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Six Six Six
Republic Military School
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Posted - 2013.05.16 10:54:00 -
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Bloody Wench wrote:250m a week?
A Billion?....Two? TEN?
I think it would be a good change to the game. Certainly for those hundreds of players in them. Might get them out into some real Corps.
tl:dr Immunity to wardecs is 'tehghey'.
Oh look, it's the them and us mentality yet again.
And there was me saying in another thread there must be some middle ground.
Well go ahead continue with your petty squabbles but in the process you're not doing the game any favours. |
Six Six Six
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2013.05.16 11:44:00 -
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Thorn Galen wrote:Destiny Corrupted wrote:Thorn Galen wrote:This again.
Still remains one of the worst ideas out there for so many different reasons.
Not worth rehashing or wasting time on this again.
You're right. We should boost incursion and level 4 income instead. Have you lost your mind ? I'll accept that as a troll otherwise. Don't give CCP such ideas please.
I shouldn't worry too much, it very unlikely that it would even happen. |
Six Six Six
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2013.05.16 13:19:00 -
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Bloody Wench wrote:With the recently announced corp drop timer changes, there's just no reason not to have all those players in some form of Player run Corp, be it their own or otherwise.
That's where you are wrong. There's a lot of bad player corps out there for various reasons and when a lot of people make a decision to join a player corp they don't want to have to start corp hopping to try and find a good one as it tends to mess up your employment record. |
Six Six Six
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2013.05.16 15:04:00 -
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Bloody Wench wrote:Six Six Six wrote:Bloody Wench wrote:With the recently announced corp drop timer changes, there's just no reason not to have all those players in some form of Player run Corp, be it their own or otherwise.
That's where you are wrong. There's a lot of bad player corps out there for various reasons and when a lot of people make a decision to join a player corp they don't want to have to start corp hopping to try and find a good one as it tends to mess up your employment record. Your employment record? This is your best argument? NPC corp for over a year is not a glowing endorsement either.
No, but at least it shows you're more likely to stay somewhere rather than just flitting about where your fancy take you.
Plus forcing people into crap player run corps won't help the game at all. Quite often all what will happen is they'll log on less and less or start a new character. Seen it happen many times before, not just in this game. |
Six Six Six
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2013.05.16 15:13:00 -
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Rek Seven wrote:Zero. NPC corps should never be able to be wardeced, they should be a place for beginners to get accustomed to the game. However, there should be a character age limit in all NPC corps.
Then what?
Start your own corp, get bored and leave.
Or join a poorly run player corp, get bored and leave.
Or you might find a good corp and actually stay.
There is no reason to be forced into a player corp.
I've said this many times and I'll say it again, you can't force people to do what they don't want to do (especially in a game). Maybe one day that will sink in to those who try to do exactly that. At least then it would save me from having to say it anymore. |
Six Six Six
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2013.05.16 16:28:00 -
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Some Rando wrote:Rather than being able to wardec NPC corps we should be advocating something a little different.
Anytime someone starts a mission, a random NPC corp member is teleported to the mission area with their current ship and becomes the "rat" for the mission (you could even have several of them being "waves", just hold the next guys in a limbo state). They can't leave the mission area until they or the mission runner is dead. The system could choose players for missions based on what class of ship they are flying at the time: L1 = pods/shuttles, L2 = frigates/industrials, L3 = destroyers/cruisers, L4 = battlecruisers, L5 = battleships.
In this way we accomplish several goals:
1. PvP is added to missions.
2. Missions become less of a grind.
3. NPC corp members are properly punished for avoiding wardecs.
4. NPC corp members are forced to PvP.
5. NPC corp members leave the game. |
Six Six Six
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2013.05.16 16:29:00 -
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Beekeeper Bob wrote:How bad do you have to be, that you require wardeccing noobs to get a kill? 
Bad, but not in the evil sense. |
Six Six Six
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2013.05.16 17:52:00 -
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Liang Nuren wrote:LHA Tarawa wrote:Bloody Wench wrote:
I think it would be a good change to the game. Certainly for those hundreds of players in them. Might get them out into some real Corps.
Yeah, a corp they just created... And if you war dec that newly created corp, they'll just create another new corp. And, if you prevent them from doing that, then they just won't log in. And if that persists, then they'll just drop subscription. What you CAN NOT do is get players with no interest in PvP, to be your easy targets. The real problem is that certain segments of the community view PVP as only being their particular brand of it. Theres's industrial PVP, market PVP, ship PVP, personal PVP (dust), etc. If someone doesn't have an interest in PVP, they wouldn't be playing Eve. And frankly, the game will be better off without the relatively minor amount of people who are 100% opposed to all PVP. The game cannot cater to that crowd without attempting to delve into the thing that's killed so many modern MMOs. There's a reason Eve is still alive... and that reason is PVP. -Liang
Except when we talk about PvE in this game we're really comparing it with combat PvP. So your industrial PvP, market PvP etc is being refered to as PvE. |
Six Six Six
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2013.05.16 20:23:00 -
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Corey Fumimasa wrote:5 or 10% the cost of whatever gank ship I would need to do the same thing. Wardecs are a pain in the ass, they are limited in time and you only get the one corp and they get a 24 hour heads up. And the other guys can run off to any of 1000 systems so you'll never find them.
The only good thing about them is that you can go after structure in highsec. Can NPC corps even put up POS's?
As far as I remember there are no NPC corp POS's you can't have one if you're in an NPC corp.
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Six Six Six
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2013.05.16 21:25:00 -
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Darak Pappation wrote:Just put the NPC factions into faction warfare for their respective race. I think that would actually be an interesting thing.
Interesting for who?
Just wouldn't work. |
Six Six Six
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2013.05.16 23:26:00 -
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Bloody Wench wrote:Arielle Lima wrote:It's not just a matter of getting us to join corps.
Corps simply don't want us.
The supposed "Good" corps have such tough entrance rules that many people just can't meet them. And people like me also don't want to be providing our API's all the time. It's the principal of the thing. Way to many hoops to jump through. So you might say "Well then you can forget about getting in a good corp". Fine...we don't want to join a corp anyway thats why I sit for 4 years in an NPC Corp...And then there is all the stories I have heard about new players joining a corp only to have theri paltry items stolen and them kicked out the same day.
Oh and then we join a corp and are required to sit on comms every time we log in, are ordered to CTA's when sometimes we just want to log in for 1/2 an hour, and then sitting for 2 hours prepping for a roam that fails 15 minutes after starting because 1/2 the people had to leave to burp the baby or respond to a nagging wife... I'm amazed that anything ever actually gets off the ground... Why not just be in your own corp then? It costs bugger all.
Actually I wouldn't advise a solo corp unless you're an alt or trader. The conversation is dire. |
Six Six Six
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2013.05.17 03:07:00 -
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Christopher Caldaris wrote:Destiny Corrupted wrote:Christopher Caldaris wrote:If CCP decide to make NPC corps a war target so be it, either deal with it or unsubscribe, if CCP decide to make being in NPC corps even safer so be it, either deal with it or unsubscribe. I understand and respect your sentiment, but the problem with NPC corporations and safety isn't some kind of matter of principle in the sense that we pvpers simply shun that kind of play style; it's that the safety shrouds these peoples' ability to make copious amounts of money with an impenetrable barrier of NPC protection. That's simply not good for a game like EVE online. I understand, and there may not be an easy solution that everyone can agree on. Some people may have to make a choice, to continue playing, or to end their time in space. I will adapt to whatever comes at me, because I truly enjoy playing the game, floating among my rocky compatriots is a relaxing activity for me. If CCP decide to let people kill everyone in Hi-Sec, well then I guess I'll have to figure out how to mine and dodge at the same time.
PvPers keep wanting to reduce possible income generated in high-sec as I understand it (or at least that's part of it).
Problem I see with that is if you lower the rewards too low then those rewards become meaningless and people won't bother with them.
There's also a lot of people in high-sec that don't make copious amounts of money, which would more than likely cause problems for them if rewards were cut.
The funny thing is the ones you set out to hurt will more than likely be the ones least effected (ok, maybe hurt is not the right word, but it's late here).
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Six Six Six
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2013.05.17 14:42:00 -
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Rek Seven wrote:Six Six Six wrote:Rek Seven wrote:Zero. NPC corps should never be able to be wardeced, they should be a place for beginners to get accustomed to the game. However, there should be a character age limit in all NPC corps. Then what? Start your own corp, get bored and leave. Or join a poorly run player corp, get bored and leave. Or you might find a good corp and actually stay. There is no reason to be forced into a player corp. I've said this many times and I'll say it again, you can't force people to do what they don't want to do (especially in a game). Maybe one day that will sink in to those who try to do exactly that. At least then it would save me from having to say it anymore. I think the pros outweigh the cons. What is so exciting about NPC corps? The fact that you have no investment in the corporation and on real connection to the members? Why does and MMO need that kind of players anyway? ... yeah, yeah i know: "because sandox!" 
Nothing is exciting about an NPC corp, but then I've not always been in NPC corps. Finding a good corp is not an easy process though, although it's easy to find a bad one.
Solo players will mainly stay in an NPC corp some will make their own corps, but that's their choice. Problem with some corps is you end up playing someone else's game and not the way you want to play. Which is another reason some people stay in NPC corps. Some stay there because they don't want to combat PvP others stay there because of RL time constraints and the feel because of that it's not worth getting involved with a player corps and some player corps can be demanding on your time. Of course others just park their alts there away from war-decs. There's various reasons why people stay in NPC corps, plus the chat can be better than a solo corp and even better than some player corps.
I've said this before, that I've never seen a game that mixes PvP and PvE players do it successfully.
The main reason for that is the PvE players try to stay out of the way of the PvP players and don't dictate how the PvP players should play the game. But PvP players will always try to dictate how PvE players should play (not all PvPers) because those PvEers make such easy targets. |
Six Six Six
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2013.05.17 19:52:00 -
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Sentamon wrote:CCP should add a lowsec and nullsec where people have wars.
That's not a bad idea |
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