actually explosion radius have increased


Note: i'm sure Rise misused + and - here... Or this is some kind of math i'm not aware of.....

Increase explosion radius is a good thing for missiles because it means more damage applied to smaller, faster things.

As malcanis can attest, you can't please everyone, but Im really happy about what's happening to the CNR, it will fit in much better with how I PVE.

Its "explosion radius bonus" and anyone who has any idea about the game would take raw dps bonus instead of "damage projection" bonus any time. Especially on pve ship that provides enough mids to EASILY take care of any damage projection issues.

Indeed, anyone knowingly going after cruisers and smaller shouldn't even think about using missile battleship for that...

You can already comfortably kill cruisers just using rigors and 2 tps. Plus 1 mid means another painter and increased calibration means upgrading one rigor to t2. So you dont need any new "precision" bonus to efficiently kill cruisers and battleships. Wasted bonus and in case of cruise cnr its actually 2 wasted bonuses.

... Rof bonus rather than velocity bonus would just mean the CNR would get nerfed 3 months later, it would be over powered as hell.

I believe you are correct, but it would have been a wonderful ride while it lasted.

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OK so from your provided numbers - I'll take your word for it that they're accurate as I'm at work and cannot check -

(1) Where ever you have put a decimal, this should really be rounded up to the next integer. You can't fire "2.61 volleys" to kill an Arch Gistum Centurion; you actually have to fire 3.00 volleys @ 8.54 seconds (25.62s) instead of 5 volleys @ 6.74 seconds (33.7). The new CNR will take 8.08 seconds less, which is more than a whole current cycle quicker.

(2) In virtually every example you list, the Odyssey CNR is at least one volley quicker, sometimes several quicker. ODyssey volleys take longer, but you need a 4 Odyssey (34.16s) vs 5 current volley (33.7s) situation for the lines to cross. The Pith Eliminator is an example here - but a simple +3% damage implant brings the Odyssey CNR to 3 volleys while leaving the current one at 5.

(3) Even with the fraction volleys counted, the Odyssey CNR is getting quicker kill times with almost every ship (except the Guristas BCs which just die).

The tl:dr is that for the great majority of missions, the Odyssey Cruise CNR will finish the mission significantly, perceptibly faster, and use less ammo to do it as a bonus. The fact that Odyssey CNRs will also move over 1/3 faster is icing on the cake.

Any chance you can use this for precisions aswell, and a fit containing two RF TP's and a combo of Rigor II, Rigor II, Rigor I ? I would be highly interested in them.

actually explosion radius have increased


Note: i'm sure Rise misused + and - here... Or this is some kind of math i'm not aware of.....

The Odyssey CNR will be impressive, we can agree on that. However, it would have been more impressive if it had kept the RoF bonus.

The first part of the missile damage formula (MF1) is sig / Er. If the target's sig is 100 and your Er is 200, then 100/200 = 0.5, so you'll do at most 50% damage. The Odyssey CNR's 25% Er bonus reduces the explosion radius, so 100 / (200 * .75) = 100 / 150 = .667, so you'll do up to 67% of your max damage.

I mean come on people you can't honestly have expected anything else?

I mean come on people you can't honestly have expected anything else?

no, even I haven't expected that the CNR will be allowed to do 1140 DPS with cruises, but the proposed state is not worth it either. I've tried to make things clear to you, yet you refused to read it.

SNI and CNR have the same damage, yet the resist-bonus is way stronger as the CNR's range bonus (and the SNI can fit atleast one Tp more than the raven, which more or less equals the ER-Bonus...

Where's the justifcation for the raven beeing flat out worse than the SNI (don't even get started with the Golem)? It has less tank, same gank, almost same applied dmg, significantly less buffer, more fitting issues, less utility.. and for all that it get's more range, which is likely not going to be used ? Come on Dude, seriously?

I know it would. And it would have been nerfbatted pretty damb quick too!

SNI and CNR have the same damage,

There is no scenario where the SNI does more damage than the CNR. There are many scenarios where the CNR does more damage than the SNI.

In short: you are provably wrong here.

SNI kept its 5% rof bonus, CNR didn't. That's equivalent of more than 8 launchers vs exactly 8 launchers.

The Raven, Golem, Typhoon, SNI, and CNR now have the same effective 8 launchers. The Fleet Typhoon has an effective 8.25 launchers (and 5 sentries...)

CNR's DPS advantages over the SNI are:
a) that it can field 3 sentries versus the SNI's two (assuming you keep a flight of lights on standby.)
b) CNR's velocity bonus means less chance of miscounting volleys and losing DPS,
c) CNR having 8 launchers means that NPC defenders cause less DPS loss (assuming all launchers in one group)
d) CNR's Er bonus can translate into an additional saved volley
e) CNR is somewhat less reliant on TP juggling and TP falloff.


Anyway, the CNR isn't the Queen of Cruise Missiles anymore. If you can shield tank the Fleet Typhoon and use the lows for BCUs and drone damage mods then Fleet Typhoon is most likely better than the CNR. (But CPU is really tight on the typhoon.)

I think people (should) use wardens on missile boats. Since you don't fit omnis you want the longest range sentry if you were going to use them at all.

And then it will have less dps than a flight of regular drones. What's the point?