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Felsusguy
SVER True Blood
Unclaimed.
140
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Posted - 2013.05.14 21:52:00 -
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We are hated. By the government and by the people. They fear us, yet don't respect us.
And we are not the only ones.
New technologies have emerged, and with them, a new kind of human. They are like us, yet different. They have the clone, but not the capsule. They are limited, but also less restricted. Once the revelation of what they truly are comes, they will be hunted. They will be hated. Like us. In fact, they are already being hunted. They are already being hated. Tibus Heth hunts down his own loyal soldiers out of fear of retribution. They are fools. All of them. You cannot tame the immortal. You cannot kill the immortal. But they try, and their efforts keep us bound. And worse, they pit us against each other in a proxy war, both for their own imperialistic goals as well as to keep us distracted. They take advantage of our patriotism. Our pride.
And out there? Out there we fight large wars for petty things. We kill because of the rush. We cooperate purely out of greed and malice. That leaves us with two choices. Shall we be pathetic, but noble? Or shall we be petty, but strong? There is no good answer to that question.
Let us not fight for petty reasons. Let us not scowl at our earthbound brethren. We immortals must unite, or we will spend far longer under the grasp of the Federation, the State, the Republic and the Empire. We must work towards our own goals. We must empower ourselves and our down-to-earth allies, and we must hasten the dawn of our true power.
The empires, they hold the Empyrean Age with callous hands... so let's loosen their grip.
How droll. |
Shintoko Akahoshi
Pyre Falcon Defence Cadre XV-01A
Pyre Falcon Defence Combine
84
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Posted - 2013.05.14 21:56:00 -
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I like you...
Bio and writing |
Bartholemu Fu-Baz
The Scope
Gallente Federation
41
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Posted - 2013.05.14 22:16:00 -
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You know... I was starting to suspect the same thing...
... always the same excuses about decontaminating the station. We've clearly been segregated away from the population. |
Fredfredbug4
Eve Defence Force
Tribal Band
948
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Posted - 2013.05.14 22:28:00 -
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Come out to nullsec like me and those pesky Empires are completely gone from capsuleer affairs.
Watch Fred Fred Frederation and stop cryptozoologist! Fight against the brutal genocide of fictional creatures across New Eden! Is that a metaphor? Probably not, but the fru-fru- people will sure love it! |
Sakura Nihil
Stimulus
Rote Kapelle
222
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Posted - 2013.05.15 00:26:00 -
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"Petty but strong" sounds fine to me.
10 Thoraxes, 3 Minutes
Star Fraction vs. Band of Brothers - An Inside Perspective
https://truestories.eveonline.com/ideas/940-10-thoraxes-3-minutes |
Xindi Kraid
The Night Wardens
Viro Mors Non Est
479
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Posted - 2013.05.15 01:21:00 -
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Fredfredbug4 wrote:Come out to nullsec like me and those pesky Empires are completely gone from capsuleer affairs.
I prefer to roam the uncharted wilds of Anoikis. In nullsec all you are doing is escaping the national politics driven by greedy, self-serving politicians and replacing it with alliance politics run by greedy, self-serving leaders. Alliance politics are actually MORE invasive in some cases.
It is interesting to see the results of becoming functionally immortal. Our bodies, and the lives they hold simply become another commodity, and the change in psychology causes interesting things to happen. It seems to breed a kind of sociopathy, though I sometimes wonder if the traits that make someone able to use a capsule happen to be coincident with traits that lead to mental instability. |
Sepherim
PIE Inc.
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
431
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Posted - 2013.05.15 01:31:00 -
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We are not inmortal. We may live after death, but we die. And, sooner or later, something will interrupt our transfer and we won't emerge alive on the other side. It may be a slim chance each time, but it happens, and even the smallest chance becomes certainty in the face of the infinite, or eternity in this case.
So no, we're not inmortal. And it's the stupid delusions of the sort that make us be hated, because most pod-pilots are little more than self-loving fools with the power of the mightiest machines of destruction humankind has created. No wonder we are hated so much, most of the eggers aren't as high as it would be required to be what we are, most are just wrecks one way or another.
Sepherim Catillah
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris Liuteneant
Ex-Imperial Navy Imperator Commander |
Felsusguy
SVER True Blood
Unclaimed.
144
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Posted - 2013.05.15 01:45:00 -
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Sepherim wrote:We are not immortal.
I contest that. We are perpetual, our minds last indefinitely, and although we may cease to exist, it is not because we die.
How droll. |
Fredfredbug4
Eve Defence Force
Tribal Band
950
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Posted - 2013.05.15 01:48:00 -
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Felsusguy wrote:Sepherim wrote:We are not immortal. I contest that. We are perpetual, our minds last indefinitely, and although we may cease to exist, it is not because we die.
Well technically, we died the first time we got cloned. Our clones are merely look-a-likes with our exact personality and memory loaded onto it. Basically, we've all technically been dead for a while now.
Just...don't think about it...
Watch Fred Fred Frederation and stop cryptozoologist! Fight against the brutal genocide of fictional creatures across New Eden! Is that a metaphor? Probably not, but the fru-fru- people will sure love it! |
Xindi Kraid
The Night Wardens
Viro Mors Non Est
480
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Posted - 2013.05.15 01:51:00 -
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Note i said FUNCTIONALLY immortal. We can die in the extremely unlikely event of a CRU malfunction, and our clones can be seized and destroyed, and, of course, if we die outside our pods, that's just too damn bad. In spite of this, if we are killed we will almost certainly wake up in a new body, so death has little meaning while we remain in space, and that's happens to be where most capsuleers spend most of their time. |
Xindi Kraid
The Night Wardens
Viro Mors Non Est
480
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Posted - 2013.05.15 01:59:00 -
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Fredfredbug4 wrote:Felsusguy wrote:Sepherim wrote:We are not immortal. I contest that. We are perpetual, our minds last indefinitely, and although we may cease to exist, it is not because we die. Well technically, we died the first time we got cloned. Our clones are merely look-a-likes with our exact personality and memory loaded onto it. Basically, we've all technically been dead for a while now. Just...don't think about it...
I contend that I am my mind, not my body.
When I was cloned, most of the cells in my body were not the same cells I has been born with. Were I to replace my innards with cybernetics one by one, it would still be my body, and I would still be me, so replacing the body wholesale makes no difference.
Each one of my incarnations may be separate if you consider my mind to have been copied and the original lost rather than just my mind moving, but just as a mosaic of individual pieces coalesce to form an image, so the different incarnations of me coalesce to become one me. The only philosophical thing I am still nulling over is what would happen if two copies existed at the same time.
Though my body may die, I only die when my mind is lost or destroyed. |
Fredfredbug4
Eve Defence Force
Tribal Band
951
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Posted - 2013.05.15 02:06:00 -
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Xindi Kraid wrote:Fredfredbug4 wrote:Felsusguy wrote:Sepherim wrote:We are not immortal. I contest that. We are perpetual, our minds last indefinitely, and although we may cease to exist, it is not because we die. Well technically, we died the first time we got cloned. Our clones are merely look-a-likes with our exact personality and memory loaded onto it. Basically, we've all technically been dead for a while now. Just...don't think about it... I contend that I am my mind, not my body. When I was cloned, most of the cells in my body were not the same cells I has been born with. Were I to replace my innards with cybernetics one by one, it would still be my body, and I would still be me, so replacing the body wholesale makes no difference. Each one of my incarnations may be separate if you consider my mind to have been copied and the original lost rather than just my mind moving, but just as a mosaic of individual pieces coalesce to form an image, so the different incarnations of me coalesce to become one me. The only philosophical thing I am still nulling over is what would happen if two copies existed at the same time. Though my body may die, I only die when my mind is lost or destroyed.
Well if you are talking philosophically you could easily make the argument that your mind alone is what makes you "alive". In fact I prefer to agree with that notion. Not sure if it's because I actually believe it, or just go along with it to prevent myself from going mad. but I digress. From a purely scientific standpoint though, we have died, and what we have now is a copy, if a really good one.
Now, if two clones were active at the same time, would that mean there are two of you at once, or is one of the clones considered a completely separate person, like an identical twin? If they are considered separate, then who would be the original you?
Watch Fred Fred Frederation and stop cryptozoologist! Fight against the brutal genocide of fictional creatures across New Eden! Is that a metaphor? Probably not, but the fru-fru- people will sure love it! |
Samira Kernher
Praetorian Auxiliary Force
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
170
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Posted - 2013.05.15 02:22:00 -
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The empires should tighten their grip, not loosen it. Capsuleers are already given too much power, which tempts them into doing evil. They must be chained if they are to be saved from falling further into sin.
My only brothers and sisters are those faithful to God and loyal to the Empire. |
Uraniae Fehrnah
Viziam
Amarr Empire
228
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Posted - 2013.05.15 04:40:00 -
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Samira Kernher wrote:The empires should tighten their grip, not loosen it. Capsuleers are already given too much power, which tempts them into doing evil. They must be chained if they are to be saved from falling further into sin.
My only brothers and sisters are those faithful to God and loyal to the Empire.
If power breeds the temptation to sin, then anyone or anything that has the power to chain an infomorph is just as susceptible, if not moreso, to the temptation to sin. |
Denak Calamari
Ozark Cartel
White Mountain Coalition
30
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Posted - 2013.05.15 05:46:00 -
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Us mercenaries have a weird relationship with the empires. As Felsusguy said, we are starting to become like capsuleers, feared and hated by all the empires. This has already been proven by the acts of Tibus Heth, which we luckily managed to thwart, as he tried to kill all the dropclone soldiers loyal to his cause.
Yet on the other hand, the empires keep making us new weapons, equipment, modules and vehicles and let us participate in the battle to conquer lowsec territory for the empires. To me it seems that the empires think of us dropclone soldiers the same way as capsuleers, a necessary evil to keep things stable.
Immortality is overrated. |
Quinzel Nikulainen
Kokako Acquisitions
214
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Posted - 2013.05.15 08:00:00 -
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There's some credit to this.
Don't feel like gambling with my retirement years.
I'm... close to some of the new-age soldiers. What I gather, the Empires tried to destroy them when they realized they could not be controlled as well as they were hoping. Wouldn't surprise me if they wanted to tie down us Capsuleers, too.
Now, I ain't saying '**** the Empires' at all. But some insurance would be nice that somebody like... Heth... couldn't seize power and decide to shut us down. It seems only sensible we take control of our own fates.
Ex-Kaalakiota citizen. Ex-Hyasyoda citizen. CEO of-áK+îKAK. Despite her corporate journey, Quinzel now subscribes to the leanings of the Practical bloc.-á |
Mabego Tetrimon
Spiritus Draconis
Sicarius Draconis
9
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Posted - 2013.05.15 10:01:00 -
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Felsusguy wrote:We immortals must unite
i am not your brother, and if i can i will just destroy your ship and your pod happily |
Kim Ji-Young
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
24
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Posted - 2013.05.15 12:45:00 -
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Felsusguy wrote:I am hated. By the government and by the people. They fear me, yet don't respect me.
I fight large wars for petty things. I kill because of the rush. I cooperate purely out of greed and malice.
Fixed it for you. |
Anslo
The Scope
Gallente Federation
1469
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Posted - 2013.05.15 12:51:00 -
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Xindi Kraid wrote:Note i said FUNCTIONALLY immortal. We can die in the extremely unlikely event of a CRU malfunction, and our clones can be seized and destroyed, and, of course, if we die outside our pods, that's just too damn bad. In spite of this, if we are killed we will almost certainly wake up in a new body, so death has little meaning while we remain in space, and that's happens to be where most capsuleers spend most of their time.
That's not immortal.
Immortal (adj). Living forever; never dying or decaying.
Transhuman (adj). A former human whose basic capacities have so radically exceed those of baseline humans as to be no longer unambiguously human by our current standards.
We're transhuman or posthuman or somewhere there. We're not immortal. Someone can walk into your clone creche, a technician for instance, who decided that he doesn't like you anymore. He pulls the plug, kills all your clones, and diverts your info-morph transmission path into a sun. You die.
Immortal is when, despite said technicians actions, you still live, show up, and teach him a lesson.
We're not immortal, we're not gods, we're slightly evolved apes with shiny toys.
P.S. We're not all hated. I have plenty of egg and baseline friends. Try not being an egotistical ass and you might be liked.
P.S.S. This is mostly directed at OP's stupidity, not you Kraid.
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Istvaan Shogaatsu
Guiding Hand Social Club
892
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Posted - 2013.05.15 13:17:00 -
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There's one faction you neglected to mention in your list of factions who hate capsuleers:
Capsuleers.
Brothers in arms my arse. |
Sepherim
PIE Inc.
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
438
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Posted - 2013.05.15 14:03:00 -
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For once, I'll have to agree with captain Anslo. Completely.
Sepherim Catillah
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris Liuteneant
Ex-Imperial Navy Imperator Commander |
Anslo
The Scope
Gallente Federation
1470
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Posted - 2013.05.15 14:05:00 -
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Sepherim wrote:For once, I'll have to agree with captain Anslo. Completely.
Well that's a first.
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Rosen Thornn
House of Nightshade
18
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Posted - 2013.05.15 16:14:00 -
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Felsusguy wrote:We are hated. By the government and by the people. They fear us, yet don't respect us.
We have earned their fear, we have given them no reason to respect us. Are brothers and sisters on the ground have done nothing to change this.
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Sepherim
PIE Inc.
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
438
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Posted - 2013.05.15 18:21:00 -
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Anslo wrote:Well that's a first.
I know. Where has the world gone to if us two start agreeing now?
Sepherim Catillah
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris Liuteneant
Ex-Imperial Navy Imperator Commander |
Evi Polevhia
True Slave Foundations
Shaktipat Revelators
126
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Posted - 2013.05.15 19:21:00 -
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The empires play their own little petty games. Who cares if they respect us or not? Most capsuleers already only care about what they can get out of the interaction. |
Felsusguy
SVER True Blood
Unclaimed.
147
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Posted - 2013.05.15 19:34:00 -
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Istvaan Shogaatsu wrote:There's one faction you neglected to mention in your list of factions who hate capsuleers:
Capsuleers.
Brothers in arms my arse.
We are kin, and we are all fighting this war. We just don't realize which side we should be on.
How droll. |
Evi Polevhia
True Slave Foundations
Shaktipat Revelators
126
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Posted - 2013.05.15 19:37:00 -
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Felsusguy wrote:Istvaan Shogaatsu wrote:There's one faction you neglected to mention in your list of factions who hate capsuleers:
Capsuleers.
Brothers in arms my arse. We are kin, and we are all fighting this war. We just don't realize which side we should be on.
Perhaps you do not. Come to Reynire and we can discuss the merit of different sides. |
Sepherim
PIE Inc.
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
441
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Posted - 2013.05.16 01:04:00 -
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Felsusguy wrote:We are kin, and we are all fighting this war. We just don't realize which side we should be on.
No, we are not. That we share a technology doesn't make us kin. It's like saying all who use a certain model of computer AI are kin because of that, or that those who like the same sport are kin. They are not, and neither are we.
Sepherim Catillah
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris Liuteneant
Ex-Imperial Navy Imperator Commander |
Felsusguy
SVER True Blood
Unclaimed.
148
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Posted - 2013.05.16 03:23:00 -
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Sepherim wrote:Felsusguy wrote:We are kin, and we are all fighting this war. We just don't realize which side we should be on. No, we are not. That we share a technology doesn't make us kin. It's like saying all who use a certain model of computer AI are kin because of that, or that those who like the same sport are kin. They are not, and neither are we.
We are of the same type, you and I. Same capsuleer training, same capsuleer implants, same capsuleer sociopathy. And our clones are made of the same variety of biomass. Every time we are reborn, we enter our next life in the same way. You can go no closer to kin than that, save for actual blood relations. Call it a sibling rivalry, but don't forget: we are kin.
How droll. |
Evi Polevhia
True Slave Foundations
Shaktipat Revelators
126
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Posted - 2013.05.16 04:59:00 -
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Felsusguy wrote:Sepherim wrote:Felsusguy wrote:We are kin, and we are all fighting this war. We just don't realize which side we should be on. No, we are not. That we share a technology doesn't make us kin. It's like saying all who use a certain model of computer AI are kin because of that, or that those who like the same sport are kin. They are not, and neither are we. We are of the same type, you and I. Same capsuleer training, same capsuleer implants, same capsuleer sociopathy. And our clones are made of the same variety of biomass. Every time we are reborn, we enter our next life in the same way. You can go no closer to kin than that, save for actual blood relations. Call it a sibling rivalry, but don't forget: we are kin.
Kin means different things to different people. Bits of metal in your head doesn't make you kin any more then the fact you both have bone in your head comprising a skull. It makes you kin in the larger Human sense, but that's about all. |
Eden Deninard
Brave Newbies Inc.
Brave Collective
1
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Posted - 2013.05.16 05:12:00 -
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No, we're not the same. Some people are utter garbage that honestly deserve to be podded on sight in any known or unknown space. |
Makkal Hanaya
Revenent Defence Corperation
455
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Posted - 2013.05.16 07:46:00 -
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All of humanity is my kin.
My brothers and sisters are not defined by blood, nationality, or technology, but by the spirit.
Render unto Khanid the things which are Khanid's; and unto God the things that are God's. |
Sepherim
PIE Inc.
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
441
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Posted - 2013.05.16 13:21:00 -
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Felsusguy wrote:We are of the same type, you and I. Same capsuleer training, same capsuleer implants, same capsuleer sociopathy. And our clones are made of the same variety of biomass. Every time we are reborn, we enter our next life in the same way. You can go no closer to kin than that, save for actual blood relations. Call it a sibling rivalry, but don't forget: we are kin.
No.
Different universities give different trainings and skill sets to their students, so dwe don't have the same training.
We don't have the same implants, only the basic pod control interfaces, as each ownes other implants beside those that are personal.
I'm not a sociopath, so we're different in that as well.
And so do all humans are made of the same biochemicals, cell types, water and DNA, with minor differences.
Every human that is born enters life in the same way.
So, either all humans are kin as captain Hanaya suggest, if you take such a broad sense of kinship that devoids it of any meaning, or then we're not kin. As I said, I am not your brother, as much as you'd like to, and will never be. My brothers are in the Empire: in the Imperial Navy, in the Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris. You are neither of those. Thus, you fall in the cathegory of potential friends, potential enemies, and wartargets that covers all the rest.
Sepherim Catillah
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris Liuteneant
Ex-Imperial Navy Imperator Commander |
Adreena Madeveda
Re-Awakened Technologies Inc
139
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Posted - 2013.05.16 13:47:00 -
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Felsusguy wrote:
[...] same capsuleer sociopathy.
Don't try and drag all of us in your own pit.
...................\o\
/o/................... |
Vinh Trahn
Re-Awakened Technologies Inc
9
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Posted - 2013.05.16 14:19:00 -
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We are not all brothers and sisters, not in blood, not in bond.
We are not all alike, we do not behave the same under duress, we do not act the same towards others.
We are not an element, we are not a mineral. We do not behave statistically the same to situations presented to us.
Though our biomass might be inherently the same our experiences and our frame of reference gives us a peculiar ability that can not be defined by the laws of nature.
The ability of free thought.
Truth you find through your adversities will defend you. |
Ston Momaki
Disciples of Ston
796
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Posted - 2013.05.16 14:26:00 -
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If we are hated, it is because we have accepted as the core philosophy of capsuleer life that we exist to exercise power and technology as a means of destructive force. We have set ourselves up to be feared rather than loved and admired.
But, what if, instead of brothers and sister "in arms" we were brothers and sisters "arm in arm" using the technology of the capsuleer and the training of the capsuleer for peace and for the betterment of humanity. Were that we were not trained for war, but trained for peace. Were that the machines of our technology designed to help rather than destroy, to heal rather than to kill.
We should not circle the wagons against those who "hate" us. Instead, let us serve until we are loved and respected. We need not be hated. The potential for transformation in our cluster does not lie in wepons and in clone soldiers. Let us drop doctors carrying medicine instead of soldiers carrying weapons. Let us fly ships full of food and agricultural equipment instead of ships bristling with cannons and missile launchers.
Perhaps the hate that is felt is just a reflection of the hate that reside within.
The Disciples of Ston bid you peace |
Quinzel Nikulainen
Kokako Acquisitions
214
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Posted - 2013.05.16 14:34:00 -
[37] - Quote
Alright, let's get something straight. This isn't an 'us or them' situation and you're gonna very quickly endanger yourself if you make it that.
I like the idea of giving those claims of 'immortality' a little more credibility by securing and perfecting the method, but this talk of kinship is a load of fedo ****.
The majority who don't have access to the tech we do are just less privileged. That's all. They're not the enemy. And they're no more my brother than you are.
Ex-Kaalakiota citizen. Ex-Hyasyoda citizen. CEO of-áK+îKAK. Despite her corporate journey, Quinzel now subscribes to the leanings of the Practical bloc.-á |
Vinh Trahn
Re-Awakened Technologies Inc
9
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Posted - 2013.05.16 14:37:00 -
[38] - Quote
Ston Momaki wrote:
Perhaps the hate that is felt is just a reflection of the hate that reside within.
What we show on the outside is logically part of what is inside of us. The Voluval ritual can be seen as a physical representation of this.
However it is what we do with what we have inside that defines us. Some use seek only to better themselves, some seek to better others through what we have been given.
It is our diversity that makes us great, that makes us interesting. I don't think I could live in a world where my ideas weren't challenged from time to time.
I do think I could live in a world where we wouldn't blow each other up over those ideas however.
Truth you find through your adversities will defend you. |
Katarina Musana
Phyrean Logistics Inc.
43
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Posted - 2013.05.16 21:08:00 -
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Fredfredbug4 wrote:Felsusguy wrote:Sepherim wrote:We are not immortal. I contest that. We are perpetual, our minds last indefinitely, and although we may cease to exist, it is not because we die. Well technically, we died the first time we got cloned. Our clones are merely look-a-likes with our exact personality and memory loaded onto it. Basically, we've all technically been dead for a while now. Just...don't think about it...
If you do think about it, you have to start redefining what "dead" is. Personally, I prefer to leave that to the shamans.
Sepherim wrote:No, we are not. That we share a technology doesn't make us kin. It's like saying all who use a certain model of computer AI are kin because of that, or that those who like the same sport are kin. They are not, and neither are we.
It gives us something in common but I find myself in agreement with Mr. Catillah. We are not kin. Among my kin are capsuleers, baseliners, and clone soldiers. But there are capsuleers, clone soldiers, and baseliners whom I could never view as kin.
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Katran Luftschreck
Royal Ammatar Engineering Corps
1482
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Posted - 2013.05.17 01:00:00 -
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Ston Momaki wrote:If we are hated, it is because we have accepted as the core philosophy of capsuleer life that we exist to exercise power and technology as a means of destructive force. We have set ourselves up to be feared rather than loved and admired.
Personally, I own an automated factory that produces vaccines. I also enjoy hunting down Sansha ships that make the mistake of being in Ammatar space.
There are lots of ways to help people. Sometimes heal patients; sometimes execute dangerous people. Either way helps.
The day CCP codes together a bot program that slaps 30 day forum bans on anyone who says "can I have your stuff?" the overall average IQ of the EvE forums will quintuple overnight. |
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