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TehCloud
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Posted - 2013.05.13 23:31:00 -
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I don't like all of the changes but some are pretty decent.
Can't understand why the Napoc looks almost completely the same as the normal Apoc with 1k PG and 40CPU more.
I really hoped to see that the 200-300mil it costs extra are worth it, I fear they won't.
A Damage Bonus on it would make it at least feel superior to the normal one. Or maybe give it the Hyperion treatment.
Swap 1 or 2 guns for an adequate damage bonus and extra slots.
But I think I'm just speaking for myself here :3
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TehCloud
Carnivore Company
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Posted - 2013.05.13 23:51:00 -
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Grunnax Aurelius wrote:
TD already affect missiles since retribution, Optimal reduces flight time and Tracking reduces Explosion Velocity and Increases Explosion Radius., but Tracking Computers don't buff them, bit BIAS don't you think?
That is complete and utter bullcrap. The changes were postponed.
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TehCloud
Carnivore Company
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Posted - 2013.05.15 17:17:00 -
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Marxzo Andoun wrote:Would also love to see tracking bonus changed to falloff on the Navy Mega. Other than that, looking good 
Dude, what did you smoke?
just no
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TehCloud
Carnivore Company
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Posted - 2013.05.16 13:01:00 -
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I don't understand why all those CNR lunatics complain about their ship doing more damage than before.
Probably CCP Rise should really tune down the damage on the CNR, so that they at least have a reason to complain.
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TehCloud
Carnivore Company
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Posted - 2013.05.16 16:31:00 -
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Bi-Mi Lansatha wrote:TehCloud wrote:...all those CNR lunatics... I guess a lot of CNR owners love their ship.
Then they should at least understand that with the changes to cruise missiles and the new bonus they'll deal more dps than before.
In PvP they can apply their damage better and therefor be of more use against subcaps, in pve they clear the npcs faster.
Just because 7x 1.25 is less than 8 doesn't mean it's worse. Problem is only about 0.5% of the people in here do even understand what the new bonus on the CNR does mean in terms of damage dealt.
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TehCloud
Carnivore Company
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Posted - 2013.05.21 18:41:00 -
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I still haven't heard a decent explanation why the new CNR should be bad. Additional Slots and more damage, even on moving targets.
Rage Torps actually hitting subcaps, Cruise Missiles getting buffed.
I'd really like to know why there is all that crying over the new CNR.
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TehCloud
Carnivore Company
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Posted - 2013.05.21 23:22:00 -
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Hagika wrote:
Rage torps can hit a cruiser, the damage is pure suck.
Guess what the new bonus on the CNR is for?
Hagika wrote:
Rage torps can be used against a BS, but faction torps do more damage...
I'm calling bullsh!t on this one
Hagika wrote:
The CNR took a dps nerf and it can hit slightly better but the added bonus does not nearly make up for the DPS loss.
I'm calling bullsh!t on this one aswell, reasons: The CNR got its stats turned down a bit because of the new CM Buffs and the additional medslot it got. The theoretical DPS in EFT and what you actually apply in game went up, except with torps against structures and capitals, other than those 2 aspects, dps went up.
Hagika wrote:
All the while CCP says hey.. We are making the Phoon and fleet phoon superior in every way but range.
Their justification? The navy ships are supposed to be weaker than the T2 BS and you all cant have 1000 dps over 100km..
Yet the Fleet phoon does well over that and their navy ships beat their T2 BS.
Fleet Phoons gets an extreme buff, that is correct. But just because it is better in some areas doesn't mean the CNR got nerfed.
Feels like talking to a rogue in vanilla wow, "rogues got nerfed because they buffed warlocks"
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TehCloud
Carnivore Company
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Posted - 2013.05.23 10:14:00 -
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Bereza Mia wrote:Jenn aSide wrote:
I wouldn't trade The New CNR's bonuses for a damage bonus
But the other 99.9% of the CNR users - will trade.
Because they can't do the math to see that the new bonus is better :3
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TehCloud
Carnivore Company
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Posted - 2013.05.23 14:25:00 -
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Another one that has no idea that theoretical dps and the actual applied damage in game aren't the same. Especially with missiles.
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TehCloud
Carnivore Company
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Posted - 2013.05.27 12:16:00 -
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Luscius Uta wrote:Why is calibration going to be increased for Navy BSes, but not for Pirate ones?
Hmm, could be because Pirate BS are going to be rebalanced another time. But wait, that's way too obscure isn't it?
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TehCloud
Carnivore Company
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Posted - 2013.05.28 13:13:00 -
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The only thing the Apoc and NApoc are lacking is a better capacitor.
I think that even if they don't change the normal Apocs cap they should atleast tweak the NApoc.
I'm not even talking about a big change in terms of capacitor, just a little tweak to make it superior to its non faction counterpart.
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TehCloud
Carnivore Company
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Posted - 2013.06.05 20:21:00 -
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Guyshen Takeru wrote:Look I don't understand why CCP thinks they're doing the eve online community any favors by nerfing the F**k Out of our Navy Issue Battleships, Honestly If You Guys keep screwing up Eve For the rest of us I may as well quit.
You obviously have no idea what you're talking about.
The only ships that didn't get totally amazing are the NApoc, the NMega and the TFI.
THe others are friggin awesome now.
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TehCloud
Carnivore Company
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Posted - 2013.06.06 12:13:00 -
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BiggestT wrote:Malcanis wrote:Samas Sarum wrote:
Also, can you elaborate on why you think the new CNR is a lot better in PvE?
It kills rats faster and tanks better, I mean I don't know what you look for in a PvE ship? Quoting for truth. Tried it today and it murders everything, you don't even need to slap drones on the frigs, the cruise do it just fine. 4-5 volleys for an npc BS using standard t1 ammo is just cruel.
I love how several people were always foretelling that exactly this would be what happens and yet the whining didn't stop and people claimed the CNR was broken and useless :D
Now that Odyssey is live not a single post on how the CNR is bad.
I feel like a black woman in hindsight
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TehCloud
Carnivore Company
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Posted - 2013.06.07 01:37:00 -
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Maximus Aerelius wrote:When are these going be unstickied to give Page 1 back to Player Posts? Odyssey is in and the Feedback and Issues threads are active. Why not replace these with a "Link Sticky" to those two threads? We all know how lazy we are to go clicking...wait for it...past Page 3 of this Forum section. 
Wow you post that crap on every sticky here but scrolling or swapping pages is too much work.
But tbh, I'd rather read all those stickies instead of the 15 NERF AFK CLOAK Threads that usually appear on Page 1
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TehCloud
Carnivore Company
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Posted - 2013.06.08 14:18:00 -
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Klingon Admiral wrote:Sadly, the NApoc can no longer be considered a serious missionboat ... running out of capcharges in the middle of a Vengeance (which really is far from being a "hard" lvl4) with maxed Legion-armorlinks is kind of emberassing.
In fact, the cap situation on a pulse-NApoc is now WORSE than the cap-situation on my Tachyon-NApoc which I flew months ago. Should have gotten a second Paladin ... these babies don't have cap issues at all.
If you have Cap Problems in a L4 Mission with Armorlinks, then the new NApoc bonus is the least of your problems.
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TehCloud
Carnivore Company
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Posted - 2013.06.08 18:23:00 -
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Quote:http://dl.eve-files.com/media/1306/New_NAPOC_Smuggler_Interception.mkv
This Video from "The Djego" shows how a NApoc with a MWD that is not capstable runs a L4 Mission quite easily and fast.
Don't act like the ship isn't capable of that.
Also what the **** do you want to say with that DPS/GJ? The fact that the only skill you included in your calculation was a 50% reduction to capuse is incredibly nuts already, but then comparing those numbers and acting like it would say anything about the ship is just insane.
What's next? Comparing the DPS/GJ with other races?
"Apoc is useless because it can only produce x damage from 1 GJ while a Raven can produce infinite damage from 1GJ with weapons, nerf Raven."
I strongly recommend you to try and play around with fittings for ships a bit, you're almost as annoying to read as the guy that complains about the typhoon, that it deals more damage than the old one while having a better tank but that he has to fit it differently now.
Some people..
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TehCloud
Carnivore Company
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Posted - 2013.06.08 20:31:00 -
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916DPS on an Apoc hull, which has never ever had a Damage Bonus is bad? 916DPS for running Missions is bad? Well, I don't know what you think a Non T2, Non Pirate, active tanked PvE Ship should have in terms of DPS.
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TehCloud
Carnivore Company
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Posted - 2013.06.08 21:29:00 -
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Akimo Heth wrote:TehCloud wrote:916DPS on an Apoc hull, which has never ever had a Damage Bonus is bad? 916DPS for running Missions is bad? Well, I don't know what you think a Non T2, Non Pirate, active tanked PvE Ship should have in terms of DPS.
Lets ignore that its conflag and not usable most of the time just to make our point! See I can do it too, the Abaddon would have 1145 dps in the same setup and the N-Geddon 1069 dps (and much better cap).
Guess what, Optimal Range + Tracking Bonus allows you to use Conflag. 20k Optimal + 10k Falloff without any mods, Tracking Computer in the mids and you can hit up to 40k with Conflag.
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TehCloud
Carnivore Company
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Posted - 2013.06.08 22:45:00 -
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Akimo Heth wrote:Klingon Admiral wrote:TehCloud wrote:Akimo Heth wrote:TehCloud wrote:916DPS on an Apoc hull, which has never ever had a Damage Bonus is bad? 916DPS for running Missions is bad? Well, I don't know what you think a Non T2, Non Pirate, active tanked PvE Ship should have in terms of DPS.
Lets ignore that its conflag and not usable most of the time just to make our point! See I can do it too, the Abaddon would have 1145 dps in the same setup and the N-Geddon 1069 dps (and much better cap). Guess what, Optimal Range + Tracking Bonus allows you to use Conflag. 20k Optimal + 10k Falloff without any mods, Tracking Computer in the mids and you can hit up to 40k with Conflag. 30km optimal (with 2 T2 TC w/ optimal script) aren't 40km. At 40km, a NApoc will hit an orbitting BS with ~652 DPS. Which is pretty mediocre, and worse than Scorch. Each TC2 w/ optimal gives 30% optimal correct? Without TC's, napoc w/ lvl 5 skills conflag range is 21+10km, with 2 TC2 w/optimal I'm getting 27+16km. Either way, nowhere near 40km.
27+16=43
43 is nowhere near 40.
I don't want to live on this planet anymore.
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TehCloud
Carnivore Company
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Posted - 2013.06.08 23:49:00 -
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Akimo Heth wrote:
Are you really adding falloff to optimal in defense of 916 dps?
Are you really that dense?
I wrote: Quote:
Guess what, Optimal Range + Tracking Bonus allows you to use Conflag. 20k Optimal + 10k Falloff without any mods, Tracking Computer in the mids and you can hit up to 40k with Conflag.
Yes it's in Falloff, but since the Apoc is fast and agile, you shouldn't have problems to keep enemies within your firing range, And if you do, swap crystals.
But I'm quite sure you'll claim another stupid thing next, like "the ship isn't fast because it can't goo 500m/s without a propmod" :3
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TehCloud
Carnivore Company
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Posted - 2013.06.09 11:14:00 -
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Again you put words in my mouth that I never said. I never said you mwd in range of every target, I never said you have a constant 916 dps and I never claimed you had a 40k optimal with conflag.
Fact is, the NApoc is very well capable of running Missions, and can still use scorch at ranges where the Abaddon and Navy Scorp already have to rely on Long Range Ammo.
But it's obvious that arguing with you is useless, you always twist the words others wrote and claim something without even being capable of understanding what the new Apoc can do :)
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