Ciyrine
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.07.12 14:18:00 -
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Darek Castigatus wrote:Ciyrine wrote:A newb interested in pvp quit. Something of value was lost. 600k subscribers and 8 alts per vet player average? Eve needs new blood, but the old vets are so full of their own **** how obvious everything is they cant help but **** on new players. No, it wasnt a guy interested in Pvp at all, it waas some random tosser who threw a fit when things didnt go his way straight away and then destroyed his character rather than learn from the experience. An attitude like that has no place in EvE and never will, hence the less than polite replies. And for your information new players dont get **** on because theyre new, they get **** on because they make assumptions about the game and its players that with even the smallest bit of research they would know werent true. The new player who makes the effort and does the research that lets them ditch their assumptions gets nothing but help, I've seen it time and again even here on the forums.
Ur exactly the kind of vet thats the problem.
1) u make intellectually dishonest statements that op wasnt interested in pvp....small hint for u....he was
2) then u call him a tosser which gives u moral wiggle room why shittig on him is fine
Let me give u a clue. New players do get **** on. Because they make all kinds of mistakes in game, on the forum in their questions, in their fits etc. Which vets find very insulting to their sensibilities. Because u know....gooogle...or its obvious...or just go out there and do it.
Let me give u a second clue. Researching info is going to find all kinds of contradictory, out of date, confusing material that a new player will have trouble sorting through. And it takes several months to catch up. I been ice mining for 2 mos which gave me the time to read several hours a day to learn whats going on with the game. And thats to learn the basics of the different choices in the game. The one resource i didnt use was eve wiki because most of the time the info was wrong out of date or just missing. And thats embarrasing. Most games have a vibrant community that does the updates. Im too new to do that and the vets dont care because its all obvious apparently
Asking questions on the forums i was told to ask in game chat, or test on sisi which requires the skills in the real game which shows how out of touch the vets are. They dont even know that a new player cant use sisi to test things. So basically a new player myself putting in tons of effort into the game was told to go away and shut up with my stupid questions or figure it out myself. And the mods locked most of my threads because in 10 years everythings been asked so everything i ask is a duplicate thread.
When u say new players are helped ur confused. That new player is a 6mo maybe but probably, 1 year, 3 year player trying something new but comes to the convo with enough information so he asks the question just right so he doesnt get **** on.
Many new players get brought into the game by a vet friend that gives them isk from the plex they got for the referral. Their spoon fed skillbooks, isk, ships, info and career paths. They might stick around
True new players that dont have rl in game friends are very unlikely to make it in this game. The stat is 1 in 20 stick around past the trial. Just maybe its something wrong with the community/game. How many more quit within a month or two from that? The game is complicated, the info is scattered missing incorrect when found and the communitiy is extrememly hostile to real newbs because u get so few of them around here u think their stupid troll tossers. So they get **** on by vets and mods
Ccp and mods to stupid to figure out how to make it more figure out how to make the game more accessible to new players. Not by dumbing down the game but by making the official wiki the best resource for info. Or make uniwiki official wiki remove the embarrasing evewiki. And get some mods that treat newbs with kitten gloves. Dont lock their topics left and right. Remove vet harrassment. Basically act like u need new players. Understand the hostility of the vets towards newbs. Mods need to take action to control vet attacks and not contribute to the problem by locking posts willy nilly. But since mods are just player vets thats not likely to happen |