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Black Kat
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Posted - 2005.11.18 17:52:00 -
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Nicely done! I don't know why people grief ore thiefs all the time. there are plenty of measures against them, if you are too lazy to use them, say bye bye to your ore. Although I am on the good side I like that there are ore thieves out there. Makes the game more real life. One thing I enjoy the game.
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Sonos SAGD
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Posted - 2005.11.22 09:40:00 -
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I have a question for you Tenaj. As a victim of you at one time when i was a new charater of less than 2 months mining in a frigate in .7 space, do you ever consider the charaters age when deciding to liberate ore. because there is a big difference between a new person mining with a frigate and a battleship in 1.0 stipping a belt.
also how do you propose that one aquire the 7 mil tritantium and other ores needed to make that first battleship or even battlecruiser, running missions would take a long time since most new people cant do a lv 3 in a cruiser. Also if no one jet minned the minneral supply would be dry so you couldn't just buy them cheaply
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Tenaj
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Posted - 2005.11.22 20:28:00 -
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 Originally by: Sonos SAGD
I have a question for you Tenaj. As a victim of you at one time when i was a new charater of less than 2 months mining in a frigate in .7 space, do you ever consider the charaters age when deciding to liberate ore. because there is a big difference between a new person mining with a frigate and a battleship in 1.0 stipping a belt.
also how do you propose that one aquire the 7 mil tritantium and other ores needed to make that first battleship or even battlecruiser, running missions would take a long time since most new people cant do a lv 3 in a cruiser. Also if no one jet minned the minneral supply would be dry so you couldn't just buy them cheaply
Hi Sonos.
Ore theft is my sole income. I don't trade, mine, run missions or NPC hunt. So, I have to take my ISK where I can find it. It's better for me to find a battleship miner than a noob, and i'm not deliberately going out to wreck a noobs game, but if pickings are slim....
I agree the economy would suffer if there were no such thing as jet can mining but, try as i might, I just don't get the whole ''want to have their cake and eat it'' attitude of most miners. It's an irritating smugness which I love to disturb....
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Rift Scorn
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Posted - 2005.11.23 01:06:00 -
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Edited by: Rift Scorn on 23/11/2005 01:07:08
I went through a spat of moonlighting as an ore relocator back in 2003 when i was LVLing up. I made almost no ISK out of it at all, but i can say without a doubt that it was one of the funniest experiences i ever had in the game. I reply because the etiquette thing was a definate thing in my book, you just swiped their ore, and watching local explode had me crying in laughter a few times, so be just a little gracious if you have to respond at all 
Best one i remember was this guy who, by looking at the age of the character, had just got in his spanking new Osprey class cruiser and was busy in a 0.5 mining something, when i struck like a hawk and liberated his ore. He threw what can only be called a fit in local, and fire's on me. Concord owned him quick sharp, so i liberated his un destroyed equipment as well, whilst wiping the tears of laughter from my eyes, as his pod just loitered by his can. ahhhhhhh back in the day huh?
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Sonos SAGD
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Posted - 2005.11.23 02:20:00 -
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Originally by: Tenaj
Hi Sonos.
Ore theft is my sole income. I don't trade, mine, run missions or NPC hunt. So, I have to take my ISK where I can find it. It's better for me to find a battleship miner than a noob, and i'm not deliberately going out to wreck a noobs game, but if pickings are slim....
I agree the economy would suffer if there were no such thing as jet can mining but, try as i might, I just don't get the whole ''want to have their cake and eat it'' attitude of most miners. It's an irritating smugness which I love to disturb....[:twisted:
that is a good answer. and i agree with you that Battleship shouldn't be mining in 1.0-.7 you can make so much more money in .5 where a bs can eaisly defend it self
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Etoecles
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Posted - 2005.11.28 04:48:00 -
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Hey there Tenaj,
I just want to thank you for your little guide. It 'inspired' me to become an ore re-locator, and has greatly helped in my obtaining of ore. Especially lesson 3 and lesson 4. Anybody beginning this profession must read this.
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Cargo Hustler
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Posted - 2005.11.28 11:34:00 -
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Originally by: Clementina
There's actually a code of the ore theif, Now don't that beat all.
One question though. approximately what percentage of Professional Ore theives actually follow any rules of ettiqutte. There are quite a number of professional ore theives (ie. not two week old badger pilots) In some prominant corps even like Spacerats. But I would imagine that any restraint on manners would be something rare from members of the ore stealing profession.
When you are engaged in looting other people's ore, you seldom need to initiate smack - much more so than piracy or podding, when folks get their ore robbed it often drives them into an insane illogical ranting fury of outrage.
By being polite and witty in reponse, fuels that anger, often to the point where your victims get soooo angry that they send their Hvy drones to attack you, then you get their ore AND their barge mods.
By being polite & witty in retort, you dissarm your victims of their only real weapon, "harsh language" and their only moral defence, that you are a lil kid griefing.
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Meryl Stryfe
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Posted - 2005.11.28 19:48:00 -
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Just to throw a little story in from the n00b perspective. :) Having just got in to my Iteron, I figure I need to make some isk back, so head out to the closest belt and point my single Miner I at a rock and wait, and wait, and wait, read the forums, and wait some more. Finally, I'm full, and go refine. And think "That was too slow." Not having a sec can I hop in my dual Miner I equiped Imicus and back out. Nearby is a barge working with a hauler. Well the hauler emptied my jet can while I was still mining. (windowed mode, forum reading).
Was I mad? Yup. Did I whine? Nope.
I realised that even if not semi-afk'ing, there was nothing I could've done, anyways. BUT that the same applied to them.
So I got my Itty and took the ore back! Twice.
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Larsonist
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Posted - 2005.12.07 09:58:00 -
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I think that this new patch(if it occurs like we suspect) will of course allow the ore thief to be attacked, there is no doubt about this. What i think will happen, if a miner and thief meet, will become a nullified affect if both parties play it smart. I don't think a miner will be able to take out an ore thief...alone. Slots properly used to defend against this patch by the thief, and slots properly used to exploit it will basically balance out. But, in conjunction with multiple miners, outfitted for heavy mining, using their combined efforts could cause some grief. I believe in the end this new thought is merely an attempt by CCP to atleast make the miner "do something" instead of "nothing". In the end, it adds to the realism by allowing this defense however remote it might actually end up being.
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Fester Addams
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Posted - 2005.12.13 20:51:00 -
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An interesting series about a dying occupation.
Dont get me wrong, ore thives will continue to exist and the good ones will probably prosper but once the new patch hits the industrial thief will become alot rarer and the industrial thief will become a much more dangerous occupation.
Firstly teed off miners will attack and start setting upp traps, next you will have hunters roaming to find the thives to get even and finally you will have hardcore PvP players setting upp the traps.
Naturally there will be alot of problems for the miner aswell, we will have an influx of combat fitted ships hopping from belt to belt moving ore from a miners jetcan into their own in the hopes that the miner will be dumb enough to attack but that will be a passing fad, killing a miner is never going to be as rewarding as killing an ore or loot thief.
The thing ore thives should start worrying about is BS's at sniping range and multiple jetcans at the miner, lets say the miner happily mines away and an Apoc pilot flies upp and jetisones 2-3 cans next to the miners can, now the miner will get perplexed at first but as the ore in his can is left untouched he will probably think nothing of it.
The Apoc pilot next moved out to a suitable distance and pretends to mine... may even have fitted a mining laser or two to make it look real.
Enter stage left the ore thief.
A quick scan reveals a jucy target with several jetcans and off he goes, now stealing the miners own can works fine but take anything from the BS's can and *POOF* justice served cold and cut with a hot knife.
In short its going to be interesting to see what happens.
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20. Is it true all pvpers have carebear alts?
Yes, of course. I have so much fun looking up who's alt is who's 
kieron
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Skyscorcher
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Posted - 2005.12.14 01:28:00 -
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Quote:
A quick scan reveals a jucy target with several jetcans and off he goes, now stealing the miners own can works fine but take anything from the BS's can and *POOF* justice served cold and cut with a hot knife.
Easy to evade if you have people's corp ticker in your overview.
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Fester Addams
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Posted - 2005.12.14 19:56:00 -
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Originally by: Skyscorcher
Quote:
A quick scan reveals a jucy target with several jetcans and off he goes, now stealing the miners own can works fine but take anything from the BS's can and *POOF* justice served cold and cut with a hot knife.
Easy to evade if you have people's corp ticker in your overview.
True... but then there are always variants of such things.
In some cases the thief will be dumb enough to take from the wrong can and there will be situations when the hunter and miner are both in the same corp.
All Im saying is it is going to be interesting in ~24hrs to see what happens.
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20. Is it true all pvpers have carebear alts?
Yes, of course. I have so much fun looking up who's alt is who's
kieron
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Silberhaar
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Posted - 2005.12.16 22:37:00 -
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An interesting happening which will probably protect the macro miners completely: As I looted a can I got destroyed by NPC police.
I think this was stated:
* if you take* from someones can, they and their corp, and gang, can shoot you.
* if anyone shoots you, you can shoot back.
* you can dock or go near sentries at any time. concorde leaves you alone also.
It is stated that neither Concord nor any NPC police will attack the can looter.
What this probably means: Macroers are now completely protected.
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Tenaj
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Posted - 2005.12.17 11:10:00 -
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Originally by: Silberhaar
An interesting happening which will probably protect the macro miners completely: As I looted a can I got destroyed by NPC police.
That shouldn't have happened.
Channel TOOKURSTUFF, serving the Criminal community.
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Silberhaar
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Posted - 2005.12.17 13:03:00 -
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Edited by: Silberhaar on 17/12/2005 13:03:46
Originally by: Tenaj
Originally by: Silberhaar
An interesting happening which will probably protect the macro miners completely: As I looted a can I got destroyed by NPC police.
That shouldn't have happened.
But it happened!  
I lost my ship due this. I had petitioned this.
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Skyscorcher
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Posted - 2005.12.18 01:55:00 -
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You sure? What happened exactly?
The only thing I can think of is that you accidently shot or EW'd someone and didn't notice.
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Specture
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Posted - 2005.12.27 12:20:00 -
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Originally by: Fester Addams
An interesting series about a dying occupation.
Dont get me wrong, ore thives will continue to exist and the good ones will probably prosper but once the new patch hits the industrial thief will become alot rarer and the industrial thief will become a much more dangerous occupation.
Firstly teed off miners will attack and start setting upp traps, next you will have hunters roaming to find the thives to get even and finally you will have hardcore PvP players setting upp the traps.
Naturally there will be alot of problems for the miner aswell, we will have an influx of combat fitted ships hopping from belt to belt moving ore from a miners jetcan into their own in the hopes that the miner will be dumb enough to attack but that will be a passing fad, killing a miner is never going to be as rewarding as killing an ore or loot thief.
The thing ore thives should start worrying about is BS's at sniping range and multiple jetcans at the miner, lets say the miner happily mines away and an Apoc pilot flies upp and jetisones 2-3 cans next to the miners can, now the miner will get perplexed at first but as the ore in his can is left untouched he will probably think nothing of it.
The Apoc pilot next moved out to a suitable distance and pretends to mine... may even have fitted a mining laser or two to make it look real.
Enter stage left the ore thief.
A quick scan reveals a jucy target with several jetcans and off he goes, now stealing the miners own can works fine but take anything from the BS's can and *POOF* justice served cold and cut with a hot knife.
In short its going to be interesting to see what happens.
heheh not a dieing occupation, just made it 10x more interesting. :D and the fact you can dock, grab your HAC and go blast that miner apoc that attacked your itty 1 with warrior drones,.... OOOOPS :p
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Chrosis
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Posted - 2005.12.28 19:12:00 -
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Thanks Tenaj, this has more than one use
The hunted stag has two choices to avoid the wolf. He can either stand and fight or learn the wolf tactics in advance thus avoiding becoming prey. And if the wolf is kind enough to provide a step by step guide on how he's gonna go about hunting the stag well that's a bonus eh? 
As for criminal flagging, it's a trap don't fall for it hehe
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Facetious One
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Posted - 2006.01.10 15:43:00 -
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THough I am not an ore thief to the common every -day hard working miner.....I have enjoyed thieving from the macro miners . I have found about 3 groups of 6 retrievers--all with toons created on the same day, all in retrievers....so been getting fat on their ore.....It usually takes about 2-3 cycles on their mining lasers before they realize all their ore is being transferred to my can  .... Its kind of sad now though, as the colors of the can is now changed .. (so someone elses can is now red)--I was enjoying destroying their haulers and the occasional retriever that tried to move ore from my can 
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Jim Lovell
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Posted - 2006.01.10 16:01:00 -
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just to say who cares about stealing ore lol! I mean jesus is that it you fly around empire taking poxy amounts of ..lol `scordite.. , heh must enjoy the scenery or something 
I hear Luminare is particulry luminous at this time of the year, noya belt esspesialy rofl
p.s this is just to see if my sig works lol...BUMP
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cryptic edge
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Posted - 2006.01.15 01:59:00 -
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I'm a professional miner, and this has given me respect to some ore thieves though it is still a dirty job, and yes, I wish they wouldnt bother me, but do I cry about it? No. Do I ask for corp help to either scare away or destroy the thief? Sure, I have a job to do, as does he, if he steals my ore, how can I do my job? Now with that being said, only one ore thief ever really shows up where I mine usually, and he has told us before, he just does it to start a bit of pvp in empire space, though I dont think thats a real reason to be an ore thief (we usually get all our ore back, because he puts it in his own can and we just take it back after our corps BS's show up)
Very good post Tenaj, thanks for the perspective :) I hate your job but I respect your reasons.
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Devil Chaser
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Posted - 2006.01.29 19:58:00 -
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Does anyone have a link to a detailed report of the new rules governing theft? I understand them slightly but I can't find a detailed report. Or maybe just explain exactly what danger thieves are now in after the RMR patch?
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Daikatana00
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Posted - 2006.02.01 21:09:00 -
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Originally by: Devil Chaser
Does anyone have a link to a detailed report of the new rules governing theft? I understand them slightly but I can't find a detailed report. Or maybe just explain exactly what danger thieves are now in after the RMR patch?
From what I can gather it looks like you, your corp, or your gang can attack them within 15 minutes after the theft. They can attack anyone who attacks them. The cops stand by and watch unless someone in this exchange is podded.
The one thing I cant find out is: CAN THIER GANG/CORP ATTACK YOU? (after you attack them) I am assuming they can but am not quite sure yet.
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Arkanor
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Posted - 2006.02.08 01:18:00 -
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Edited by: Arkanor on 08/02/2006 01:19:59
To all the miners you seriously want to save the jetcanning for when you actually have a friend in a hauler nearby and/or guards. Never assume ore in a can is safe, and make sure the ore in your hold is safe by taking special precautions in low sec :P
Don't forget, it is all just a game in the end
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TheKiller8
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Posted - 2006.02.08 01:25:00 -
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I suggest all ore thieves switch to Battle Badgers. I don't steal ore but I've found out that pretending to be an ore thief can get you some really easy and dirty kills. All it takes is for the nub in the Hulk to sick his drones on you.. then 5 minutes later
2006.02.07 23:40
wtf ur ealize that ship cost me halve bil u farkin jerk
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St'oto
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Posted - 2006.02.11 18:09:00 -
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Originally by: TheKiller8
I suggest all ore thieves switch to Battle Badgers. I don't steal ore but I've found out that pretending to be an ore thief can get you some really easy and dirty kills. All it takes is for the nub in the Hulk to sick his drones on you.. then 5 minutes later
2006.02.07 23:40
wtf ur ealize that ship cost me halve bil u farkin jerk
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Basalt
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Posted - 2006.02.13 22:44:00 -
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I had a really confusing encounter yesterday to do with an ore thief.
I was Ice mining in my covetor and a indy ore theif pulls up to my can. I locked him before he even got to my can but he kept coming. Inevitably he grabbed some ice and started to run. I scrambled him, launched my drones and poped his hauler. Not a word was exchanged throughout the engagement. No big deal.
I'm pretty much a soloer and I figured that he'd be back now that he had me flagged and likely with friends, so I insta'd back to the station, grabbed my hauler and ran to my can to empty it before I parked my character. The first trip was no problem. I got a full load all but 2 chunks of ICE which was left in the can. I insta'd back to my base dropped off the load and returned to the belt.
When I got back there was a red can in the place of the can I had left (keep in mind that I'd only been gone about 20 seconds) but nobody in the belt was red to me. On top of that there was an Iteron mk5 about 200m from the red can that had replaced my can. The Iteron pilot grabbed the contents of the can and took off with it, all without flagging.
I convo'd the Iteron pilot to ask if he'd been working with the pilot of the hoarder that I'd poped. He asked if that was supposed to scare him (??). I said no, that I was curious as to what had happened while I was gone. He said thx for teh Ic3! L0L!!!
So my question is WTH happened? Something would have had to insta to my can, transfer the contents to another can and then get out of the belt or cloak inside of 20 seconds. Then when the Iteron pilot picked up the tiny bit of ICE he would have flagged to whoever had done the deed. If that's the case why didn't the person who set the trap do anything?
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Devil Chaser
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Posted - 2006.02.13 23:19:00 -
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Ooh, that makes me think of a very very neat trick:
1- A guy in a shuttle flies up to a can. Makes his own jetcan, and commences a transfer, pops the original can, then flies out.
2- A different guy in a dif corp / gang flies in with hauler and grabs the loot from that can.
3- The shuttle pilot returns with his fighting ship, should the original owner try to take back the ore.
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Lux Simian
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Posted - 2006.03.03 21:59:00 -
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If you want to pick on players, have the guts to do it properly. Don't justify it by some kind of anti micro-miner situation, because thats down to the Game Owners to deal with.
Besides the people who suffer most are new gamers, who end up being frustrated by this, and probably end up looking to ebay for some ISK rather than the constant irritation caused through people turning up in hardcore ships to thieve from those who are struggling to make up their first few mill.
Go on have the guts to be pirates, rather than simply drifting about through areas where you'll be safe because if they can attack you, they'll get hammered with the criminal status.
Unless stealing candy from children is your thing, which is basically all you are doing. I notice that no one steals from my friends who have battle cruisers and the like.
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Zube Zwartraider
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Posted - 2006.03.08 11:08:00 -
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A very interesting guide, I enjoyed reading it. But being a new player I still have some basic questions.
The guide describes stealing ore from players who use jet cans to store their ore. I am a miner and i purchased giant secure containers to store my ore while I switch between a cruiser for mining and a industrial for hauling. Does this make me vulnerable to ore thieves as well? Ok, when I'm not around, the cans are sealed tight and only folks who know the password can enter it. But during mining I keep the can inventory open while I drag the ore directly from my cargo. Is this a situation where a thief is able to access my container, since I am keeping it open so I can store the ore?
Also, what does exactly happen when I loot a regular can which belongs to someone else? Let's say I see a leftover can from a killed npc pirate that a player didn't decide to loot. What happens when I ignore the steal warning message and take the stuff within? Does Concord immideatly fly in and blast me to pieces. Does my security status drop and the player who I stole from gets informed about that and is allowed to kill me when pleased without concord punishing him?
Kinda basic questions which I could solve by trying the stuff out myself, but I try to play the honest hard working miner and someone explaining me this stuff would be appreciated. Thanks.
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