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Cabadrin
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Posted - 2005.10.13 03:44:00 -
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I very much agree. I feel like CCP starts many of these awesome stories and then reallocate manpower and the stories just get, well, forgotten. It's too bad, because it adds real immersion for role players. It's also real cool to read about in the news. Can we get a CCP response to this? When can we expect these to be concluded?
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Cabadrin
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Posted - 2005.10.13 03:50:00 -
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Actually, just found this from the extra questions posted in omgrawr post-devchat:
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Richardsson: The Gallente Elections was an event, which required far too much time of internal resources which were already overloaded. All positions and titles such as Senator or General will eventually be accessible via ingame support of rewarding achievements through systems like Factional Warfare or other means of furthering your factions/corporations agenda.
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Dragon Master
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Posted - 2005.10.13 04:26:00 -
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About the only thing worse than a dangling story is a half hearted quick wrapup of a story that leaves people unsatisfied. |
Alberto
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Posted - 2005.10.13 06:09:00 -
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Man' to hell with those damn stories!
That is wasting valuable time that the devÆs could be spending on content that evolves the game.
That can be used by every one.
Yep to hell with the one shot bedtime stories
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Herko Kerghans
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Posted - 2005.10.13 07:24:00 -
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Originally by: Alberto
That is wasting valuable time that the devÆs could be spending on content that evolves the game.
That can be used by every one.
Well... as a matter of fact, a story can be used by everybody. More than, say, a Titan, that (as it should be), is high-end content tailored for big corps only.
Making a solid, leaving, breathing and kicking backstory requieres a lot less resources than a new module or ship. A module has to be designed, programmed, balanced, tested, introduced during a patch, de-bugged... stories are just text, whaddaya know.
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Ly'sol
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Posted - 2005.10.13 07:34:00 -
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Originally by: Herko Kerghans
Originally by: Alberto
That is wasting valuable time that the devÆs could be spending on content that evolves the game.
That can be used by every one.
Well... as a matter of fact, a story can be used by everybody. More than, say, a Titan, that (as it should be), is high-end content tailored for big corps only.
Making a solid, leaving, breathing and kicking backstory requieres a lot less resources than a new module or ship. A module has to be designed, programmed, balanced, tested, introduced during a patch, de-bugged... stories are just text, whaddaya know.
Easy killer. Some people dont like seeing those things called words in those things called books....they are much happier being shown pretty pictures and sounds so thier imagination doesnt have to work so hard.
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Mangold
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Posted - 2005.10.13 07:40:00 -
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Originally by: Alberto
Man' to hell with those damn stories!
That is wasting valuable time that the devÆs could be spending on content that evolves the game.
That can be used by every one.
Yep to hell with the one shot bedtime stories
I respectfully disagree.
The stories ARE content. Every story has added depth to the game imao.
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Delath
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Posted - 2005.10.13 08:03:00 -
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Edited by: Delath on 13/10/2005 08:03:35
I don't RP anything except for some friendly banter with my Caldari corpmates but still I would trade the introduction of titans for actually finished stories any day. They add a very valueable and interesting layer to the game that I miss alot - what's worse is that the unfinished stuff actually make CCP look incompetent and makes me very reluctant to join an event even if I happened upon one.
Me: So is WOW any fun?
My WOW-playing friend: Not really - mostly addictive. You run around in the forest, kill pigs and collect their nosebones.
Me: ?!? |
Alberto
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Posted - 2005.10.13 08:32:00 -
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Edited by: Alberto on 13/10/2005 08:32:23
Originally by: Delath
Edited by: Delath on 13/10/2005 08:03:35
I don't RP anything except for some friendly banter with my Caldari corpmates but still I would trade the introduction of titans for actually finished stories any day. They add a very valueable and interesting layer to the game that I miss alot - what's worse is that the unfinished stuff actually make CCP look incompetent and makes me very reluctant to join an event even if I happened upon one.
The whole damn game is incomplete in more than one ways!
So stop acting like someone just stole your puppy  k!
Logic is the key to eveÆs true potentials
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Rodj Blake
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Posted - 2005.10.13 08:40:00 -
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Some time ago there was a series of events where mystery ships were wnadering around Providence.
Eventually the CVA and other local forces captured one of the pilots with "assistance" from Viceroy et al.
We then had another event to transport the prisoner to another location.
And there the story ends.
To my knowledge, nothing has happened since.
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Herko Kerghans
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Posted - 2005.10.13 08:42:00 -
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Originally by: Ly'sol
...they are much happier being shown pretty pictures ...
Hey, can have that too... CCP's art dept and the Chronicle illustrations are teh kickass, so everybody happy!! 
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Maggot
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Posted - 2005.10.13 09:17:00 -
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Originally by: Alberto
Man' to hell with those damn stories!
That is wasting valuable time that the devÆs could be spending on content that evolves the game.
That can be used by every one.
Yep to hell with the one shot bedtime stories
Story arc writers are not devs.
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Delath
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Posted - 2005.10.13 09:20:00 -
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Originally by: Alberto
Edited by: Alberto on 13/10/2005 08:32:23
The whole damn game is incomplete in more than one ways!
So stop acting like someone just stole your puppy k!
Logic is the key to eveÆs true potentials
Granted there's a lot of not yet implemented things in the game but the difference is they're not started on and never returned to without even a hint on where/why they got lost. Also this is affecting a whole branch of the game - it's not just one story unfinished - it's most of them. It's like if they everytime they introduced a new cool ship stopped when having designed the defence "nah guns takes too much devtime to design - it's lowpriority". If they don't have the resources necessary assigned to a story then they shouldn't start it. If that means we'll have to do with stories that impacts the world less then so be it - at least they'll be finished and they can tell us the bigger events in text only.
And then I'm not even an RP:er - just, as a lot of people, generally like to have some good stories, background to enrich the world. Imagine being those poor guy's whose reason for playing the game is what CCP set up here.
Me: So is WOW any fun?
My WOW-playing friend: Not really - mostly addictive. You run around in the forest, kill pigs and collect their nosebones.
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Sanaen Eydanwadh
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Posted - 2005.10.13 09:28:00 -
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Originally by: Alberto
Man' to hell with those damn stories!
That is wasting valuable time that the devÆs could be spending on content that evolves the game.
eeer, agree... Please CCP complete the content that evolves the game. That is to say, the background and storylines Damn seriously, do people really consider that some new faction ammo BPO (whatever) is more important than the death of the Amarr Emperor? Hell, who really cares about new "content" if content = some stuff with a kind of tweaked parameter to get on a mission ship?
Slightly off-topic, but it sounds like this thread is getting about "is the RP aspect worth anything in EVE". We all agree that EVE is fundamentally about PvP don't we? Providing PvP isn't just about F1-F8ing each other
What's PvP... let's summarize it as player interaction, competition, fight, collaboration, within the rules of the game's universe?
mmh roleplay... playing as a character being a part of a community/ society, within the principes of the game's background? Well these are quite simplified definitions but they sound quite good IMO
Conclusion: PvP = RP
Conclusion 2: EVE is primarily about roleplaying \o/
Conclusion 2bis: has anyone a cookie?
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Celebon
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Posted - 2005.10.13 09:53:00 -
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Imho, the thing that keeps alot of the RP running in EVE is PvP and the story arcs that people can take part in. I mean, just look at the list of RP corps and the overwhealming majority are in the amarr and minnie camps.
Taking the PvP aspect, the Amarran and Minnie alliances thrive becauase of the PvP "allowed" by the slave/slaver thing. Where as most of the Caldari and Gallente ones kinda just drop off the map because of a *lack* of PvP. TKI's kinda just gone quiesant. Saying that though, look at CAIN. They weren't well known at all in the RP scene much outside of the Caldari channels until the Insorium EVENT. Then *BAM* they got involved with the Minnie/Amarr arcs and everything took off and they're much more widely known. That whole arc just died though.
Admitadly it's up to the players to create their own content and keep it going in a way, but its very disheartening when something is started and just dies off from CCP's side (be it CCP or Aurora). It's not much encouragement to keep going. :/
The story arcs themselves give players hooks to get them and keep them intersted in the EVE story line. I've taken part in dozens of EVENTs and they're great fun, everyones enjoyed them and its gotten people immersed in the game. I've written storys about them and put stuff in the EVENTs forum to keep people updated when i can, bring them up in racial channels so other players can hear about them but i end up thinking time and time again . . . whats the point? Its not like the bigger arcs get finished or go anywhere. *shrugs* EVENT staff vs player interaction should be a big key here with rewards, status etc for RP, taking part in the community. I do hope it will not be for running 2,000 missions for a NPC agent.
Ah, so the Senator for Everyshore is . . . xXxPWNEDj00xXx. And the member of the republic for Metropolis is an Amarran called The Enslaver. The commander of the CEP protection force also does missions on the side for the Guritas.
Anyways, I do hope that the EVENTS that have been running get finished eventually and that someone takes the time to do a write up or at least a news story in some fashion. Bah, I think I'll just quit Drink Starsi and go join corp that does missions all day. Means i don't have to talk in brackets all the time and I have less expectations about the game.  Although maybe i'll just rewrite my character and go join one of the Minnie or Amarran factions. *shrugs*
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Raem Civrie
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Posted - 2005.10.13 10:54:00 -
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I'm going to go out on a limb here and criticize CCP without writing a lengthy post about potential rectifications, because other people have already done that.
From bleeding day one, the Events have been a dud. Right, anyone remember the Amarr Succession? Deathwing heads an impromptou coup in an effort to aid Jamyl Sarum. What happens? "No, my life is forfeit! Now watch my ship go up in fireworks!". It was the most perfect opportunity EVER for a brilliant moment of fiction, but CCP stuck to the script. In fact, I doubt they seriously considered the eventuality of this.
The Caldari race made me *groan*. Evolution buttsexed an entire race, the responsible admins took a backflip, but in the end it happened because Evol were told where it'd be (I assume by someone in the race itself, in which case I commend them for stupidly fast arrival and setup. If prior to event... weeeellll...)
The Gallente Elections are *lol*. Just.... *lol*. Seriously. Are you guys even trying?
And most recently, the Serpentii invasion into Stacmon. OFFICER SPAWNS! And players got warned by one GM not to chain them, due to an obvious bug. That was immediately overridden by another GM. Hello miscommunication and mishandling of event!
And let's not even go into Finite Horizon and their repeated (not to mention hilarious) hijinx in aurora-run events, events that are usually dull and repetetive affairs. At one point, they were so exasperated that DED threatened/promised immediate action. FZN gathered their largest fleet to date, all in battleships and... nothing. DED was a no-show. Later bansticks were threatened should they continue to "disrupt" events. Note that in many cases they simply aided the "bad guys", such as serpentii pirates, instead of sticking to the script.
The problem here seems to be near-total inflexibility in event handling, shockingly bad co-ordination and just plain lack of effort.
You want my advice? Reorganize the entire Aurora department, remove the "no forum warning" rule because damnit, I get the feeling that like 3/4 of active forum users have been warned or banned already, and those are the people that are on top of things in terms of politics, fiction and such things. You know, people that might be qualified.
Aurora needs an edge. A huge, bleeding edge. Right now events are simplistic, repetetive and just plain dull. Gather a rag-tag fleet and kill max-skill battleships. Go take this item over there. Ad nauseam. Is this due to lack of initiative, lack of imagination, or lack of empowerment on the part of Aurora actors? Are they really that lazy and or do they lack the proper tools and scope of action to actually do something worthwhile?
Seriously CCP. Either do it properly OR NOT AT ALL. Bad RP is worse than no RP. Just look at the summits for proof.
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Mangus Thermopyle
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Posted - 2005.10.13 12:00:00 -
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Are there actually events in the game? I thought the news items where just for show? 
Seriously, more events would be nice. Everything from events targeted for the alone rookie to big corps could be done, and would really make EVE feel more alive.
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Fester Addams
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Posted - 2005.10.13 12:14:00 -
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I have posted this before but here it goes again:
A very easy way to set upp a roleplay conflict that additionally apeases the PvP players is to start NPC wars.
Firstly before all the PK gankers wet themselves and all the peacefull high sec PvE players start considering canceling their accounts...
Im NOT talking about a global free for all, Im talking about selecting a small number of insignificant NPC corporations, allow players with enough standing to join thise select few corporations and have the corporations declare war on each other.
In my example I think I had the Amarrian family Saurum declare war on the Minmatar tribe Krusual.
In reality the exact corps chosen is not all that important, the only thing is they should be fairly small and have roughly equal resources.
The above two have 12 stations each and the stations are fairly close to each other.
Simply create a number of corp complexes that can be taken out as a meens to progress the war.
A minimal amount of effort from the devs would then be needed to keep people interested in the conflict.
setting upp 5 or six such conflicts should be really easy and I would wager the wars would be very hot initially and they would remain hot for a very long time, I know I would get in on the action.
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20. Is it true all pvpers have carebear alts?
Yes, of course. I have so much fun looking up who's alt is who's
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Narciss Sevar
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Posted - 2005.10.13 12:56:00 -
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Edited by: Narciss Sevar on 13/10/2005 12:56:29
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Seriously CCP. Either do it properly OR NOT AT ALL. Bad RP is worse than no RP. Just look at the summits for proof.
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Bullfights. Bull hockey. Do you like this? The bull is stabbed, prodded, beaten. The bull is wounded. The bull is tired before the matador ever steps into the ring. Now, is that victory? Of course |
Raem Civrie
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Posted - 2005.10.13 13:47:00 -
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Originally by: Narciss Sevar
Edited by: Narciss Sevar on 13/10/2005 12:56:29
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Seriously CCP. Either do it properly OR NOT AT ALL. Bad RP is worse than no RP. Just look at the summits for proof.
It's called building up to a point. I'd call you a cretin, but it'd be against the rules. So I won't.
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Zarithas
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Posted - 2005.10.13 14:36:00 -
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I think there should be an event where a certain group of pirates attempts to take over some sort of place. Every maybe 1 hour a group of 10+ powerful rats (NPC pirates) attack a certain spot, possibly random possibly not. I think this will cause excitement, and these rats should be capable of killing CONCORD.
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Tharrn
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Posted - 2005.10.13 14:48:00 -
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I have stopped bothering with 'official' events ever since we hauled the whole bloody Tetrimon library to Amarr, which is where that arc died like a year ago.
The recruitment procedure for Aurora is just like the arcs... I volunteered via the ISD program, got into the second round of the process, had an interview with a GM who told me that they would get in contact with me and that's where that arc ended :P Never ever received any further messages, not even a 'Sorry, dude. You don't have what we are looking for.' That was quite disappointing but appears to be symptomatic :/
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Raem Civrie
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Posted - 2005.10.13 15:15:00 -
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Originally by: Tharrn
The recruitment procedure for Aurora is just like the arcs... I volunteered via the ISD program, got into the second round of the process, had an interview with a GM who told me that they would get in contact with me and that's where that arc ended :P Never ever received any further messages, not even a 'Sorry, dude. You don't have what we are looking for.' That was quite disappointing but appears to be symptomatic :/
It is. A year or two I applied, went through interviews, then *poof*.
When I later remarked about this, I was told to put in an application. I was then rejected outright since I had RECEIVED A FORUM WARNING in the meantime.
The liberal use of forum warnings and the implications they carry causes people to become increasingly antagonistic towards the modsquad. They shouldn't be surprised that they meet resistence amongst many forum goers.
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Uther Doull
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Posted - 2005.10.13 16:08:00 -
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Originally by: Tharrn
The recruitment procedure for Aurora is just like the arcs... I volunteered via the ISD program, got into the second round of the process, had an interview with a GM who told me that they would get in contact with me and that's where that arc ended :P Never ever received any further messages, not even a 'Sorry, dude. You don't have what we are looking for.' That was quite disappointing but appears to be symptomatic :/
same here
applied months ago, took em about a month and a half to invite me onto irc for an interview
i did the interview and now, months later, i haven't heard anything about it...
and i thought manpower was the main problems with events :(
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Shidhe
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Posted - 2005.10.13 16:36:00 -
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I agree that too little priority is given to the storyline. OK, maybe lots of players dont pay much attention, but it provides a convincing backdrop to the PVP, economics etc. It provides common causes and stories for everyone. EVE would be much poorer without it.
Having said that, it sems that it is very difficult to organise, and the DEVs have many other concerns. To increase the amount of storyline significantly, the players will have to do the bulk of the work. The problem here is communication - how to make sure that everyone can know what is going on...
It seems that CCP will be letting players use the billboards (latest DEV chat), and this may become an important roleplaying forum. It should make player led events easier - and in 0.0 you dont have concord stopping the fun. Organise from the grass roots - first a system, then a constellation, then a region, then...
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Famine Aligher'ri
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Posted - 2005.10.13 17:32:00 -
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I don't think CCP could help the RP community here. It is needed but most of the big RP alliances just don't RP in game. It's cool that you feel the story is lacking and all of that other mess mentioned. But if you can't RP or even do something much more with what little you got. Then obviously you can't RP. Roleplay is what you make it and I'm affraid that most of you can't make anything (Hence the post).
I kinda gave up on the RP community when I had 2 Ushra'Khan smack talk me. As well another blow me up and there idea of RP killing was saying "CONVERT OR DIE!!!" 2 seconds later pop...
Eve is what you make it. Why is RP any diffrent?
-Famine Aligher'ri, of The Aligher'ri
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Raem Civrie
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Posted - 2005.10.13 20:09:00 -
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Originally by: Narciss Sevar
Edited by: Narciss Sevar on 13/10/2005 12:56:29
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Seriously CCP. Either do it properly OR NOT AT ALL. Bad RP is worse than no RP. Just look at the summits for proof.
THAT IS A PERSONAL ATTACK AND IS CONSIDERED TROLLING MY GOOD SIR. I TAKE PERSONAL OFFENCE TO YOUR REFERENCES OF YOUR NETHER REGIONS AND MY LIPS.
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s4mp3r0r
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Posted - 2005.10.13 20:44:00 -
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ok, gonna do something revolutionary.
I'm not gonna ***** about the lack of CCP news / roleplaying / story archs that have been filed in the round cabinet.
CCP, please contact me to testwrite something to tie up one of these dead stories.
You have my email.
Proud CEO of the I have a mirel yirrin corpse and do freaky things to it club.
Convo me ingame for details on how to join, and a free " I ♥ mirel yirrin Ö" Bumpersticker!! |
Narciss Sevar
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Posted - 2005.10.13 20:58:00 -
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Originally by: Raem Civrie
Originally by: Narciss Sevar
Edited by: Narciss Sevar on 13/10/2005 12:56:29
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Seriously CCP. Either do it properly OR NOT AT ALL. Bad RP is worse than no RP. Just look at the summits for proof.
THAT IS A PERSONAL ATTACK AND IS CONSIDERED TROLLING MY GOOD SIR. I TAKE PERSONAL OFFENCE TO YOUR REFERENCES OF YOUR NETHER REGIONS AND MY LIPS.
lol this has had me in stitchs. It's my sig mate, i was quoting you because it was basically what i would of said. 
A pretty girl can kiss a guy, a bird can kiss a butterfly. Teh rising sun can kiss the grass, but you my friend can kiss my A**E! |
Raem Civrie
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Posted - 2005.10.13 23:35:00 -
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Edited by: Raem Civrie on 13/10/2005 23:35:22
Originally by: Narciss Sevar
Originally by: Raem Civrie
Originally by: Narciss Sevar
Edited by: Narciss Sevar on 13/10/2005 12:56:29
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Seriously CCP. Either do it properly OR NOT AT ALL. Bad RP is worse than no RP. Just look at the summits for proof.
THAT IS A PERSONAL ATTACK AND IS CONSIDERED TROLLING MY GOOD SIR. I TAKE PERSONAL OFFENCE TO YOUR REFERENCES OF YOUR NETHER REGIONS AND MY LIPS.
lol this has had me in stitchs. It's my sig mate, i was quoting you because it was basically what i would of said.
Yeah, that's why I either have images to seperate sig from post, or use like lines
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P.s. Sorry
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