop to think about that, Derisor, before you opened your big mouth?
Yes. I thought about it. I locked the bugger, why didnt they? They ran from a 5 to 1 battle. Thats pretty pathetic. It doest take jack all coordination for 5 ships to kill one.
Maybe they weren't equipped? Maybe they didn't know you had locked them?
Think before you call people sheep, Derisor, because, by doing that, you're just becoming a different kind of sheep.
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Derisor
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Posted - 2005.10.10 08:55:00 -
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Originally by: Deka Kador
Maybe they weren't equipped? Maybe they didn't know you had locked them?
Think before you call people sheep, Derisor, because, by doing that, you're just becoming a different kind of sheep.
They werent equipped with courage. Five ships loaded with spitwads could kill a lone ship. Five ratting setups can handle a lone pirate to at least make him fly away if they dont have disruptors. Instead someone says on local "watch out for the pirate" and they all warp off. That guy from MAFIA (dont remember the name .. sorry) must have been laughing his keester off.
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Corvus Anderran
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Posted - 2005.10.10 09:03:00 -
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You're not arguing that just those few people might not have been prepared. You're trying to say that the majority of players around gates in lowsec who aren't pirates aren't setup for PvP at all, which is quite clearly not true. This isn't a one off, this is stuff that happens regularly. Sure, some of those cruisers around will have named expanders on and valuable cargo, but there's got to be just as many who are fully combat prepared, certainly enough to help in a 5v1 fight against pirate.
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Deka Kador
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Posted - 2005.10.10 09:06:00 -
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Originally by: Derisor
Originally by: Deka Kador
Maybe they weren't equipped? Maybe they didn't know you had locked them?
Think before you call people sheep, Derisor, because, by doing that, you're just becoming a different kind of sheep.
They werent equipped with courage. Five ships loaded with spitwads could kill a lone ship. Five ratting setups can handle a lone pirate to at least make him fly away if they dont have disruptors. Instead someone says on local "watch out for the pirate" and they all warp off. That guy from MAFIA (dont remember the name .. sorry) must have been laughing his keester off.
Courage without organisation and communication just gets you ganked even 5 vs 1.
Since we're generalizing so much, Derisor, most pk'ers/pirates can spot an organised gang a mile off - there are loads of pirate hunters out there who've tried all the tricks in the book to catch pk'ers but when it comes down to it, alts on a gate win the tactical battle most times.
You simply cannot gang with complete strangers in 0.4 - how do you know you aren't ganging a pirate? Not all of them have negative ratings.
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Deka Kador
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Posted - 2005.10.10 09:11:00 -
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Originally by: Corvus Anderran
You're not arguing that just those few people might not have been prepared. You're trying to say that the majority of players around gates in lowsec who aren't pirates aren't setup for PvP at all, which is quite clearly not true. This isn't a one off, this is stuff that happens regularly. Sure, some of those cruisers around will have named expanders on and valuable cargo, but there's got to be just as many who are fully combat prepared, certainly enough to help in a 5v1 fight against pirate.
Like I said to Derisor, courage without organisation and communication is no guarentee of success.
For most pirate setups, 5 cruisers wouldn't be a problem and it isn't like a cruiser can get into scramble range that quickly, is it? Cruisers don't benefit from focused fire like BS do.
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Derisor
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Posted - 2005.10.10 09:12:00 -
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You are making excuses. Weak ones. I have seen all manner of things similar to this. As the other person pointed out, this isnt a seldom happening occurrence, it is routine. The true fact of the matter is that just like other PvP games out there, there are a large contingent of sheep and the pirates rely on the fact that sheep are scared and that if they fly into the fold on them, the sheep will mostly run away, leaving them to pick off a slow one or two.
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Deka Kador
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Posted - 2005.10.10 09:13:00 -
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Originally by: Derisor
You are making excuses. Weak ones. I have seen all manner of things similar to this. As the other person pointed out, this isnt a seldom happening occurrence, it is routine. The true fact of the matter is that just like other PvP games out there, there are a large contingent of sheep and the pirates rely on the fact that sheep are scared and that if they fly into the fold on them, the sheep will mostly run away, leaving them to pick off a slow one or two.
So you're saying, "If you can't beat them, join them"?
I think that says much for your own testicular fortitude, Derisor, if you're taking the easy road like that. It IS the easy road, if your stories are to be trusted and believed, after all.
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