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Eden Deninard
Brave Newbies Inc.
Brave Collective
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Posted - 2013.05.16 05:12:00 -
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No, we're not the same. Some people are utter garbage that honestly deserve to be podded on sight in any known or unknown space. |
Makkal Hanaya
Revenent Defence Corperation
455
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Posted - 2013.05.16 07:46:00 -
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All of humanity is my kin.
My brothers and sisters are not defined by blood, nationality, or technology, but by the spirit.
Render unto Khanid the things which are Khanid's; and unto God the things that are God's. |
Sepherim
PIE Inc.
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
441
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Posted - 2013.05.16 13:21:00 -
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Felsusguy wrote:We are of the same type, you and I. Same capsuleer training, same capsuleer implants, same capsuleer sociopathy. And our clones are made of the same variety of biomass. Every time we are reborn, we enter our next life in the same way. You can go no closer to kin than that, save for actual blood relations. Call it a sibling rivalry, but don't forget: we are kin.
No.
Different universities give different trainings and skill sets to their students, so dwe don't have the same training.
We don't have the same implants, only the basic pod control interfaces, as each ownes other implants beside those that are personal.
I'm not a sociopath, so we're different in that as well.
And so do all humans are made of the same biochemicals, cell types, water and DNA, with minor differences.
Every human that is born enters life in the same way.
So, either all humans are kin as captain Hanaya suggest, if you take such a broad sense of kinship that devoids it of any meaning, or then we're not kin. As I said, I am not your brother, as much as you'd like to, and will never be. My brothers are in the Empire: in the Imperial Navy, in the Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris. You are neither of those. Thus, you fall in the cathegory of potential friends, potential enemies, and wartargets that covers all the rest.
Sepherim Catillah
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris Liuteneant
Ex-Imperial Navy Imperator Commander |
Adreena Madeveda
Re-Awakened Technologies Inc
139
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Posted - 2013.05.16 13:47:00 -
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Felsusguy wrote:
[...] same capsuleer sociopathy.
Don't try and drag all of us in your own pit.
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/o/................... |
Vinh Trahn
Re-Awakened Technologies Inc
9
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Posted - 2013.05.16 14:19:00 -
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We are not all brothers and sisters, not in blood, not in bond.
We are not all alike, we do not behave the same under duress, we do not act the same towards others.
We are not an element, we are not a mineral. We do not behave statistically the same to situations presented to us.
Though our biomass might be inherently the same our experiences and our frame of reference gives us a peculiar ability that can not be defined by the laws of nature.
The ability of free thought.
Truth you find through your adversities will defend you. |
Ston Momaki
Disciples of Ston
796
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Posted - 2013.05.16 14:26:00 -
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If we are hated, it is because we have accepted as the core philosophy of capsuleer life that we exist to exercise power and technology as a means of destructive force. We have set ourselves up to be feared rather than loved and admired.
But, what if, instead of brothers and sister "in arms" we were brothers and sisters "arm in arm" using the technology of the capsuleer and the training of the capsuleer for peace and for the betterment of humanity. Were that we were not trained for war, but trained for peace. Were that the machines of our technology designed to help rather than destroy, to heal rather than to kill.
We should not circle the wagons against those who "hate" us. Instead, let us serve until we are loved and respected. We need not be hated. The potential for transformation in our cluster does not lie in wepons and in clone soldiers. Let us drop doctors carrying medicine instead of soldiers carrying weapons. Let us fly ships full of food and agricultural equipment instead of ships bristling with cannons and missile launchers.
Perhaps the hate that is felt is just a reflection of the hate that reside within.
The Disciples of Ston bid you peace |
Quinzel Nikulainen
Kokako Acquisitions
214
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Posted - 2013.05.16 14:34:00 -
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Alright, let's get something straight. This isn't an 'us or them' situation and you're gonna very quickly endanger yourself if you make it that.
I like the idea of giving those claims of 'immortality' a little more credibility by securing and perfecting the method, but this talk of kinship is a load of fedo ****.
The majority who don't have access to the tech we do are just less privileged. That's all. They're not the enemy. And they're no more my brother than you are.
Ex-Kaalakiota citizen. Ex-Hyasyoda citizen. CEO of-áK+îKAK. Despite her corporate journey, Quinzel now subscribes to the leanings of the Practical bloc.-á |
Vinh Trahn
Re-Awakened Technologies Inc
9
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Posted - 2013.05.16 14:37:00 -
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Ston Momaki wrote:
Perhaps the hate that is felt is just a reflection of the hate that reside within.
What we show on the outside is logically part of what is inside of us. The Voluval ritual can be seen as a physical representation of this.
However it is what we do with what we have inside that defines us. Some use seek only to better themselves, some seek to better others through what we have been given.
It is our diversity that makes us great, that makes us interesting. I don't think I could live in a world where my ideas weren't challenged from time to time.
I do think I could live in a world where we wouldn't blow each other up over those ideas however.
Truth you find through your adversities will defend you. |
Katarina Musana
Phyrean Logistics Inc.
43
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Posted - 2013.05.16 21:08:00 -
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Fredfredbug4 wrote:Felsusguy wrote:Sepherim wrote:We are not immortal. I contest that. We are perpetual, our minds last indefinitely, and although we may cease to exist, it is not because we die. Well technically, we died the first time we got cloned. Our clones are merely look-a-likes with our exact personality and memory loaded onto it. Basically, we've all technically been dead for a while now. Just...don't think about it...
If you do think about it, you have to start redefining what "dead" is. Personally, I prefer to leave that to the shamans.
Sepherim wrote:No, we are not. That we share a technology doesn't make us kin. It's like saying all who use a certain model of computer AI are kin because of that, or that those who like the same sport are kin. They are not, and neither are we.
It gives us something in common but I find myself in agreement with Mr. Catillah. We are not kin. Among my kin are capsuleers, baseliners, and clone soldiers. But there are capsuleers, clone soldiers, and baseliners whom I could never view as kin.
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Katran Luftschreck
Royal Ammatar Engineering Corps
1482
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Posted - 2013.05.17 01:00:00 -
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Ston Momaki wrote:If we are hated, it is because we have accepted as the core philosophy of capsuleer life that we exist to exercise power and technology as a means of destructive force. We have set ourselves up to be feared rather than loved and admired.
Personally, I own an automated factory that produces vaccines. I also enjoy hunting down Sansha ships that make the mistake of being in Ammatar space.
There are lots of ways to help people. Sometimes heal patients; sometimes execute dangerous people. Either way helps.
The day CCP codes together a bot program that slaps 30 day forum bans on anyone who says "can I have your stuff?" the overall average IQ of the EvE forums will quintuple overnight. |
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