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Sentamon
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Posted - 2013.05.16 22:40:00 -
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Is SOV grind boring because nullblocks only attack far weaker opponents that don't defend their space? 
What if people actually attacked the powerful? Wouldn't null be fun again?
~ Professional Forum Alt -á~ |
Brooks Puuntai
Solar Nexus.
1446
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Posted - 2013.05.16 22:41:00 -
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Well SOV grind itself is boring no matter who it is.
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OfBalance
Caldari State
473
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Posted - 2013.05.16 22:42:00 -
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So you challenge those who claim that structure grinds are boring... to grind more structures? |
Felicity Love
STARKRAFT
Joint Venture Conglomerate
610
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Posted - 2013.05.16 22:43:00 -
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Sentamon wrote:Is SOV grind boring because nullblocks only attack far weaker opponents that don't defend their space? What if people actually attacked the powerful? Wouldn't null be fun again?
Pretty sure it's like war decs in Empire... pilots actually have to undock first. Who knew ? 
Proud Beta Tester for "Bumping Uglies for Dummies" |
Abrazzar
Vardaugas Family
1751
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Posted - 2013.05.16 22:45:00 -
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If sovgrind is too boring maybe my new system will spice it up a bit. Check my signature.
Sovereignty and Population
New Mining Mechanics |
Andski
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2013.05.16 23:00:00 -
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why do you whine about things that happen or don't happen in space that in your words is irrelevant and does not matter for the rest of eve
mine quotes from my posts at your peril, badposters
TheMittani.com: The premier source for news, commentary and discussion of EVE Online and other games of interest. |
EI Digin
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
636
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Posted - 2013.05.16 23:06:00 -
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If you think that warfare in 0.0 is so entertaining why don't you step up and start up your own little coalition and do it yourself instead of depending on other people for content? |
Implying Implications
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
355
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Posted - 2013.05.16 23:09:00 -
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Come and fight us with the rest of your buddies in your npc corp.
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Sentamon
932
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Posted - 2013.05.16 23:09:00 -
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OfBalance wrote:So you challenge those who claim that structure grinds are boring... to grind more structures?
You misunderstand.
When you attack someone powerful, grinding structures is the last thing you'll be doing.
~ Professional Forum Alt -á~ |
Andski
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
7875
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Posted - 2013.05.16 23:31:00 -
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Sentamon wrote:OfBalance wrote:So you challenge those who claim that structure grinds are boring... to grind more structures? You misunderstand. When you attack someone powerful, grinding structures is the last thing you'll be doing.
continue to enlighten us on the nuances of 0.0 warfare that, unlike you, we clearly have no experience with
mine quotes from my posts at your peril, badposters
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floating in space
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
12
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Posted - 2013.05.16 23:33:00 -
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People in 0.0 grind sov so that the alpha nerd in their social group will get more space $ They find this to be the purest form of pleasure and can never be boring. |
Akali Kuvakei
Eclipse Navy.
Test Alliance Please Ignore
19
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Posted - 2013.05.16 23:35:00 -
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Wait waaaa? If this is true we are going to lose our space. Ohhhh nooo! I think I'll get on the phone and call PL and GSF to come halp us. Ohhhh wait they are already grinding our space. Ohhh well back to high sec I guess. |
Sentamon
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Posted - 2013.05.16 23:44:00 -
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Andski wrote:we clearly have no experience with
admitting it is the first step to solving your problem
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Mallak Azaria
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
2892
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Posted - 2013.05.17 02:16:00 -
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Hey look guys, the person who has been in Imperial Academy for 9 years is telling us how things work.
The guy who was sitting next to me in the first nullsec round table who had obviously not had a shower since before boarding his flight to Iceland, you really stank. You know who you are. |
Frostys Virpio
Lame Corp Name
395
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Posted - 2013.05.17 03:20:00 -
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Mallak Azaria wrote:Hey look guys, the person who has been in Imperial Academy for 9 years is telling us how things work.
Well maybe you do learn things in an academy... |
Mallak Azaria
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
2892
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Posted - 2013.05.17 03:33:00 -
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Frostys Virpio wrote:Mallak Azaria wrote:Hey look guys, the person who has been in Imperial Academy for 9 years is telling us how things work. Well maybe you do learn things in an academy...
Yeah not really.
The guy who was sitting next to me in the first nullsec round table who had obviously not had a shower since before boarding his flight to Iceland, you really stank. You know who you are. |
Sir Marksalot
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
462
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Posted - 2013.05.17 03:40:00 -
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You know what sounds really fun right now? Driving a fleet up to a structure, then pressing F1.
Then pressing F1 again every few minutes as the guns reload.
Maybe we can do it again somewhere else after we're done.
e: And lets keep doing it every night for at least 6 months. |
Speedkermit Damo
Callide Vulpis
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
66
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Posted - 2013.05.17 09:43:00 -
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Andski wrote:why do you whine about things that happen or don't happen in space that in your words is irrelevant and does not matter for the rest of eve
He isn't whining, learn to read.
Don't Panic.
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March rabbit
epTa Team Inc.
680
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Posted - 2013.05.17 10:31:00 -
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Mallak Azaria wrote:Hey look guys, the person who has been in Imperial Academy for 9 years is telling us how things work.
maybe finally you will learn something?  |
Super spikinator
Hegemonous Conscripts
Hegemonous Pandorum
170
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Posted - 2013.05.17 10:39:00 -
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Akali Kuvakei wrote:Wait waaaa? If this is true we are going to lose our space. Ohhhh nooo! I think I'll get on the phone and call PL and GSF to come halp us. Ohhhh wait they are already grinding our space. Ohhh well back to high sec I guess.
Your alliance lives in Delve. It is inevitable. |
Spurty
V0LTA
Verge of Collapse
855
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Posted - 2013.05.17 10:47:00 -
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Meh sov should only be attained and maintained by being the controlling influence in those constellations / regions via healthy use I the space. Stop using it (no one milking the cows and tending the farmland), its reclaimed by nature.
None if this "I planted my nations flag in it, do its now mine" brain and ball busting nonsense.
- ratting must happen ever hour
- all moons (there are a few too many duff ones) need a purpose and people managing them via active towers (managing these needs people living in tower)
- anoms must be treated much like incursions
- mining of roids to keep them from smashing into towers and outposts
Basically, just being the controlling power via actions rather than planting structures and grinding structures should be how it's done. Want a better harvest of the space? Pay a sov bill and get to grow better crops (build supers or mine better quality rocks).
Soon see a sov map that is real and not completely faked / bluff of empty unused space we are used to.
Good luck with your jump bridge networks when you only use 5 ~ 10 systems per region. No one should be spinning in stations when part of an alliance if space holding people.
Just too easy and boring to allow that to continue.
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Inxentas Ultramar
Ultramar Independent Contracting
Home Front Coalition
462
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Posted - 2013.05.17 11:38:00 -
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If structure grind wasn't a bad thing we wouldn't be calling it structure grind. |
Dyphorus
Volition Cult
The Volition Cult
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Posted - 2013.05.17 12:09:00 -
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SOV grind is boring because shooting structures is boring. |
Danni stark
295
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Posted - 2013.05.17 12:12:00 -
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i go out for half an hour, and come back and see another one of these threads?
**** me guys, the horse is dead, half eaten by crows, and sunk in to the mud. stop flogging it.
Ice Mining Skill Plan. |
Abrazzar
Vardaugas Family
1759
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Posted - 2013.05.17 12:15:00 -
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Danni stark wrote:i go out for half an hour, and come back and see another one of these threads?
**** me guys, the horse is dead, half eaten by crows, and sunk in to the mud. stop flogging it.
Yeah, someone get a new horse, so we beat another one dead. Maybe if we get through enough horses PETA will start campaigning against CCP and we get both some laughs and a change of the sov system.
Sovereignty and Population
New Mining Mechanics |
Bimbi Norris
Advatech
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Posted - 2013.05.17 12:22:00 -
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Cool story...needs more turtles! |
Tinu Moorhsum
Random Events
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Posted - 2013.05.17 12:29:00 -
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Brooks Puuntai wrote:Well SOV grind itself is boring no matter who it is.
Dunno about that. Some guys I know went out a couple of weeks ago and literally reinforced every 401k structure in Venal in a couple of hours.
There was a party atmosphere on comms, there was a live TV feed so interested players who are not in 0.0 can see how stuff like this is done... (and of course we could watch ourselves on TV, which is probably clinically narcissistic)
and, oh yeah, there were 1300 of us including over 300 big things that move slow.
I sometimes tihnk that people don't really GET how big 0.0 alliances operate. The DRF did the same thing a couple of years ago when they attacked in Tribute. At their peak they could literally reinforce an entire region... all the towers, all the stations... everything. in a scope of one operation.
Grinding the structures isn't the slow part of it....at ALL... not when you work on a nullsec scale. It's the fact that actually *taking* a system means the enemy comes and fights and sometimes will keep fighting right down to the last stealth bomber. It means you're fighting over and over again to gain every inch.
OMG... that started sounding like how wars work....
see where I'm going? The SOV mechanics in themselves are fine. Working as intended. The part that gets demotivating is that you can't just steamroll through a region on a tidal wave of instant gratification, which is what a lot of EVE players seem to expect.
That said, I think SOV mechanics can be improved to add content to the game but I"m not unhappy at ALL with how they work. Some of you should have been around in the old days when SOV grinding really DID suck.
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Frostys Virpio
Lame Corp Name
396
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Posted - 2013.05.17 12:52:00 -
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Super spikinator wrote:Akali Kuvakei wrote:Wait waaaa? If this is true we are going to lose our space. Ohhhh nooo! I think I'll get on the phone and call PL and GSF to come halp us. Ohhhh wait they are already grinding our space. Ohhh well back to high sec I guess. Your alliance lives in Delve. It is inevitable.
I read somewhere that GSF setup TEST in delve so they would not have to re-invade every years. |
Danni stark
295
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Posted - 2013.05.17 12:58:00 -
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Frostys Virpio wrote:Super spikinator wrote:Akali Kuvakei wrote:Wait waaaa? If this is true we are going to lose our space. Ohhhh nooo! I think I'll get on the phone and call PL and GSF to come halp us. Ohhhh wait they are already grinding our space. Ohhh well back to high sec I guess. Your alliance lives in Delve. It is inevitable. I read somewhere that GSF setup TEST in delve so they would not have to re-invade every years.
is that rustling sound i hear the sound of tinfoil folded in to the shape of a hat?
Ice Mining Skill Plan. |
Brooks Puuntai
Solar Nexus.
1453
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Posted - 2013.05.17 13:00:00 -
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Tinu Moorhsum wrote:Brooks Puuntai wrote:Well SOV grind itself is boring no matter who it is. Dunno about that. Some guys I know went out a couple of weeks ago and literally reinforced every 401k structure in Venal in a couple of hours. There was a party atmosphere on comms, there was a live TV feed so interested players who are not in 0.0 can see how stuff like this is done... (and of course we could watch ourselves on TV, which is probably clinically narcissistic) and, oh yeah, there were 1300 of us including over 300 big things that move slow. I sometimes tihnk that people don't really GET how big 0.0 alliances operate. The DRF did the same thing a couple of years ago when they attacked in Tribute. At their peak they could literally reinforce an entire region... all the towers, all the stations... everything. in a scope of one operation. Grinding the structures isn't the slow part of it....at ALL... not when you work on a nullsec scale. It's the fact that actually *taking* a system means the enemy comes and fights and sometimes will keep fighting right down to the last stealth bomber. It means you're fighting over and over again to gain every inch. OMG... that started sounding like how wars work.... see where I'm going? The SOV mechanics in themselves are fine. Working as intended. The part that gets demotivating is that you can't just steamroll through a region on a tidal wave of instant gratification, which is what a lot of EVE players seem to expect. That said, I think SOV mechanics can be improved to add content to the game but I"m not unhappy at ALL with how they work. Some of you should have been around in the old days when SOV grinding really DID suck.
You mean back in the day, when DRF jammed the systems with 1000 supers to where the only counter was 1200 supers? Yeah that was a blast. The SOV mechanics of massive HP grinds and multi-timer RF, created the "big alliance" mentally of numbers over everything. That is what made Sov grind ****.
After dealing with both systems, POS grinding for Sov at least allowed some tactics and room for error on the defender. Now its just wait out the final RF timer and hope you get the numbers(and have the supers).
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