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Proteus Maximus The Red Exhilez Chaos Theory Alliance 15	Posted - 2011.10.20 00:54:00 - [61] - Quote This is about nothing less than a temper tantrum. A tantrum motivated out of an over inflated ego being challenged and forced under pressure. Make no mistake... the apology was puked out on a keyboard like a glass of sour milk. What we have now is retribution. We have forced a CEO to admit his vision for our game was not going to fly & pissed on his parade. So we take his master plan and fk it up... Now he is taking something or in this case someone from us. Mr CEO your job should be the one being cut orvreplaced.. you failed. *Eve... It's just a better class of Idiot.*
The Apostle The Black Priests 547	Posted - 2011.10.20 00:56:00 - [62] - Quote Proteus Maximus wrote: This is about nothing less than a temper tantrum. A tantrum motivated out of an over inflated ego being challenged and forced under pressure. Make no mistake... the apology was puked out on a keyboard like a glass of sour milk. What we have now is retribution. We have forced a CEO to admit his vision for our game was not going to fly & pissed on his parade. So we take his master plan and fk it up... Now he is taking something or in this case someone from us. Mr CEO your job should be the one being cut orvreplaced.. you failed. And all the more potent commentary for it's elaborate use of bold. Take an aspirin. If pain persists consult your local priest. WTB: An Austrian kangaroo!
Tuggboat Republic Military School Minmatar Republic 5	Posted - 2011.10.20 00:56:00 - [63] - Quote They were only trying to help
Cunane Jeran 12	Posted - 2011.10.20 01:11:00 - [64] - Quote I really hope those community team folks weren't fired. If so, behind this thread 110%
Haulin Aussie Imperial Academy Amarr Empire 1	Posted - 2011.10.20 01:27:00 - [65] - Quote +1, Hilmar over these guys ANY DAY
Buruk Utama Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 33	Posted - 2011.10.20 01:28:00 - [66] - Quote Cunane Jeran wrote: I really hope those community team folks weren't fired. If so, behind this thread 110% they're all gone pretty much
Brooks Puuntai Nomadic Asylum KUGUTSUMEN. 191	Posted - 2011.10.20 01:42:00 - [67] - Quote So this pretty much leaves us with who on the forums? Spitfire and? As much as I messed with Fallout, I'm sad to see her and the others get laid off. Though these layoffs and the general status of CCP isn't surprising and was predicted for awhile now. The only people to blame is either the investors or the upper management. They got over confident and over ambitious. The simultaneous development of Dust and WoD was a mistake and some of us have been saying that for over a year now.
RougeOperator Autocannons Anonymous 69	Posted - 2011.10.20 01:43:00 - [68] - Quote Brooks Puuntai wrote: So this pretty much leaves us with who on the forums? Spitfire and? As much as I messed with Fallout, I'm sad to see her and the others get laid off. Though these layoffs and the general status of CCP isn't surprising and was predicted for awhile now. The only people to blame is either the investors or the upper management. They got over confident and over ambitious. The simultaneous development of Dust and WoD was a mistake and some of us have been saying that for over a year now. Yeah A lot of people called this outcome. But we did not expect the community team to be on the chopping block while they talked about more communication with us. This is the opposite of that.
SHAMESHAME Republic Military School Minmatar Republic 1	Posted - 2011.10.20 02:03:00 - [69] - Quote So you bitched and bitched that not enough resources were being devoted to the core game. You gleefully pointed out that subscription was dropping and that their financials appeared to be in trouble. And now, they're cutting non-essential, non-code writing personnel. I hate to see them go, but it was your bullshit that pushed it over the edge. Surprise, surprise, motherf***er. And here you go with some more business advice. STFU already.
RougeOperator Autocannons Anonymous 69	Posted - 2011.10.20 02:08:00 - [70] - Quote SHAMESHAME wrote: So you bitched and bitched that not enough resources were being devoted to the core game. You gleefully pointed out that subscription was dropping and that their financials appeared to be in trouble. And now, they're cutting non-essential, non-code writing personnel. I hate to see them go, but it was your bullshit that pushed it over the edge. Surprise, surprise, motherf***er. And here you go with some more business advice. STFU already. Blame the community for YEARS of misaligned resources by CCP. For a revolution that was only just happened 6 months ago. Cool story.
Azahni Vah'nos Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire 44	Posted - 2011.10.20 02:15:00 - [71] - Quote Kengutsi Akira wrote: RougeOperator wrote: Niraia wrote: This is sad, and I agree in principle that management should have to suffer for such failures rather than workers, but I'm not sure that firing Hilmar is the best alternative. He's always seemed like a decent person to me, and his humble letter to the community earned more of my respect. What do most of us know about how he operates, short of what can be gathered from fanfest footage, devblogs, and second hand opinion? Is that enough to base such a strong opinion on? Do you think he might have any trusted managers offering him bad advice? Web team should've been fired, anyway :p You must not have watched his interviews and read his leaked stuff. Guy is a joke. And he is killing CCP Holy crap my old ass bookmark actually helps http://www.evenews24.com/2011/06/25/ccp-hilmar-global-email-shows-the-reasoning-behind-ccp-zulu-devblog/ Hilmar wrote: Naturally, we have caught the attention of the world. Only a few weeks ago we revealed more information about DUST 514 and now we have done it again by committing to our core purpose as a company by redefining assumptions. After 40 hours we have already sold 52 monocles, generating more revenue than any of the other items in the store. This we have done after months of research by a group of highly competent professionals, soliciting input and perspective from thought leaders and experts in and around our industry. We have communicated our intention here internally in very wide circles through the Virtual Economy Summit presentation at the GSM, our Fearless newsletter, sprint reviews, email lists and multiple other channels. This should not come as a surprise to anyone. Currently we are seeing _very predictable feedback_ on what we are doing. Having the perspective of having done this for a decade, I can tell you that this is one of the moments where we look at what our players do and less of what they say. Innovation takes time to set in and the predictable reaction is always to resist change. How is listening to those 'thought leaders and experts' working out for you? When you already had PLEX, you should have been satisfied with that, but no ... greed got the better of you. So now the community team get the axe and the people that thought it was a good idea to sell $70 monocles remain. You stepped aboard the fail-train with the ill conceived implementation of the NEX store and with it the removal of what should have been additional sandbox gameplay. I have no doubt players would have used PLEX to purchase clothing, ship painting, etc that other players had crafted, but instead you decided to go with that eyesore that is Aurum. Nex (Cash Shop)-á/ Aurum - removing sand from the sandbox since Incarna
Bacchanalian Stimulus Rote Kapelle 0	Posted - 2011.10.20 02:25:00 - [72] - Quote I trust that the individual(s) responsible for things like the interface resetting itself upon dock/undock in the current patch are amongst the 20%? Because frankly some of the people that were let go have done more for keeping the EVE customers from completely abandoning the game when CCP were still at their worst points of idiocy. I also trust that t20 has been let go? The one that spawned unbelievable amounts of assets to aid his alliance for years? I'm sure CCP in their infinite wisdom have finally decided that someone of such moral high standing doesn't deserve to be on their shrinking payroll and have let him go. Honestly, CCP, I understand that from a business standpoint something had to give. But instead of taking steps towards fixing the problem while addressing that situation, you cut the very members that did not contribute to bringing EVE to where it is right now.
Nex apparatu5 Not a Shell Corp 12	Posted - 2011.10.20 02:30:00 - [73] - Quote Hilmar. What. The. ****.
Anndy The Evocati 0	Posted - 2011.10.20 02:36:00 - [74] - Quote Bacchanalian wrote: I trust that the individual(s) responsible for things like the interface resetting itself upon dock/undock in the current patch are amongst the 20%? Because frankly some of the people that were let go have done more for keeping the EVE customers from completely abandoning the game when CCP were still at their worst points of idiocy. I also trust that t20 has been let go? The one that spawned unbelievable amounts of assets to aid his alliance for years? I'm sure CCP in their infinite wisdom have finally decided that someone of such moral high standing doesn't deserve to be on their shrinking payroll and have let him go. Honestly, CCP, I understand that from a business standpoint something had to give. But instead of taking steps towards fixing the problem while addressing that situation, you cut the very members that did not contribute to bringing EVE to where it is right now. i could be wrong but i think t20 has been gone for a few years now
EVE Stig Imperial Academy Amarr Empire 24	Posted - 2011.10.20 02:50:00 - [75] - Quote Azahni Vah'nos wrote: Kengutsi Akira wrote: RougeOperator wrote: Niraia wrote: This is sad, and I agree in principle that management should have to suffer for such failures rather than workers, but I'm not sure that firing Hilmar is the best alternative. He's always seemed like a decent person to me, and his humble letter to the community earned more of my respect. What do most of us know about how he operates, short of what can be gathered from fanfest footage, devblogs, and second hand opinion? Is that enough to base such a strong opinion on? Do you think he might have any trusted managers offering him bad advice? Web team should've been fired, anyway :p You must not have watched his interviews and read his leaked stuff. Guy is a joke. And he is killing CCP Holy crap my old ass bookmark actually helps http://www.evenews24.com/2011/06/25/ccp-hilmar-global-email-shows-the-reasoning-behind-ccp-zulu-devblog/ Hilmar wrote: Naturally, we have caught the attention of the world. Only a few weeks ago we revealed more information about DUST 514 and now we have done it again by committing to our core purpose as a company by redefining assumptions. After 40 hours we have already sold 52 monocles, generating more revenue than any of the other items in the store. This we have done after months of research by a group of highly competent professionals, soliciting input and perspective from thought leaders and experts in and around our industry. We have communicated our intention here internally in very wide circles through the Virtual Economy Summit presentation at the GSM, our Fearless newsletter, sprint reviews, email lists and multiple other channels. This should not come as a surprise to anyone. Currently we are seeing _very predictable feedback_ on what we are doing. Having the perspective of having done this for a decade, I can tell you that this is one of the moments where we look at what our players do and less of what they say. Innovation takes time to set in and the predictable reaction is always to resist change. How is listening to those 'thought leaders and experts' working out for you? When you already had PLEX, you should have been satisfied with that, but no ... greed got the better of you. But Greed is Good "Some say that he is actually dead, but the Grim Reaper is too afraid to tell him." "Some say he is the 3rd member of Daft Punk and he did the vocals of "Technologic" song. All we know is,he's called EVE Stig"!
EVE Stig Imperial Academy Amarr Empire 24	Posted - 2011.10.20 02:52:00 - [76] - Quote Bacchanalian wrote: I also trust that t20 has been let go? The one that spawned unbelievable amounts of assets to aid his alliance for years? there were more than 4 T2 BPOs? "Some say that he is actually dead, but the Grim Reaper is too afraid to tell him." "Some say he is the 3rd member of Daft Punk and he did the vocals of "Technologic" song. All we know is,he's called EVE Stig"!
The Apostle The Black Priests 562	Posted - 2011.10.20 03:17:00 - [77] - Quote SHAMESHAME wrote: So you bitched and bitched that not enough resources were being devoted to the core game. You gleefully pointed out that subscription was dropping and that their financials appeared to be in trouble. And now, they're cutting non-essential, non-code writing personnel. I hate to see them go, but it was your bullshit that pushed it over the edge. Surprise, surprise, motherf***er. And here you go with some more business advice. STFU already. Shoot man. Took me 12 pages to say the same damn thing. Maybe I'm just more subtle about things. But hey, even Chribba said it. "People will always find something to whine about..." Take an aspirin. If pain persists consult your local priest. WTB: An Austrian kangaroo!
Brujo Loco Brujeria Teologica 2	Posted - 2011.10.20 03:44:00 - [78] - Quote Totally agree. even if deep down I know he will never ever be so bold as to take that step. He will try to see if he can "fix" the error and yet, try to keep introducing us to whatever half-baked deluded dream of NEX proportions he THINKS is the right choice, despite people ALL over the forums, ingame and out of game say about the poppycock ideas of his. Welcome to the world of CEO's . It's never their fault, it was just a simple misunderstanding, blame the global recession, blame Europe and the weakened EURO, blame Greece! but not them. meh So much rage and hatred at the absurdity of some actions! It's almost unbelievable that despite people, a throng of them ,saying NO WE DONT WANT THIS, they still thought they could get away with it. Why? What kind of deluded self-imposed state of DENIAL has swelled into their heads? Dostoyevsky once said: "Deprived of meaningful work, men and women lose their reason for existence; they go stark, raving mad." I believe this rings true of the "leaders". They have lost sight of what they made, and failed to see it has grown BEYOND them. I was reading earlier someone mentioning that EVE was their baby, their creation, and I weep at this simplistic approach. EVE might have been your child, your beloved kid project, yet it has grown, and you , YES YOU, their fathers have FAILED to nourish this spawn. You have let it go wild and then decided one day to simply start clothing it and directing it at whim, forgetting that this child of yours is yours no more but in the cold and dusty paper of imaginary and physical transient modern "ownership". Like an idea given form is no longer yours but in the basest and most dense forms., this child of yours is different now and it begets something more than what you plan to give to him. If you want to be bold, and be true parent, you must realize that the child is a child no more. Treat it with RESPECT, which you obviously can't seem to give. You speak of the game with passion, yet actions speak way louder than words, so for every word you spout at any gathering, your actions show your true selves. All of this reminds me of the day I was in another game and one revolutionary , died hundreds of times in front of a popular spot with an alt called "THE VISION" . He littered the corpse of this pixelated humanoid all over us and around us for hours. He made a statement, and people like me remember it, what would you guys be remembered for? Yes you are taking steps, yes, I can somehow, deep within my twisted and tortured mind , appreciate on a certain level the token "gesture" of your apologies. But seeing you driven to acknowledge us, the dissenting voices is just such a bittersweet ichor of ambrosiac proportions, yet we are not vindicated yet. You must show TRUE repentance and fix the waylaid error of your ways, we demand something more and we are still expecting it. Laying off people was such an atrocious move, that only reflects your lack of foresight at what practically EVERYBODY with enough grasping of the game could foresee, yet you all failed to sway your course, like the tyrants of yore, still asking "Why?" even as they were felled. Open your eyes. My only tip to CCP is that you begin buying cream, moisturizing cream. As a psychologist that worked with a lot of people and children with social disabilities, moisturizing cream is one of the tools used to let children know and understand the principles of HUMAN TOUCH. So yes CCP, buy cream, tons of it, you need it, really really need it.
Deeavlo Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 1	Posted - 2011.10.20 03:55:00 - [79] - Quote Hilmar is part of the 1 percent!
P42ALPHA nul-li-fy Atlas. 15	Posted - 2011.10.20 03:59:00 - [80] - Quote That unsub button never felt so good. Greed is Good.
The Apostle The Black Priests 582	Posted - 2011.10.20 04:07:00 - [81] - Quote P42ALPHA wrote: That unsub button never felt so good. Greed is Good. Yes. That will help. Take all the whining sooks with you. That way, next time we got a beef with CCP, maybe we can use our fn brains instead of stamping our size 6 feet on the kitchen floor. Take an aspirin. If pain persists consult your local priest. WTB: An Austrian kangaroo!
Kengutsi Akira 62	Posted - 2011.10.20 04:09:00 - [82] - Quote The Apostle wrote: SHAMESHAME wrote: So you bitched and bitched that not enough resources were being devoted to the core game. You gleefully pointed out that subscription was dropping and that their financials appeared to be in trouble. And now, they're cutting non-essential, non-code writing personnel. I hate to see them go, but it was your bullshit that pushed it over the edge. Surprise, surprise, motherf***er. And here you go with some more business advice. STFU already. Shoot man. Took me 12 pages to say the same damn thing. Maybe I'm just more subtle about things. But hey, even Chribba said it. "People will always find something to whine about..." I know you dont like it but you were whining too bud lol What Mittani wants, Mittani gets, Mittani help us all
P42ALPHA nul-li-fy Atlas. 15	Posted - 2011.10.20 04:10:00 - [83] - Quote The Apostle wrote: P42ALPHA wrote: That unsub button never felt so good. Greed is Good. Yes. That will help. Take all the whining sooks with you. That way, next time we got a beef with CCP, maybe we can use our fn brains instead of stamping our size 6 feet on the kitchen floor. U mad bro? Seems you are on the rag 24/7. Climb off that cross, you are no champion of the willing.
Helena Russell Makanen Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State 8	Posted - 2011.10.20 04:14:00 - [84] - Quote Mr Epeen wrote: Lot's of upset forum dickwads posting today. Then again, I'd be upset too if I saw the people who let me run rampant for the last years with no consequences get the boot. Good chance CCP will bring in some hard asses that will shut down the whiny bullshit spewing from this forum pretty quick. So stop pretending that you care about anything but the fact that you are about to lose the ability to run amok and not get slapped for it. Yes the so called 'player base' brought this on themselves. Don't blame Hilmar. Blame yourselves. Mr Epeen You are becoming more and more one-dimensional and uselessly annoying fyi.
Swooshie USA Canada Private Corp 34	Posted - 2011.10.20 04:26:00 - [85] - Quote My poor limited point of view can only see two things : 1 ) They are in a hell of a financial squeeze (or their economic advisers are on crack) 2 ) They are terribad at anything that touches image and PR... Both are bad... :( "It is when I think about meaning that I lose what I meant to say." -á-á-á -Swooshie
Swooshie USA Canada Private Corp 34	Posted - 2011.10.20 04:29:00 - [86] - Quote Mr Epeen wrote: Lot's of upset forum dickwads posting today. Then again, I'd be upset too if I saw the people who let me run rampant for the last years with no consequences get the boot. Good chance CCP will bring in some hard asses that will shut down the whiny bullshit spewing from this forum pretty quick. So stop pretending that you care about anything but the fact that you are about to lose the ability to run amok and not get slapped for it. Yes the so called 'player base' brought this on themselves. Don't blame Hilmar. Blame yourselves. Mr Epeen Oh I almost forget. Yes, hiring bullies now to come and suppress their customers is clearly the thing a corporation that has to fire folks and restructure needs to do in order to reaffirm their assets that are paid for through their customers... I envy such brilliance and intelligence "It is when I think about meaning that I lose what I meant to say." -á-á-á -Swooshie
Celery Man Talocan Mining And Industrial Talocan United 3	Posted - 2011.10.20 04:31:00 - [87] - Quote seriously... what the ** guys.... what the do you think your doing............... really - what the *** **.
Headerman Quovis Shadow of xXDEATHXx 246	Posted - 2011.10.20 05:06:00 - [88] - Quote I like posts! [img]http://i53.tinypic.com/bebnf8.jpg[/img]

CCP Spitfire C C P C C P Alliance 260	Posted - 2011.10.20 05:31:00 - [89] - Quote Hello everyone, I would kindly ask you to keep the discussion of the recent announcement in this thread. Please also refrain from posting personal details of other people on the forums. I'd also like to add that we will try to address your concerns about the community team later today, but that it will continue to function. Locking this thread now. CCP Spitfire \| Russian Community Coordinator @ccp_spitfire


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