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Aethion Mirra
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
57
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Posted - 2013.05.19 16:03:00 -
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As part of the 10 year anniversary events of PIE Inc I will be holding a speech tonight.
All Amarrian loyalists and sympathizers have my warm welcome to attend.
Topic: Resurgence and Peace Date: 19/5 -13 (today) Time: 20:00 Place: Amarr, Emperor Family station
There will be free copies of Pax Amarria. Aethion Mirra Commander and Recruitment Officer,-áPIE Inc.
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Cipher7
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
48
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Posted - 2013.05.19 16:12:00 -
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Hope you choke on the wine. |

Aethion Mirra
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
57
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Posted - 2013.05.19 16:41:00 -
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Cipher7 wrote:Hope you choke on the wine.
Rude and non-creative comments only points out flaws of yourself.
This is a peaceful and civilized event, and I hope that it will be treated as such.
Any further non-productive comments by heathens or heretics will be ignored. Aethion Mirra Commander and Recruitment Officer,-áPIE Inc.
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Denak Calamari
Ozark Cartel White Mountain Coalition
38
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Posted - 2013.05.19 17:00:00 -
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Does making PIE pie count as unproductive? Immortality is overrated. |

Karmilla Strife
Utopian Research I.E.L.
74
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Posted - 2013.05.19 20:38:00 -
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Great party! Thanks for all the crash! |

Aethion Mirra
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
59
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Posted - 2013.05.19 22:36:00 -
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The speech for those who missed it:
"My brothers and sisters of Amarr GÇô Imperial loyalists and sympathizers, faithful citizens and converts alike, I greet you. My name is Aethion Mirra, and I am a Commander of the Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris Incorporated, or PIE Inc. We are the oldest imperial loyalist capsuleer corporation, and I come here today to hold a speech as part of the celebratory events of PIEGÇÖs 10th anniversary.
The deceased Amarr Emperor Heideran VII, may he rest in Peace, had a dream and he had hope. He dreamt about New Eden with Peace throughout the galaxy. During his days in this world he bestowed upon us an unmatched harmony between the empires. This was a result of his unwavering belief that one day we all should live in peace and harmony. The way to Peace is a long one GÇô it can almost seem like a dream. And yes GÇô it is a dream; a beautiful dream. But Heideran VII was not only a dreamer, he was an idealist. His efforts were reach a state which some people would call utopia, but for the Emperor this dream was a future reality.
One year ago I joined PIE. It was battered and weary by years upon years of constant war against the Shakorites. It was still proud, still upheld its ethos, ethics and beliefs. Its flame had withstood countless attempts of extinguishing, and was burning low after many hardships, though it had never wavered.
I will, of course, not compare myself to the late Amarr Emperor, but like Heideran VII I too am a dreamer. And, like him, I am an ideologist; because it was then, that time a year ago that I made a decision. The decision to rekindle the flame of PIE and to bring resurgence to the Praetoria. Because I believed that PIE held the key for Peace to a peaceful future for all of us. It could, once again, become essential tool for leading the capsuleers into Reclaiming the known universe. And there can only be one way to Peace; for the empires to unite under the one true light GÇô the one true God.
One year later I stand here along with a greatly increased number of my brothers and sisters of the Praetoria, some new and some old, and I am proud. I am proud to say that I am Amarrian. I am proud to say that these are my comrades - that they are my friends, that they are my sisters and brothers. I have used the knowledge invested in me by my true Amarrian betters in service to the throne. I was employed in the department for human resources in my youth, and using the methodology I learned there - I have catalyzed the resurgence for PIE by rallying honorable people to unite under one common banner. Faithful Amarrians that believe in camaraderie and loyalty to the Throne.
Even as I speak GÇô the crusaders of the 24th crusade fight victoriously in the Bleak Lands and shatter the defenses of the Shakorites. They lead the Resurgence of the Amarr militia, which will bring an end to this conflict once and for all. The glorious flame of GodGÇÖs chosen warriors will lead us all to Peace.
As God decreed, the Amarr shall rule the galaxy. We will have Peace. Peace GÇô Forever. Semper Pax!"
Some pictures from the event: http://i.imgur.com/eMeXARY.jpg http://img832.imageshack.us/img832/9085/20130519200559.png http://img11.imageshack.us/img11/7843/20130519201622.png Aethion Mirra Commander and Recruitment Officer,-áPIE Inc.
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Anabella Rella
Gradient Electus Matari
748
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Posted - 2013.05.20 04:30:00 -
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This kind of tripe is exactly why there will not be peace in the universe. So long as you chauvinistic imperials insist that you are some sort of master race to which the rest of humanity must bow to and service, you will meet with resistance. Many of us would rather die fighting you than live and submit to your vision of "peace".
What you want is irrelevant, what you've chosen is at hand. |

Raphael Ordo
Praetorian Auxiliary Force Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
38
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Posted - 2013.05.20 07:16:00 -
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Anabella Rella wrote:This kind of tripe is exactly why there will not be peace in the universe. So long as you chauvinistic imperials insist that you are some sort of master race to which the rest of humanity must bow to and service, you will meet with resistance. Many of us would rather die fighting you than live and submit to your vision of "peace".
Obviously, you've already decided upon the matter. So this is not even a debatable "Issue" for you. You have narrowed your mind into something that you think you believe in, something you think would be good for you and your family. You limit yourself, and wrap yourself in anger towards something you do not understand. You continue limiting yourself this way, there will no peace, nor solace for anyone around you.
Narrowmindedness, incarnate. |

Halete
Pyre Falcon Defence Cadre XV-01A Pyre Falcon Defence Combine
820
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Posted - 2013.05.20 07:56:00 -
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Anabella Rella wrote:Many of us would rather die fighting you than live and submit to your vision of "peace".
Then perhaps if left to your own devices, you would at least show the decency to allow your brothers and sisters in the Empire to live with their own version of peace?
I suspect not. Trading chains for shackles, I am free. |

Sepherim
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
444
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Posted - 2013.05.20 14:40:00 -
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Halete wrote:Then perhaps if left to your own devices, you would at least show the decency to allow your brothers and sisters in the Empire to live with their own version of peace?
I suspect not.
Of course not! Since we still holds slaves, that justifies for them any attrocities, sovereignty violations, mass kidnapping or any other ideas they may have... all in the name of their people and their view for peace! And, apparently, even invading the Federation is an option as soon as the slightest reason is given for that.
I'm sorry, captain Rella, but your people clearly lack any idea of the value of peace, thus your words sound empty and hollow on the matter. Sepherim Catillah Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris Liuteneant Ex-Imperial Navy Imperator Commander |

Anabella Rella
Gradient Electus Matari
748
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Posted - 2013.05.20 15:01:00 -
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Raphael Ordo wrote: Obviously, you've already decided upon the matter. So this is not even a debatable "Issue" for you. You have narrowed your mind into something that you think you believe in, something you think would be good for you and your family. You limit yourself, and wrap yourself in anger towards something you do not understand. You continue limiting yourself this way, there will no peace, nor solace for anyone around you.
Narrowmindedness, incarnate.
Narrow minded how, exactly? How is one supposed to interpret the theology and, more importantly, the actions of you imperials? You want to rule over all humanity and remake us into your image. In this regard you're no different from the Sansha. The only thing I've done is closed my ears to your lies. I carry no anger towards your people. Just remain on your side of the border and renounce the "reclaiming" and we can all live happily ever after.
As to you Sepherim, your tune is getting really stale. Blaming the victims of your empire's atrocities for fighting back against you, for not bowing down to you, etc is so last year. Please find a new song and dance. Also, it's very hypocritical to accuse us of exactly what your people have been doing for millennia. Stop crying now that you're reaping the bitter harvest of what you sowed all those years ago. And stop blaming us for feeling the way we do towards your people. You brought this upon yourselves.
What you want is irrelevant, what you've chosen is at hand. |

Samira Kernher
Praetorian Auxiliary Force Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
180
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Posted - 2013.05.20 15:05:00 -
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Anabella Rella wrote:Narrow minded how, exactly? How is one supposed to interpret the theology and, more importantly, the actions of you imperials? You want to rule over all humanity and remake us into your image. In this regard you're no different from the Sansha. The only thing I've done is closed my ears to your lies. I carry no anger towards your people. Just remain on your side of the border and renounce the "reclaiming" and we can all live happily ever after.
We did, and our two empires had a century of peace. Then the Shakor administration broke it, and a new Reclaiming was started in response.
One can say the Republic value liberty, but after breaking CONCORD treaties not once but twice it is clear they have no respect for peace. |

Sepherim
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
444
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Posted - 2013.05.20 15:17:00 -
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Anabella Rella wrote:As to you Sepherim, your tune is getting really stale. Blaming the victims of your empire's atrocities for fighting back against you, for not bowing down to you, etc is so last year. Please find a new song and dance. Also, it's very hypocritical to accuse us of exactly what your people have been doing for millennia. Stop crying now that you're reaping the bitter harvest of what you sowed all those years ago. And stop blaming us for feeling the way we do towards your people. You brought this upon yourselves.
You will never understand anything, will you? I don't blame you for who we are: we are who we are because we believe this is the right path. You have nothing to do with it.
But I do accuse you of becoming that which you supposedly despise. Hypocrisy is the act of pretending to have values and ideas which, in truth, aren't there. And the Republic does so constantly: you want peace but start wars; you want respect for your citizens, but don't give such to those of others. I could go on, but you get the picture.
As to wether it is trendy or not, I don't care if you consider it "so last year": truth is truth, no matter when. Sepherim Catillah Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris Liuteneant Ex-Imperial Navy Imperator Commander |

Anabella Rella
Gradient Electus Matari
751
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Posted - 2013.05.20 19:11:00 -
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Samira Kernher wrote:
We did, and our two empires had over a century of peace. It was the Republic's administration under Shakor that broke that peace, and only then was a new Reclaiming announced by Her Imperial Majesty (and yet despite this announcement, millions of slaves like myself were released, and no real efforts have been made to actually reignite a Reclaiming save the actions by His Highness Merimeth Sarum).
The Republic might certainly place a lot of value on liberty, but after breaking CONCORD treaties not once but twice it is clear they have no respect for peace.
This is a half-truth and you damned well know it. Immediately after Jamyl was crowned she announced a "new reclaiming". The fact that she's not called upon her minions to carry it out is far from renouncing it.
And if you insist on bringing up treaty breaking I'll just remind you and Sepherim that there are far more morally reprehensible acts than breaking an agreement between governmental entities. (And no, I don't advocate for nor do I agree with the Republic Fleet's attack on the Federation) If your ancestors hadn't invaded Matar, kidnapped or killed millions, enslaved tens of millions and occupied our homes for almost a millennium, the Elders entry into imperial space to save the last of the Nefantar and Starkmanir never would have been necessary. If a pride-damaged imperial heir not committed genocide on Starkman Prime the Elders entry into imperial space never would have been necessary.
And before you all start in on "Do our wrongs in the past justify yours today ?", I'll answer, "Yes". "How long do you intend to keep bringing up our past deeds?" Until you understand how injurious those deeds were to us and you renounce the "reclaiming".
I'm finished arguing with you imperials. Think what you like, call me whatever names you like. I don't answer to you and I'll damn sure not be judged by the likes of race traitors, hypocrites, warmongers, kidnappers, slavers and racial supremacists. What you want is irrelevant, what you've chosen is at hand. |

Synthetic Cultist
Church of The Crimson Saviour
182
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Posted - 2013.05.20 19:53:00 -
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I find the Opinions of PIE Theologians to be Interesting.
I enjoy the Opinions of Cardinal Graelyn. |

Lyris Nairn
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
10622
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Posted - 2013.05.20 20:00:00 -
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If you folks so greatly despise something, then why do you honour it by responding to it?
I have personally had nothing but magnanimous dealings with the Amarr, PIE included. Sky Captain of Your Heart Vote Lyris Nairn for CSM8 |

Samira Kernher
Praetorian Auxiliary Force Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
182
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Posted - 2013.05.20 20:25:00 -
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Anabella Rella wrote:Samira Kernher wrote:
We did, and our two empires had over a century of peace. It was the Republic's administration under Shakor that broke that peace, and only then was a new Reclaiming announced by Her Imperial Majesty (and yet despite this announcement, millions of slaves like myself were released, and no real efforts have been made to actually reignite a Reclaiming save the actions by His Highness Merimeth Sarum).
The Republic might certainly place a lot of value on liberty, but after breaking CONCORD treaties not once but twice it is clear they have no respect for peace.
This is a half-truth and you damned well know it. Immediately after Jamyl was crowned she announced a "new reclaiming". The fact that she's not called upon her minions to carry it out is far from renouncing it.... Until you understand how injurious those deeds were to us and you renounce the "reclaiming".
I will repeat that there was no Reclaiming being undertaken for over a century under the reign of Heideran VII, a man who also received the Aidonis for his efforts towards peace. Doriam II likewise worked towards peace, and did not restart the Reclaiming either.
The current war and and the current Reclaiming are on the Republic's hands. The fact is that the Empire was working to maintain peace, and the Republic broke it. Call it a justifiable breach of peace if you will, but it was still a breach of peace. |

Katarina Musana
Gradient Electus Matari
50
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Posted - 2013.05.20 21:42:00 -
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Raphael Ordo wrote:Obviously, you've already decided upon the matter. So this is not even a debatable "Issue" for you. You have narrowed your mind into something that you think you believe in, something you think would be good for you and your family. You limit yourself, and wrap yourself in anger towards something you do not understand. You continue limiting yourself this way, there will no peace, nor solace for anyone around you.
Narrowmindedness, incarnate.
Obviously, you've already decided upon the matter. So this is not even a debatable "issue" for you. You have narrowed your mind into something that you think you believe in, something you think would be good the rest of the universe. You limit yourself, and wrap yourself in piety towards something that doesn't exist. You continue limiting yourself this way, there will be no peace nor solace for anyone around you.
Narrowmindedness, incarnate. |

Katarina Musana
Gradient Electus Matari
50
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Posted - 2013.05.20 21:47:00 -
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Samira Kernher wrote: The current war and and the current Reclaiming are on the Republic's hands. The fact is that the Empire was working to maintain peace, and the Republic broke it. Call it a justifiable breach of peace if you will, but it was still a breach of peace.
The "current" war, as you like to call it, may well be on the Republic's hands. I see no need to argue that point when there's a bigger issue.
The Reclaiming is purely an Amarrian construct. Being at war and enacting a Reclaiming do not go hand-in-hand. The "current Reclaiming" is on the Empire's hands, not ours. And as long as the Empire continues with its proclamations and attempts at Reclaiming us, there will be no opportunity for peace. So, the continuance of war between us is, actually, on the Empire's hands.
Ball's in your court, dear. |

Katran Luftschreck
Royal Ammatar Engineering Corps
1489
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Posted - 2013.05.20 22:15:00 -
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Anabella Rella wrote:So long as you chauvinistic imperials insist that you are some sort of master race to which the rest of humanity must bow to and service....
First off, the modern definition of Amarrian is anyone who believes in and practices the Amarr Faith. The Khanid, Ni-Kunni, Ammatar... all Amarrians. If a Civire or Jin-Mei converts to our Faith then we consider them a brother or sister standing beside us before God. The idea of "Race" as you define it is completely irrelevant. I know this is going to sail right over your thick head, but we Amarrians are not a "race" - We are an idea.
If you are looking for someone obsessed with the idea of a "master race" you need only look in the mirror. Bloodline this, tribe that, bow to our wishes or we'll blow you up (and that's how you treat your supposed allies). You don't care about culture, beliefs, or what is in a person's soul - you only care about some obscure notion of genetic kinships and you base your entire society around it. You're inner desires are no secret to anyone: The repression, conquest, and eventual extermination of all any human being who doesn't have enough Matari-brand DNA to be considered "worthy."
The day CCP codes together a bot program that slaps 30 day forum bans on anyone who says "can I have your stuff?" the overall average IQ of the EvE forums will quintuple overnight. |

Samira Kernher
Praetorian Auxiliary Force Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
182
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Posted - 2013.05.20 22:17:00 -
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Katarina Musana wrote:The "current" war, as you like to call it, may well be on the Republic's hands. I see no need to argue that point when there's a bigger issue.
The Reclaiming is purely an Amarrian construct. Being at war and enacting a Reclaiming do not go hand-in-hand. The "current Reclaiming" is on the Empire's hands, not ours. And as long as the Empire continues with its proclamations and attempts at Reclaiming us, there will be no opportunity for peace. So, the continuance of war between us is, actually, on the Empire's hands.
Ball's in your court, dear.
You, I, and most people alive today were born in an era of peace between the Empire and the Republic. Our nations still have trading stations in each others space. For over a century there was no Reclaiming, as I have said several times now, except for missionary work and limited slave taking where permitted by CONCORD treaties (treaties that had been ratified by the Republic's leadership, by the way).
The proclamation and attempting happened after you broke decades of peace and started a war.
The Empire sought peace. Shakor's Republic sought war. |

Seneca Aurun
Viziam Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2013.05.20 23:11:00 -
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Katarina Musana wrote: The "current" war, as you like to call it, may well be on the Republic's hands. I see no need to argue that point when there's a bigger issue.
The Reclaiming is purely an Amarrian construct. Being at war and enacting a Reclaiming do not go hand-in-hand. The "current Reclaiming" is on the Empire's hands, not ours. And as long as the Empire continues with its proclamations and attempts at Reclaiming us, there will be no opportunity for peace. So, the continuance of war between us is, actually, on the Empire's hands.
Ball's in your court, dear.
The Battle of Colelie puts lie to your words. It is rather clear that peace with the Republic is impossible, even for it's own allies, on any other terms than complete submission any time the Republic chooses to make demands in the name of Tribal 'honor' . |

Cipher7
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
49
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Posted - 2013.05.20 23:41:00 -
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Katran Luftschreck wrote:Anabella Rella wrote:So long as you chauvinistic imperials insist that you are some sort of master race to which the rest of humanity must bow to and service.... First off, the modern definition of Amarrian is anyone who believes in and practices the Amarr Faith. The Khanid, Ni-Kunni, Ammatar... all Amarrians. If a Civire or Jin-Mei converts to our Faith then we consider them a brother or sister standing beside us before God. The idea of "Race" as you define it is completely irrelevant. I know this is going to sail right over your thick head, but we Amarrians are not a "race" - We are an idea.If you are looking for someone obsessed with the idea of a "master race" you need only look in the mirror. Bloodline this, tribe that, bow to our wishes or we'll blow you up (and that's how you treat your supposed allies). You don't care about culture, beliefs, or what is in a person's soul - you only care about some obscure notion of genetic kinships and you base your entire society around it. You're inner desires are no secret to anyone: The repression, conquest, and eventual extermination of all any human being who doesn't have enough Matari-brand DNA to be considered "worthy."
You can join a tribe dumbass.
It's a voluntary association. |

Katran Luftschreck
Royal Ammatar Engineering Corps
1490
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Posted - 2013.05.20 23:47:00 -
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Cipher7 wrote:You can join a tribe dumbass.
It's a voluntary association.
So is mine.
Consider yourself ignored. You're making me lose IQ points through osmosis.
The day CCP codes together a bot program that slaps 30 day forum bans on anyone who says "can I have your stuff?" the overall average IQ of the EvE forums will quintuple overnight. |

Cipher7
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
49
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Posted - 2013.05.21 00:30:00 -
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Yeah I'm sure slavery is a voluntary association. |

Lyris Nairn
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
10622
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Posted - 2013.05.21 00:34:00 -
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Cipher7 wrote: Yeah I'm sure slavery is a voluntary association.
It is for some; for example, the entire Amarr religion. Sky Captain of Your Heart Vote Lyris Nairn for CSM8 |

Cipher7
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
49
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Posted - 2013.05.21 00:39:00 -
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Lyris Nairn wrote:Cipher7 wrote: Yeah I'm sure slavery is a voluntary association.
It is for some; for example, the entire Amarr religion.
Derp? |

Kithrus
Deus Fides Empire Curatores Veritatis Alliance
265
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Posted - 2013.05.21 01:00:00 -
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Cipher7 wrote:Lyris Nairn wrote:Cipher7 wrote: Yeah I'm sure slavery is a voluntary association.
It is for some; for example, the entire Amarr religion. Derp?
You can volunteer, we take volunteers. Totally saves on the paperwork.
Joking aside my best friend from my first days piloting joined me in Clergy and later in DFE. She is a well respected with us though she hasn't been flying lately and been focusing on her education to upgrade her talents.
You really should see Amarrian scholarship programs. |

Katarina Musana
Gradient Electus Matari
50
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Posted - 2013.05.21 01:30:00 -
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Samira Kernher wrote:Katarina Musana wrote:The "current" war, as you like to call it, may well be on the Republic's hands. I see no need to argue that point when there's a bigger issue.
The Reclaiming is purely an Amarrian construct. Being at war and enacting a Reclaiming do not go hand-in-hand. The "current Reclaiming" is on the Empire's hands, not ours. And as long as the Empire continues with its proclamations and attempts at Reclaiming us, there will be no opportunity for peace. So, the continuance of war between us is, actually, on the Empire's hands.
Ball's in your court, dear. You, I, and most people alive today were born in an era of peace between the Empire and the Republic. Our nations still have trading stations in each others space. For over a century there was no Reclaiming, as I have said several times now, except for missionary work and limited slave taking where permitted by CONCORD treaties (treaties that had been ratified by the Republic's leadership, by the way). The proclamation and attempting happened after you broke decades of peace and started a war. The Empire sought peace. Shakor's Republic sought war.
Yeah, peace, aside from the repeated slave raids against us. Of course, your lovely government claims they weren't official and that they're working to eliminate illegal slavers to keep Concord off their back.
And war or not, regardless of who started it, any decision to attempt a Reclaiming against the Minmatar is on the Empire's hands, not ours. War does not equate to Reclaiming.
Seneca Aurun wrote:The Battle of Colelie puts lie to your words. It is rather clear that peace with the Republic is impossible, even for it's own allies, on any other terms than complete submission any time the Republic chooses to make demands in the name of Tribal 'honor' .
No, it really doesn't. First, there had been continued attempts at negotiation with the Federation, all of which failed. Second, no statement has been made by the Tribal Council as to the exact reasons for the battle at Colelie, so any speculation as to the reason it occurred and whether or not there really was justification is just that, speculation.
Katran Luftschreck wrote:Consider yourself ignored. You're making me lose IQ points through osmosis.
Hon, you'd have to have some IQ points in order to lose them.
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Seneca Aurun
Viziam Amarr Empire
1
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Posted - 2013.05.21 02:01:00 -
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Katarina Musana wrote: No, it really doesn't. First, there had been continued attempts at negotiation with the Federation, all of which failed.
And certainly violence is the appropriate response to a dispute with an ally.
Quote:Second, no statement has been made by the Tribal Council as to the exact reasons for the battle at Colelie, so any speculation as to the reason it occurred and whether or not there really was justification is just that, speculation.
The Republic stated the intentions of it's incursion into Federation space quite clearly. Assuming some other hidden justification is pure speculation on your part.
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