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Roime
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Posted - 2013.05.13 17:32:00 -
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Looks nice, these should be the T1 version stats tho :)
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Roime
Ten Thousand Years
Shinjiketo
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Posted - 2013.05.14 09:27:00 -
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Grath Telkin wrote:MeBiatch wrote:MinutemanKirk wrote:Any particular reason why you don't want to make the Dominix have 20 fitting slots like every other Navy BS? Would be kinda nice to have 8 low slots since it's a split weapon platform AND supposed to be armor tanked... drones. apparently drone utility negates a fitting slot for some reason. Because drones can imitate a target painter, web, jammer, dampener, reps, or dps, so ships that specialize in high drone payloads receive one less slot.
This is a ******** reason (I know it's the only one CCP has given) for the simple fact that said drone ships don't get any bonus to the effect of EWAR drones. This means that any ship with drone bay can use EWAR drones, but only drone ships are at disadvantage when using them- they lose dps.
Drone damage bonus should be extended to all drone effects, then the loss of a slot would be justified.
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Roime
Ten Thousand Years
Shinjiketo
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Posted - 2013.05.14 09:35:00 -
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CCP Rise,
what about the sentry fixes?
I'd also be interested in your views on where to use a NMega/Mega instead of the Hyperion or Talos, or any other battleship.
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Roime
Ten Thousand Years
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Posted - 2013.05.14 15:43:00 -
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Is there a specific reason why NPC corp members are allowed to post on the forums?
Read only access, and posting rights to the new player area would suffice.
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Roime
Ten Thousand Years
Shinjiketo
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Posted - 2013.05.14 16:21:00 -
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That NGeddon drone bay is most probably a copypasta leftover from the vanilla Geddon, which is now a proper drone boat.
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Roime
Ten Thousand Years
Shinjiketo
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Posted - 2013.05.15 08:43:00 -
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Mr Renoir,
I feel that it is polite to notify you of the fact that your personal mission running preferences are completely irrelevant in balance discussions. Internet spaceships should not be designed according to your private needs, but to fit in their position in the game.
This is to suggest that you should come up with more universally applicable arguments against the presented CNR changes.
Respectfully,
Roime
Senior Troll
New Eden Polite Forum Trolls Association
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Roime
Ten Thousand Years
Shinjiketo
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Posted - 2013.05.16 08:03:00 -
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What is the intended use for a Navy Mega?
It doesn't seem to have mnay strengths compared to other ships here.
What does "attack battleship" mean?
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Roime
Ten Thousand Years
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Posted - 2013.05.18 11:20:00 -
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Dr Topolex wrote:Marlona Sky wrote:ProphetGuru wrote:RE the Navy Domi, I don't understand the logic of leaving the split weapon bonus, to create brutal options, when removing them from the base ship made so much sense. It puts the ship back into one of those (kinda does a few things good but not great) categories. If we are making it a drone boat, lets jump in with both feet and do it. The slot difference and it becoming a combat ship are enough justification to make it a "navy" version without having different bonuses just for the sake of having something different. You are implying that it was not a drone boat to begin with. The new bonus on the T1 variation is simply trash. CCP was wise enough to not translate it further onto the navy version. You should fit the navy version with a full rack of neutron blasters overloaded with void, flight of ogres, with a splash of triple mag stabs and triple drone damage mods. An absolute dps **** machine. I'm just sad CCP took away the T1 version to allow for a reasonable priced version. Why should this navy dominix, a lvl 1 requirement battleship, out shine both its bigger brother the navy thron (in its purposed role no less) and its counterpart the rattlesnake?
Navy Domi is not a little brother of Navy Mega, they will have the same skill reqs in Odyssey.
The Gank Domi is shield tanked, the new Megas reach similar dps in armor tank fits, with better damage application, NDomi will have poor tracking and relies on drone damage for half of the total.
I'm personally very happy for the current split between Domi and Navy Domi, one is a pure drone ship and other a DPS monster.
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Roime
Ten Thousand Years
Shinjiketo
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Posted - 2013.05.19 08:15:00 -
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Yaturi wrote:Goldensaver wrote:Actually, lots of people were upset with the new T1 domi because they liked the old split weapon system. They decided to leave the navy domi as it was so that people had the option of having the ship, if at a higher price.
I'm personally quite glad they decided to leave the Navy Armageddon and Navy Dominix as throwbacks to the old ship. They might be substantially more expensive than the old ship we know and love (current 'geddons and domis are around 100m, the navy ships will probably be around 500-600m) but at least we have access to them. I like it this way. When I wrote comment about it suiting you and not the game as a whole to Roime I was being partially dishonest. I hate playing coy so I'll reveal that I have invested literally billions in perfecting my Navy Domi duo with the best sentry fitting that I can afford on the market, implants included. For example, I have 8 federation navy omni's between two mid racks to give you an idea of what i'm talking about and no guns. Does this change suit me? No. Am I mad? Yes. Does it diminish my ships? No. So honestly I can not argue your's or any other's contention with a simple "I like my way over your's" argument. If more people side with you then so be it. I will not lose sleep over the matter. However my contention is this: Yaturi wrote:Why would people choose the NThron over the NDomi when both share the same roles but one does it better? Isn't the whole purpose of this re balancing an effort to flesh out ships into identifiable roles, so all ships get used, so as not to lay dormant in obsoletion. Isn't that the crux of the matter?
Well if I understand your point of view, the new T1 Domi is arguably better for PVE and you would have liked the same improvement spill over to navy version. Fair enough, there isn't that much point in using the NDomi for that now. However, I like the navy ships to be different ships, instead of just straight up stats improvements over the vanilla version.
More ships, more variety, more fun :)
Navy Mega is a bit of a departure from this, it's the same ship but with a high slot and better stats, resulting in a situation that if ISK isn't an issue, there's no reason to fly the normal version.
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Roime
Ten Thousand Years
Shinjiketo
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Posted - 2013.05.20 00:30:00 -
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Extend drone damage bonus all drone effects, and the missing slot is justified.
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Roime
Ten Thousand Years
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Posted - 2013.05.20 00:53:00 -
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Malcanis wrote:Roime wrote:
Navy Mega is a bit of a departure from this, it's the same ship but with a high slot and better stats, resulting in a situation that if ISK isn't an issue, there's no reason to fly the normal version.
Which is traditionally what the navy ships always were: an essentially similar but straight up better, supply/cost-limited version of the T1 basic hull. The Navy Scorpion was the only exception to this rule until now.
Comet and Navy Exeq? But yeah, guess that used to be true in most cases. I like the Odyssey Navy ship arrangement better, navy versions having different bonuses. Easy way to add more ships to the game :)
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Roime
Ten Thousand Years
Shinjiketo
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Posted - 2013.05.20 09:30:00 -
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Kyra Quinn wrote:I don't understand why if I want to have a DRONE ship, as in fully focussed to make drones work the best they can with the slotting and bonuses required, I still have to grab a Rattlesnake (a faction ships from the race that uses drones the least of all) rather than actually Gallente.
The new Dominix is a step forward for people who want to use drones (not saying it's a better ship necessarily, I can see why people wouldn't like losing the turret bonus but it's better focussed on drones) and then you STILL force drone users away from the "drone race" by not changing the Navy Dominix in a similar fashion. Same bonuses as the Dominix, one extra mid slot and some improved stats here and there and it would make me sell my Rattlesnake and fly Gallente for drones, as it should be.
What? Nothing forces drone users away from the "drone race". Dominix is the best drone battleship after Odyssey, so completely opposite is true.
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Roime
Ten Thousand Years
Shinjiketo
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Posted - 2013.05.22 05:52:00 -
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59 pages of bears sperging over their failboats covering the fact that cruise missiles were blatantly overbuffed.
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Roime
Ten Thousand Years
Shinjiketo
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Posted - 2013.05.23 19:06:00 -
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Lugalzagezi666 wrote:Thats why they also buffed assault ships (you know, t2 should be universally better, right?) so they automatically outclassed every other frig in the universe. Good they forgot to tell my hookbill. 
No, they didn't forget the Hookbill and it gets more mass in Odyssey. It just took a while :)
Temporary imbalances are a result of CCP doing this in their original :18 months: style, and never balancing the whole class at a time.
Rest assured that all marauders will be better than navy BS in their specialty, which is PVE, when their time comes.
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