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CCP Falcon 2684	Posted - 2013.05.16 15:22:00 - [1] - Quote Good afternoon Capsuleers! You will remember at the start of the year that we launched the True Stories of EVE website, intent on collecting the stories that you created over the first decade of EVE Online's history. Well, submissions closed on May 6th, and the voting has begun. CCP t0rfifrans is here with a new Dev Blog to explain the next step in the process, and you can read all about it here! CCP Falcon -á \|\| -á EVE Community Team -á \|\| -á EVE Illuminati -á \|\| -á Live Events Organizer @CCP_Falcon -á \|\| -á-á@EVE_LiveEvents

Rabbit P Ministry of War Amarr Empire 5	Posted - 2013.05.16 15:30:00 - [2] - Quote Vote! Capsuleers, Vote!
Roime Ten Thousand Years Shinjiketo 2848	Posted - 2013.05.16 15:30:00 - [3] - Quote Cool stuff, what about the drone fixes? -á- All I really wanted was to build a castle among the stars -
MeBiatch Republic University Minmatar Republic 1000	Posted - 2013.05.16 15:44:00 - [4] - Quote great so mittenz gets 10 years free eve and a trip to iceland... yay. Ok, so you've corrected my spelling,do you care to make a valid point? -áThere are no stupid Questions... just stupid people...
Tyrrax Thorrk Habitual Euthanasia Pandemic Legion 250	Posted - 2013.05.16 15:46:00 - [5] - Quote Thanks for letting us know we were wasting our time by voting with 3 chars per account, instead of you know actually giving out that information before voting started.. Also thanks for giving goons 240 free plex, good system you got there :P Maybe next time you could just use the votes to sift the stories a little bit and then have CSM or CCP judges choose the best ones, instead of just rewarding the ones Mittani asked his 40000 minions to upvote. :P
Zloco Crendraven BALKAN EXPRESS 337	Posted - 2013.05.16 15:59:00 - [6] - Quote Tyrrax Thorrk wrote: Thanks for letting us know we were wasting our time by voting with 3 chars per account, instead of you know actually giving out that information before voting started.. Also thanks for giving goons 240 free plex, good system you got there :P Maybe next time you could just use the votes to sift the stories a little bit and then have CSM or CCP judges choose the best ones, instead of just rewarding the ones Mittani asked his 40000 minions to upvote. :P Exactly! LF CSM8 candidate. Are you what lowsec needs? --->-átinyurl.com/afaawrb
EvilweaselSA GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 759	Posted - 2013.05.16 16:04:00 - [7] - Quote Tyrrax Thorrk wrote: Thanks for letting us know we were wasting our time by voting with 3 chars per account, instead of you know actually giving out that information before voting started.. Also thanks for giving goons 240 free plex, good system you got there :P Maybe next time you could just use the votes to sift the stories a little bit and then have CSM or CCP judges choose the best ones, instead of just rewarding the ones Mittani asked his 40000 minions to upvote. :P there was an extensive goonswarm-led screening system that filtered out the bad stories, it is not our fault everyone not xttz and mittens cannot write why, even some goon stories were thrown in the rubbish heap (they were bad)
Tyrrax Thorrk Habitual Euthanasia Pandemic Legion 252	Posted - 2013.05.16 16:16:00 - [8] - Quote EvilweaselSA wrote: there was an extensive goonswarm-led screening system that filtered out the bad stories, it is not our fault everyone not xttz and mittens cannot write why, even some goon stories were thrown in the rubbish heap (they were bad) They're both good stories to be fair, and I guess people should just be grateful goons didn't take all 5 prizes since they could very easily have done so. It's just kinda gay that mittani could've posted a story about him taking a dump and it would still have won the "contest".
EvilweaselSA GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 759	Posted - 2013.05.16 16:19:00 - [9] - Quote I dunno, the stories basically describe two of the key events that make goonswarm still an organization with lots of votes, it is oddly appropriate they benefit from it. Without bob being disbanded and without suas and xttz blocking the BoB invasion in 9-9, goonswarm wouldn't be where it is today. too bad we didn't submit story #3 "you mean you need to pay bills every month?" that lead to current goonswarm
MeBiatch Republic University Minmatar Republic 1000	Posted - 2013.05.16 16:22:00 - [10] - Quote the prizes should be a cameo on the tv show... that would be cool... Ok, so you've corrected my spelling,do you care to make a valid point? -áThere are no stupid Questions... just stupid people...


CCP t0rfifrans C C P C C P Alliance 711	Posted - 2013.05.16 16:25:00 - [11] - Quote Tyrrax Thorrk wrote: Thanks for letting us know we were wasting our time by voting with 3 chars per account, instead of you know actually giving out that information before voting started.. It's unfortunate that we didn't state the fact that there is only one vote per account rather than character, but in retrospect we consider that more fair and to make more sense, than expecting everyone to go in and vote with all three characters on the stories they like.

Tyrrax Thorrk Habitual Euthanasia Pandemic Legion 252	Posted - 2013.05.16 16:44:00 - [12] - Quote CCP t0rfifrans wrote: Tyrrax Thorrk wrote: Thanks for letting us know we were wasting our time by voting with 3 chars per account, instead of you know actually giving out that information before voting started.. It's unfortunate that we didn't state the fact that there is only one vote per account rather than character, but in retrospect we consider that more fair and to make more sense, than expecting everyone to go in and vote with all three characters on the stories they like. You making this change in the rules is also pretty bullshit since now we have no way of knowing how many upvotes we actually have. (this actually matters) So no it is not more fair (especially since some people already put in the work of voting multiple times on multiple accounts). It does not make sense at all to make this change when voting has already been going on for a week. Maybe CCP messed up by not having it 1 vote per account from start, but changing it now makes the fuckup worse, not better.
Kadl Imperial Academy Amarr Empire 42	Posted - 2013.05.16 16:51:00 - [13] - Quote What a prize! I assume that the standard payment for votes is allowed?
Grumpy Sloan Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire 0	Posted - 2013.05.16 18:29:00 - [14] - Quote 10yrs worth of PLEX? i cant think of what is wrong with that but it doesn't FEEL fine. i just dont know why. hmmmmm...
Katrina Oniseki Revenent Defence Corperation Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive 1582	Posted - 2013.05.16 19:05:00 - [15] - Quote Mittens is a good writer, even if the story is horribly biased. It's not like it really matters if it's biased anyways. I still think somebody who hasn't been to Iceland 20 times already and doesn't already play EVE for free could have been a better recipient of the grand prize. It just seems like a waste. Ch+½j+ì Katrina Oniseki ~ (RDC) Chief Operations Officer ~ [I-RED] Sub-Director of Public Relations
Marlona Sky D00M. Northern Coalition. 3704	Posted - 2013.05.16 20:33:00 - [16] - Quote I hope CCP actually picks stories that are good instead of going off the blind voting process. Flight of a Thousand Rifters III ---- Vengeance ---- Player Event coming May 5th 2013
Dalilus Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation 39	Posted - 2013.05.16 20:52:00 - [17] - Quote let me guess.......a null or w bear is going to win?
Andski GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 7867	Posted - 2013.05.16 21:06:00 - [18] - Quote EvilweaselSA wrote: too bad we didn't submit story #3 "you mean you need to pay bills every month?" that lead to current goonswarm shame, that would've been another 12 plex mine quotes from my posts at your peril, badposters TheMittani.com: The premier source for news, commentary and discussion of EVE Online and other games of interest.
vilya novacat McKenna Shipyards Goonswarm Federation 0	Posted - 2013.05.16 21:24:00 - [19] - Quote In This Thread: tens of thousands of Disorganized People complaining they can't out vote thousands of Organized People.
Seditiar GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 33	Posted - 2013.05.16 21:24:00 - [20] - Quote Dalilus wrote: let me guess.......a null or w bear is going to win? Sorry, but there's just not anything interesting to do in Highsec. Except to burn Jita.

Bolow Santosi GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 83	Posted - 2013.05.16 21:28:00 - [21] - Quote Honestly I like xttz's story far more than The Mittani's. It really puts an emphasis on the whole butterfly effect thing EVE has going for it rather than some meta-gaming stuff.
Eezee Gonozal GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 34	Posted - 2013.05.16 21:35:00 - [22] - Quote Bolow Santosi wrote: Honestly I like xttz's story far more than The Mittani's. It really puts an emphasis on the whole butterfly effect thing EVE has going for it rather than some meta-gaming stuff. I doubt Mittani wants to go to Iceland anyway, so if he wins maybe that 'honor' can go to the second place.
EvilweaselSA GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 763	Posted - 2013.05.16 21:36:00 - [23] - Quote Bolow Santosi wrote: Honestly I like xttz's story far more than The Mittani's. It really puts an emphasis on the whole butterfly effect thing EVE has going for it rather than some meta-gaming stuff. mittani's story is weaker than it should be because to fit into the short word requirement, most of the detail has to be cut out
Father Snuggles GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 160	Posted - 2013.05.16 21:41:00 - [24] - Quote Tyrrax Thorrk wrote: You making this change in the rules is also pretty bullshit since now we have no way of knowing how many upvotes we actually have. (this actually matters) I find your use of profanity to be quite uncalled for, very much unlike your assertion that the point you submitted actually matters. (because it actually matters) We should have instead just submitted 15 pages of me writing about driving 2200km to sit in a hot tub with 6 other dudes stoned out of their mind. Because it actually matters to goonswarm. And Eve. (Because I am reaffirming the aforementioned statement...IN PARENTHESES)
Sentinel Eeex Thunderwaffe Goonswarm Federation 88	Posted - 2013.05.16 21:42:00 - [25] - Quote Marlona Sky wrote: I hope CCP actually picks stories that are good instead of going off the blind voting process. I hope not.
Stirko Hek SUNDERING Goonswarm Federation 43	Posted - 2013.05.16 21:54:00 - [26] - Quote Tyrrax Thorrk wrote: Thanks for letting us know we were wasting our time by voting with 3 chars per account, instead of you know actually giving out that information before voting started.. Also thanks for giving goons 240 free plex, good system you got there :P Maybe next time you could just use the votes to sift the stories a little bit and then have CSM or CCP judges choose the best ones, instead of just rewarding the ones Mittani asked his 40000 minions to upvote. :P Not a little bitter your story didn't win first place? You'd make lemons look sweet right about now.
MeBiatch Republic University Minmatar Republic 1004	Posted - 2013.05.16 22:14:00 - [27] - Quote Marlona Sky wrote: I hope CCP actually picks stories that are good instead of going off the blind voting process. indeed like how i fail jumped into l4x and started the war between frege and roadkill/smash allaince. Ok, so you've corrected my spelling,do you care to make a valid point? -áThere are no stupid Questions... just stupid people...
MeBiatch Republic University Minmatar Republic 1004	Posted - 2013.05.16 22:16:00 - [28] - Quote EvilweaselSA wrote: Bolow Santosi wrote: Honestly I like xttz's story far more than The Mittani's. It really puts an emphasis on the whole butterfly effect thing EVE has going for it rather than some meta-gaming stuff. mittani's story is weaker than it should be because to fit into the short word requirement, most of the detail has to be cut out honestly sir molle should have written the great war story... Ok, so you've corrected my spelling,do you care to make a valid point? -áThere are no stupid Questions... just stupid people...
EvilweaselSA GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 763	Posted - 2013.05.16 22:26:00 - [29] - Quote MeBiatch wrote: honestly sir molle should have written the great war story... losers write self-pitying apologies and excuses for their failures, not history
Traidir Hedion University Amarr Empire 64	Posted - 2013.05.16 23:23:00 - [30] - Quote History is written by those who can get the most people to agree upon what ought to have happened.... sounds about right. As far as encouraging meaningful, well written submissions though: victory by vote was probably not the best way to go.

Traidir Hedion University Amarr Empire 64	Posted - 2013.05.16 23:33:00 - [31] - Quote Tyrrax Thorrk wrote: Thanks for letting us know we were wasting our time by voting with 3 chars per account, instead of you know actually giving out that information before voting started.. It was written specifically in the Truestories Eula. Available from day one for reading.
Tyrrax Thorrk Habitual Euthanasia Pandemic Legion 258	Posted - 2013.05.17 00:07:00 - [32] - Quote nevermind
bigbillthaboss3 Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation 24	Posted - 2013.05.17 01:46:00 - [33] - Quote Tyrrax Thorrk wrote: System allowed you to vote 3 times per account.... (Honestly who actually reads those ?) Would you prefer Goons AND their alts to vote as well? I'm sure it wouldn't be so skewed then right?
Tyrrax Thorrk Habitual Euthanasia Pandemic Legion 260	Posted - 2013.05.17 02:02:00 - [34] - Quote bigbillthaboss3 wrote: Tyrrax Thorrk wrote: System allowed you to vote 3 times per account.... (Honestly who actually reads those ?) Would you prefer Goons AND their alts to vote as well? I'm sure it wouldn't be so skewed then right? I'm sure at least some of you already were doing so
MeBiatch Republic University Minmatar Republic 1006	Posted - 2013.05.17 02:26:00 - [35] - Quote EvilweaselSA wrote: MeBiatch wrote: honestly sir molle should have written the great war story... losers write self-pitying apologies and excuses for their failures, not history Competing perspectives are always nice... And remember bob was holding its own till that player clicked a button. You guys killed kenny not bob. Just like solodrakeban led to you loosing delve and buying tcf space. Ok, so you've corrected my spelling,do you care to make a valid point? -áThere are no stupid Questions... just stupid people...
EvilweaselSA GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 767	Posted - 2013.05.17 02:58:00 - [36] - Quote MeBiatch wrote: Competing perspectives are always nice... And remember bob was holding its own till that player clicked a button. You guys killed kenny not bob. Just like solodrakeban led to you loosing delve and buying tcf space. bob had a director-level spy in goonswarm. they used him to turn off a single system's sov, burning him in the process. we used ours...more effectively
Lallante Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic 340	Posted - 2013.05.17 09:27:00 - [37] - Quote I didn't post this in time, but for those interested, here is the lesser known story I would have submitted: EXORCISING GHOSTS Introduction The Ghosts of Retribution (GHOST) alliance were not the biggest player in Eve's complex nullsec meta in 2005/2006, nor were they the best equipped or most highly skilled, but in the knife-edge foreverwar between the English speaking players of the Lotka Volterra alliance and the Russian speaking Red Alliance, an additional thousand player meat shield with US timezone coverage joining the RA side had the potential to fundementally alter the outcome of one of New Eden's most persistant conflicts. History Lotka Volterra was made up of corporations who had a long history together, many of which having been part of the earlier -5- and Curse Alliances, which between them had held the largest chunk the south east of nullsec fairly continuously since 2003. Red Alliance, similarly, had evolved from Eve's first and foremost Russian corporation, RUS, who had themselves run Curse Alliance's Russian wing. Old friends make the best enemies. -5-, and following its demise, LV, had been at war with RA for each entities' entire existance. The war and ownership of the rich south-east nullsec regions had swung back and forth several times but at that time in late 2005, hung precariously in the balance, with RA slowly ceding stations but making LV bleed every step of the way. I see a GHOST In November 2005, LV leadership heard a rumour that a new alliance, the aforementioned GHOST, was to join the fray on the Russian side. In the POS-linked sovereignty world, the timezone benefits their 1000 strong US contingent would convey against the largely European LV were alarming - missing a single set of coordinated timers could lose a system and ultimately a region or even a war. I ran LV's intelligence wing, a small group of dedicated players who ran deep cover spies long before they became a mainstay of inter-alliance warfare. Kugutsumen and Mittani were yet to emerge into the meta and forum infiltration was rarely if ever experienced and even more rarely publicised. Our team was, therefore, something of an anomaly. It was decided to focus 100% of our team's time and resources on cracking GHOST before their presence could change the outcome of the war. One of our deep cover operatives, who had previously been loitering in lowsec PvP corps to establish a credible corp history, quickly managed to secure a position within the corporation of the Alliance dictator, Lord Wimbishi. From there, we initiated a two pronged attack designed to hamstring GHOST before it could even set up in RA's space. GHOST had limited freighter pilots (in common with many alliances in those early days of the game), and no carriers (which were introduced a couple of months later). In those days, the only way to move large quantities of ships and material was huge, alliance wide freighter ops where dozens of freighters were escorted by a large fleet through 20+ jump routes into nullsec over the course of several hours. We knew GHOST would need one or more of these operations to set up shop in RA's only remaining uncontested region, Cache. Our mission became clear. With the forum access granted by our deep-cover operative we noted that Lord Wimbishi had announced to the forums the time, start system and date of GHOST's Alliance Freighter Op, given the name of his freighter alt but "for security", would not disclose the route they would take. GHOST expected to have an escort of a reasonable (for 2005/2006) 100 battleships and 50 support together with 15 freighters full of mainly expensive tech 2 equipment. The Hammer The first "prong" of our plan involved sabotage. I created a new Eve character named very similarly to Lord Wimbishi's alt, one of GHOST's few freighter pilots. From there I spent the day before the operation waiting for a large number of different GHOST member corporation CEOs and directors to be online, but Lord Wimbishi (and alt) to be offline. Then I struck. Convoing every director and CEO character simultaneously, I imitated Lord Wimbishi's verbose and archaic style of speech to persuade them that all corporation and personal assets to be shipped to Cache should be traded to me for distribution among the freighters. Linking to Lord Wimbishi's own forum post to lend credibility, I very quickly had the full corp hangars of three different corporations traded to my day old noob corporation alt before anyone thought to show info and raise the alarm. (part 2 follows)
Lallante Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic 340	Posted - 2013.05.17 09:28:00 - [38] - Quote (part 2) The Anvil The second "prong" was more dramatic. Our team poured over the information we had gleaned from GHOST forums and quickly determined there were only two real routes possible that the convey could take through null to RA's space. We gambled that they would pick the slightly shorter route, which also ran slightly further from the "dangerous" space we frequently contested in Wicked Creek. Armed with this information, we call a huge LV fleet operation two hours before the time the GHOST freighter op was due to begin. We had selected a dead end system just off the expected route of the convoy, and moved the fleet there without explaining our plan. We had 50 tacklers log off on the expected in-gate in the convoy route system and sat the fleet on the ingate next door. The tacklers were to wait at their login screens for the signal, to be given by the deep cover spy who had joined GHOST ventrillo server. The trap was set. GHOST were slow to reach the system, but we were assured after a few jumps that they had taken the route we predicted. With the spy reporting their every move, as their freighters jumped to the target system our tackle logged on and battleships jumped in and warped to range. What followed was a turkey shoot. When the dust cleared 12 of 15 freighters had been destroyed along with the best part of 50 battleships and countless support, for minimal losses. Some allied freighters quickly turned up to scoop the tech 2 loot, which amounted to a small fortune. Immediate Aftermath GHOST, decimated, lasted approximately a month beyond that initial devestation before suing for peace to evacuate their remaining possessions. To do so, they paid a large fee to the LV and allies warchest, which we immediately leaked causing RA in typical bombastic unforgiving style to set them to -10 and further alienate any other potential allies they might have had. I was especially tickled to sell the contents of the three corphangers that I had scammed back to their original owners. Friendless and demotivated, RA crumbled. Within 6 months, LV had taken the last of RA's space in Cache. RA was reduced, for the first time in its history, to zero stations and LV celebrated in style. Epilogue While LV was momentarily victorious, we had underestimated the Russians to our cost. The events of the next 12 months are famous in their own right - RA, resurgent, in spring 2006 retook overnight their spiritual home station of C-J and held it against punishing waves of assault for several weeks, before counterattacking and retaking Innsmother. With new ally Goonswarm's help RA went on to crush LV's allys in Wicked Creek, Scalding Pass and Detorid, and eventually LV itself.
Jowen Datloran Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 472	Posted - 2013.05.17 10:11:00 - [39] - Quote Bolow Santosi wrote: Honestly I like xttz's story far more than The Mittani's. It really puts an emphasis on the whole butterfly effect thing EVE has going for it rather than some meta-gaming stuff. True. I prefer the story about dedication and effort spiced with tactics and victory in the end. A story about a bittervet that decides to screw his former e-buddies with a little effort is hardly touching. Though, the story about how one got into the position where he could do what he did, would be interesting. Mr. Science & Trade Institute, EVE Online Lorebook-á
Akrasjel Lanate Naquatech Conglomerate 1137	Posted - 2013.05.17 12:05:00 - [40] - Quote Some of the aboce stuff. But also this: Quote: Vote for truth GÇô Vote for justice! Bad name for this blog and stuff. The idea about doing the stories thing was the good idea... but the way how you select the "best" one not really.

xttz GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 81	Posted - 2013.05.17 12:35:00 - [41] - Quote MeBiatch wrote: EvilweaselSA wrote: MeBiatch wrote: honestly sir molle should have written the great war story... losers write self-pitying apologies and excuses for their failures, not history Competing perspectives are always nice... And remember bob was holding its own till that player clicked a button. You guys killed kenny not bob. Just like solodrakeban led to you loosing delve and buying tcf space. By the time Haargoth showed up, Bob were already running out of steam. They were being solidly stonewalled after losing a few dozen caps to a sniper dread hotdrop in Detorid, followed by a nasty POS grind in the DG- constellation where we often outnumbered them with the help of PL and old-NC titans. We had retaken everything they had POS-spammed but hadn't yet been able to evict them from their NPC staging system. The far south was another matter however. At the time we owned a pretty huge swathe of the map from Scalding Pass around to Paragon Soul. While we focused on stopping Bob in Detorid, our far south was under constant pressure from Russians including Stain Empire, -A- and ROL. Once a director spy dropped our sov in R2TJ we lost a vital jumpbridge link and couldn't properly defend the moon-rich Esoteria area. That space was gradually being eroded by downtime sieging, kiting and POS spam. If the war had continued on that course, the most likely scenario I see would have been GoonSwarm surviving with a much smaller domain. We would have ceded any territory west of Tenerifis/Omist to the Russians and continued making life miserable for BoB until they gave up and returned to Delve. As for how history would have progressed from there... I guess we'll never know.
Tommy Nash Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic 0	Posted - 2013.05.17 13:00:00 - [42] - Quote Vote for truth. Vote for justice?? Is a joke? Just check the results of the voting and laugh. Really predictable results.
Zaxix Long Jump. 90	Posted - 2013.05.17 15:47:00 - [43] - Quote As much as I'd like to vote on some stories, 76 pages of crap is way too much to read through. Surely someone could provide a search feature of some sort? *Frog Forever*
Hakaru Ishiwara Republic Military School Minmatar Republic 437	Posted - 2013.05.17 16:19:00 - [44] - Quote CCP's goon [soundwave] employees triumph again. Internal affairs involvement won't make a difference with the upcoming moon distribution work seeing as CCP's ethics are compromised to the core. +++++++ I have never shed a tear for a fellow EVE player until now. Mark GÇ£SeleeneGÇ¥ Heard's Blog Honoring Sean "Vile Rat" Smith.
Tyrrax Thorrk Habitual Euthanasia Pandemic Legion 261	Posted - 2013.05.17 16:54:00 - [45] - Quote Don't think Soundwave was involved, and I seriously doubt t0rfi frans or any of the story people at CCP have any particular bias towards goons.
Shadow Lord77 Shadow Industries I 286	Posted - 2013.05.17 18:21:00 - [46] - Quote CCP should have hand-picked the results themselves. It's no surprise the Goonswarm's own Mittani is/going to get the win. All they have to do is tell every alliance mate to vote for his story regardless of how good it is. Mittani writes a ton of buzzwords and everyone starts drooling. Ridiculous is the word that springs into my mind.
EvilweaselSA GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 777	Posted - 2013.05.17 18:47:00 - [47] - Quote yes the guy who wrote a story about one of the seminal events in eve history, who writes well enough that he started a reasonably successful gaming website and leads the most successful alliance in eve history winning the vote: this is an indication of cheating i demand more stories about the thrill-a-minute life of the highsec nobody
Tommy Nash Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic 2	Posted - 2013.05.17 19:25:00 - [48] - Quote I wont say "cheating", thats an ugly word. The correct word is nepotism. By the way a good story doesnt needs to be about "epic" events. Normally is not only what you tell, but how you tell it. Having a gaming website has nothing to do with story telling and to be honest a story where metagaming is involved destroys the immersion of the tale.
Tyrrax Thorrk Habitual Euthanasia Pandemic Legion 262	Posted - 2013.05.17 21:57:00 - [49] - Quote EvilweaselSA wrote: yes the guy who wrote a story about one of the seminal events in eve history, who writes well enough that he started a reasonably successful gaming website and leads the most successful alliance in eve history winning the vote: this is an indication of cheating i demand more stories about the thrill-a-minute life of the highsec nobody I don't think anyone suggested he cheated in any way. However his very success in EVE means what he actually wrote is mostly irrelevant since his upvotes come from his friends, and he's proven in the past he can get 10k votes if he wants to, which is 15x more votes than the most upvoted non-goon story. Not sure I'd agree GoonSwarm is the most successful alliance in eve history.. I do think it's been the best organized alliance for a few years now tho
Pon Teyuen InterSun Freelance Moon Warriors 1	Posted - 2013.05.17 22:28:00 - [50] - Quote Tommy Nash wrote: By the way a good story doesnt needs to be about "epic" events. Normally is not only what you tell, but how you tell it. Having a gaming website has nothing to do with story telling and to be honest a story where metagaming is involved destroys the immersion of the tale. I agree. But in fairness, Mittani's is by no means the only story whose narrative style is non-immersive. A majority of the submissions are written in a way that emphasizes the "I'm telling you about my experiences sitting at a computer playing a game". aspect versus a "real experience filtered through the eyes of a New Eden capsuleer". Although doubtless Alliance bloc voting etc. was a factor, this may simply be that such an immersive style is too "RP'ish" for a playerbase notoriously allergic to roleplaying (which I often attribute to the high number of engineer types that play EVE). Likewise, it may be the assumption that an epic/large event tale even if written like an AAR has potential that can be realized in adaptation -- seeing as even the best written entry will likely never make it into media with its original prose. Ironically, it will be the ultimate RP rewrite. I say this as an entrant who believes his slice of life pieces aren't epic ( but which I confess I think are well written) and believes smaller stories well told have a place, and has voted for others' stories some of whom are beautifully told. Yet I don't beieve that a the success of the winning stories is just about vote rigging. That's sour grapes. That said, I do feel determining "artistic merit" soley via vote, particularly in the political bloc and power center heavy world of EVE is a bit odd. I'm hoping if not prizes, some of CCP's creative teams and artistic collaborators will themselves look through the stories to mine them for source material as well.

Pon Teyuen InterSun Freelance Moon Warriors 1	Posted - 2013.05.17 22:39:00 - [51] - Quote I'm assuming CCP noticed this also, hence the devblog, but the super-concentration of votes to a few stories mostly involving organized power blocs and the few votes applied anywhere else indicate frankly that this project simply isn't interesting to the vast majority of EVE players -- this pattern is common in extremely low turnout "elections".
Indahmawar Fazmarai 1738	Posted - 2013.05.18 14:06:00 - [52] - Quote Houm, i may be doing something wrong... browsed the 4 first pages and didn't find any story that caught my eye to read nor had a high rating. Are they sorted randomly, maybe? Where are the best ones? The Greater Fool Bar-áis now open for business, 24/7. Come and have drinks and fun somewhere between RL and New Eden!-áIngame chat channel: The Greater Fool Bar
Pon Teyuen InterSun Freelance Moon Warriors 2	Posted - 2013.05.18 15:07:00 - [53] - Quote Zaxix wrote: As much as I'd like to vote on some stories, 76 pages of crap is way too much to read through. Surely someone could provide a search feature of some sort? Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote: Houm, i may be doing something wrong... browsed the 4 first pages and didn't find any story that caught my eye to read nor had a high rating. Are they sorted randomly, maybe? Where are the best ones? Yes. The header above the stories displayed on the home screen is Random Stories. It picks a random selection of 5(?) stories when you visit. It doesn't give you a new selection until you've at least looked through them. As far as a Search... (A) there is a search, its labeled search on the page. It lets you search by characters, corp, keywords etc. (B) the Tags section lets you see the top corps/alliances/characters and lets you filter by corp tag, alliance, character, solar system, region... (C) the Stories section lets you look at stories arranged randomly, or by most read, most voted, most discussed
Indahmawar Fazmarai 1739	Posted - 2013.05.18 15:50:00 - [54] - Quote Pon Teyuen wrote: Zaxix wrote: As much as I'd like to vote on some stories, 76 pages of crap is way too much to read through. Surely someone could provide a search feature of some sort? Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote: Houm, i may be doing something wrong... browsed the 4 first pages and didn't find any story that caught my eye to read nor had a high rating. Are they sorted randomly, maybe? Where are the best ones? Yes. The header above the stories displayed on the home screen is Random Stories. It picks a random selection of 5(?) stories when you visit. It doesn't give you a new selection until you've at least looked through them. As far as a Search... (A) there is a search, its labeled search on the page. It lets you search by characters, corp, keywords etc. (B) the Tags section lets you see the top corps/alliances/characters and lets you filter by corp tag, alliance, character, solar system, region... (C) the Stories section lets you look at stories arranged randomly, or by most read, most voted, most discussed Kudos! No surprise the usual suspects are getting all votes, but i've found some interesting stuff on top of that. The Greater Fool Bar-áis now open for business, 24/7. Come and have drinks and fun somewhere between RL and New Eden!-áIngame chat channel: The Greater Fool Bar

CCP Eterne C C P C C P Alliance 2473	Posted - 2013.05.18 18:29:00 - [55] - Quote I have removed some rumor mongering from this thread. New Eden Community Representative GÇ+ New Eden Illuminati GÇ+ Fiction Adept @CCP_Eterne GÇ+ @EVE_LiveEvents

EvilweaselSA GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 822	Posted - 2013.05.22 00:45:00 - [56] - Quote ~~justice won~~
Scatim Helicon GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 1890	Posted - 2013.05.22 06:29:00 - [57] - Quote Goon Justice. e: wait no that's something else entirely. Titans were never meant to be "cost effective", its a huge **.-á- CCP Oveur, 2006 ~If you want a picture of the future of WiS, imagine a spaceship, stamping on an avatar's face. Forever.
Alsyth 33	Posted - 2013.05.22 17:22:00 - [58] - Quote "At the end of the day, this isnGÇÖt about the trip to Iceland, or the decade of PLEX, or marveling at the stunning Icelandic nature." ... this is about giving 240 plexes and 2 trips to Iceland to a powerful alliance just because they have good numbers. The stories do not matter and every sensible person knows that. Mittani could have submitted a story with five words in it "I own you CCP lol", he would still have won. You makes yourself appear stupid with this one, CCP.
Jowen Datloran Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 480	Posted - 2013.05.22 17:29:00 - [59] - Quote Hey, the horrible handling of this event by CCP (face it, there never was a realistic chance that anybody but a Goon would win this "competition") will make a pretty good story in ten years. Mr. Science & Trade Institute, EVE Online Lorebook-á
EvilweaselSA GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 828	Posted - 2013.05.22 20:35:00 - [60] - Quote Alsyth wrote: "At the end of the day, this isnGÇÖt about the trip to Iceland, or the decade of PLEX, or marveling at the stunning Icelandic nature." ... this is about giving 240 plexes and 2 trips to Iceland to a powerful alliance just because they have good numbers. The stories do not matter and every sensible person knows that. Mittani could have submitted a story with five words in it "I own you CCP lol", he would still have won. You makes yourself appear stupid with this one, CCP. ~we'll never know cause we won with great stories fair and square~

Pon Teyuen InterSun Freelance Moon Warriors 5	Posted - 2013.05.23 13:07:00 - [61] - Quote I do have a question. Since my story isn't being actively used by CCP, is there a restriction for my using it -- such as on a non-income web project I am considering? I know that CCP reserves the right to use the materials/content in the future in anything they want by the terms of the contest. I guess I'm just wondering if that restricts my right to publish it online.

CCP t0rfifrans C C P C C P Alliance 712	Posted - 2013.05.27 15:06:00 - [62] - Quote Pon Teyuen wrote: I do have a question. Since my story isn't being actively used by CCP, is there a restriction for my using it -- such as on a non-income web project I am considering? I know that CCP reserves the right to use the materials/content in the future in anything they want by the terms of the contest. I guess I'm just wondering if that restricts my right to publish it online. Pon there is no restriction, especially if it's a non-income web project. Taking stories from the site and developing material from it for profit is however a licensing issue that requires license and such from CCP.

Wariamu Fidard Universal Integrity 5	Posted - 2013.05.27 17:35:00 - [63] - Quote I've decided to take a philosophical view on the format and outcome of the Eve True Stories site. Seems to me there's a mixing and matching of what constitutes "best" story. Sure, it might irk some people that "best" initially means most voted. But the more I think about it - most voted is undeniably a kind of "best" regardless of the motivations/political affiliations/general skullduggery that may have illicited the vote. CCP have not erred or handed a gift box - the capsuleers of New Eden have done that all of their own accord. As a genuine record of the type of issues, behaviour and events that have driven Eve over its first decade its a pretty darn good archive and genuinly reflective of the game on many levels. Still, there will be some (myself to a certain degree despite being philosophical about it!) who would have wanted "best" to mean most well written. Yet, CCP didn't advertise a writing contest or a fan fiction event. They advertised an "ideas" competition. They will be providing their own creative writers, storyboarders and artists to do the "best" writing as such. There's absolutely nothing to say that CCP or any of these creative professionals will be in any way drawn to the ideas that were most voted by the EVE players. They may reference them because overwhelming player voting interest is a kind of market research - but there is absolutely nothing to stop any of the story ideas submitted be taken up and used. It might be argued that that in itself is a kind of "prize" (not a trip to iceland or 10 yrs PLEX to be sure - but a reward of sorts if acknowledged). In the final analysis I'm happy - despite my own literary pretensions - that a best "ideas" contest as opposed to a "writing" contest gives opportunity for non-writers, bad writers and general scribblers of gibberish to express their experience of the game over the last decade. It opens up the possibility for young players (lets face it CCP & EVE, your 10yrs old and a good % of your player base is probably older than they'd care to admit!) to contribute to both the past archive and future history of this universe. I enjoyed the Eve True stories event and very much look forward to seeing the future material that will draw upon and expand it. my 2 cents, apologies for waffling on.


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