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Lord Gisborne
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2013.05.19 17:14:00 -
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I can now do lv 4 missions so want to fly my new raven ive had for a while, so i made 2 fits on EFT and the passive seems to be better than the active tank and has more DPS, below is the build i made.
[Raven, Raven Passive] Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Shield power relay 1 Shield power relay 1
Adaptive Invulnerability Field I Adaptive Invulnerability Field I Kinetic Deflection Field I Large Shield Extender I Large Shield Extender I Large Shield Extender I
'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I, Mjolnir Cruise Missile 'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I, Mjolnir Cruise Missile 'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I, Mjolnir Cruise Missile 'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I, Mjolnir Cruise Missile 'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I, Mjolnir Cruise Missile 'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I, Mjolnir Cruise Missile Small Tractor Beam I Drone Link Augmentor I
Large Core Defense Field Purger I Large Core Defense Field Purger I Large Core Defense Field Purger I
This is 320 dps, 165 passive shield (guess this is on max shields?) and is cap stable.
The active fit only has 277 dps and it does have 345 shield regen with booster on but the cap only lasts under 2 minuets, so wouldent the passive be better as its every 1 sec in |

CanI haveyourstuff
Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2013.05.19 17:29:00 -
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what the...... |

Zhilia Mann
Tide Way Out Productions
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Posted - 2013.05.19 17:36:00 -
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Well, no. That fit won't survive L4s. It will get through some on buffer but the combination of low recharge and low damage will mean you'll warp out or pop on any moderately difficult mission.
One issue you've overlooked is your poor damage application. You'll get "all" 320 DPS on (most) battleships but killing cruisers and smaller is going to be painful. There's a reason everyone fits rigors, you know.
Try this:
[Raven, mjd entry] Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Signal Amplifier II
X-Large C5-L Emergency Shield Overload I Heavy Capacitor Booster II, Cap Booster 800 Phased Weapon Navigation Array Generation Extron Kinetic Deflection Field II Kinetic Deflection Field II Large Micro Jump Drive
'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I, Caldari Navy Mjolnir Cruise Missile 'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I, Caldari Navy Mjolnir Cruise Missile 'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I, Caldari Navy Mjolnir Cruise Missile 'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I, Caldari Navy Mjolnir Cruise Missile 'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I, Caldari Navy Mjolnir Cruise Missile 'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I, Caldari Navy Mjolnir Cruise Missile [empty high slot] [empty high slot]
Large Warhead Rigor Catalyst I Large Warhead Rigor Catalyst I Large Warhead Rigor Catalyst I |

Lord Gisborne
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2013.05.19 17:42:00 -
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How do i import this to eve EFT? i did it somehow when i minimized the EFT lol, how do i copy the code you gave me and load it into EFT for future? |

Lord Gisborne
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2013.05.19 17:51:00 -
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Zhilia Mann wrote:Well, no. That fit won't survive L4s. It will get through some on buffer but the combination of low recharge and low damage will mean you'll warp out or pop on any moderately difficult mission.
One issue you've overlooked is your poor damage application. You'll get "all" 320 DPS on (most) battleships but killing cruisers and smaller is going to be painful. There's a reason everyone fits rigors, you know.
Try this:
[Raven, mjd entry] Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Signal Amplifier II
X-Large C5-L Emergency Shield Overload I Heavy Capacitor Booster II, Cap Booster 800 Phased Weapon Navigation Array Generation Extron Kinetic Deflection Field II Kinetic Deflection Field II Large Micro Jump Drive
'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I, Caldari Navy Mjolnir Cruise Missile 'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I, Caldari Navy Mjolnir Cruise Missile 'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I, Caldari Navy Mjolnir Cruise Missile 'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I, Caldari Navy Mjolnir Cruise Missile 'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I, Caldari Navy Mjolnir Cruise Missile 'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I, Caldari Navy Mjolnir Cruise Missile [empty high slot] [empty high slot]
Large Warhead Rigor Catalyst I Large Warhead Rigor Catalyst I Large Warhead Rigor Catalyst I
This looks ok but how is it much better than the one i made in terns of defence? yours only has 30 ish more HPS regen than mine but mine has 18k shields for 30 less shields per sec?
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Tsukino Stareine
EVE University Ivy League
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Posted - 2013.05.19 17:53:00 -
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just...........please don't fly a raven yet.
You will just end up on the rat killboards. |

Lord Gisborne
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2013.05.19 17:56:00 -
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Tsukino Stareine wrote:just...........please don't fly a raven yet.
You will just end up on the rat killboards.
If i dont understand and learn i never will so dont be ignorant you ******* Minmatar lover, or ill stab you with vitoc! |

Max Von Sydow
24th Imperial Crusade Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2013.05.19 18:00:00 -
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Lord Gisborne wrote:How do i import this to eve EFT? i did it somehow when i minimized the EFT lol, how do i copy the code you gave me and load it into EFT for future?
Open EFT.
Copy text.
Go back to EFT.
Select "yes" in the do you want to import popup. |

Lord Gisborne
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2013.05.19 18:03:00 -
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Max Von Sydow wrote:Lord Gisborne wrote:How do i import this to eve EFT? i did it somehow when i minimized the EFT lol, how do i copy the code you gave me and load it into EFT for future? Open EFT. Copy text. Go back to EFT. Select "yes" in the do you want to import popup.
go back to it? i minimize and reopen it and i get no pop up... |

Zhilia Mann
Tide Way Out Productions
1220
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Posted - 2013.05.19 18:15:00 -
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Lord Gisborne wrote:Zhilia Mann wrote:Well, no. That fit won't survive L4s. It will get through some on buffer but the combination of low recharge and low damage will mean you'll warp out or pop on any moderately difficult mission.
One issue you've overlooked is your poor damage application. You'll get "all" 320 DPS on (most) battleships but killing cruisers and smaller is going to be painful. There's a reason everyone fits rigors, you know.
Try this:
[Raven, mjd entry] Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Signal Amplifier II
X-Large C5-L Emergency Shield Overload I Heavy Capacitor Booster II, Cap Booster 800 Phased Weapon Navigation Array Generation Extron Kinetic Deflection Field II Kinetic Deflection Field II Large Micro Jump Drive
'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I, Caldari Navy Mjolnir Cruise Missile 'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I, Caldari Navy Mjolnir Cruise Missile 'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I, Caldari Navy Mjolnir Cruise Missile 'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I, Caldari Navy Mjolnir Cruise Missile 'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I, Caldari Navy Mjolnir Cruise Missile 'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I, Caldari Navy Mjolnir Cruise Missile [empty high slot] [empty high slot]
Large Warhead Rigor Catalyst I Large Warhead Rigor Catalyst I Large Warhead Rigor Catalyst I This looks ok but how is it much better than the one i made in terns of defence? yours only has 30 ish more HPS regen than mine but mine has 18k shields for 30 less shields per sec?
Are you loading rat specific defense profiles? I took your kinetic hardener as a cue and made a Guristas fit. Worst case scenario would be a Sansha/Blood fit, but still mine will do fine.
A big part of your tank on the MJD fit is... the MJD. You're not going to get hit much at range and what you do absorb you can shrug off. But on the fit you posted, you're stuck in place. Rats will all come to you and sit at their optimal range -- and kill you.
Edit: regarding the rat-specific damage, I can swap out your fit to have two kinetic and one thermal hardener, which gets you up to 297 EFT tank against Guristas. That's in contrast to the 511 sustained my fit gets against Guristas. That's a 72% increase in raw tank on top of the range tank. That's a huge difference in favor of an active tank. |

Caleidascope
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
279
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Posted - 2013.05.19 18:15:00 -
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Can you passive tank it? Yes. Why you should not passive tank it? Because you will loose it, that is why. How do I know? Because I tried it and lost mine. Life is short and dinner time is chancy Eat dessert first! |

Tsukino Stareine
EVE University Ivy League
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Posted - 2013.05.19 18:20:00 -
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Lord Gisborne wrote:Tsukino Stareine wrote:just...........please don't fly a raven yet.
You will just end up on the rat killboards. If i dont understand and learn i never will so dont be ignorant you ******* Minmatar lover, or ill stab you with vitoc!
It's not that you can't passive tank a raven
It's that YOU can't passive tank a raven with your current skillset.
300 DPS and 160 tank sounds like a cruiser O.O |

Cable Udan
The Tuskers
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Posted - 2013.05.19 18:21:00 -
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Just because you can fly a Raven doesn't mean you should. http://chasingtheblueflash.blogspot.com/
My Pirate Blog |

Lord Gisborne
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2013.05.19 18:29:00 -
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Tsukino Stareine wrote:Lord Gisborne wrote:Tsukino Stareine wrote:just...........please don't fly a raven yet.
You will just end up on the rat killboards. If i dont understand and learn i never will so dont be ignorant you ******* Minmatar lover, or ill stab you with vitoc! It's not that you can't passive tank a raven It's that YOU can't passive tank a raven with your current skillset. 300 DPS and 160 tank sounds like a cruiser O.O
but the one she linked me has only 30 more hp/s regen and thats active, passive when not at 25% is 160 to the 190, hows it much different? |

Zhilia Mann
Tide Way Out Productions
1220
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Posted - 2013.05.19 18:31:00 -
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Lord Gisborne wrote:Tsukino Stareine wrote:Lord Gisborne wrote:Tsukino Stareine wrote:just...........please don't fly a raven yet.
You will just end up on the rat killboards. If i dont understand and learn i never will so dont be ignorant you ******* Minmatar lover, or ill stab you with vitoc! It's not that you can't passive tank a raven It's that YOU can't passive tank a raven with your current skillset. 300 DPS and 160 tank sounds like a cruiser O.O but the one she linked me has only 30 more hp/s regen and thats active, passive when not at 25% is 160 to the 190, hows it much different?
See my edit above. It's very different. |

Caleidascope
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
279
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Posted - 2013.05.19 18:35:00 -
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Zhilia Mann wrote:Lord Gisborne wrote:Tsukino Stareine wrote:Lord Gisborne wrote:Tsukino Stareine wrote:just...........please don't fly a raven yet.
You will just end up on the rat killboards. If i dont understand and learn i never will so dont be ignorant you ******* Minmatar lover, or ill stab you with vitoc! It's not that you can't passive tank a raven It's that YOU can't passive tank a raven with your current skillset. 300 DPS and 160 tank sounds like a cruiser O.O but the one she linked me has only 30 more hp/s regen and thats active, passive when not at 25% is 160 to the 190, hows it much different? See my edit above. It's very different. You have 93km targetting range. Here is what is going to happen. The rats will scram you, then they will pound you into scrap.
The LMJD fit let you jump 100km every 3 minutes, rat scram does not effect it. So you get in trouble, you just jump, small rats loose lock on you and if you fit targeting mods, you can keep on killing the rats while they are trying to close in on your new location.
Life is short and dinner time is chancy Eat dessert first! |

Lord Gisborne
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2013.05.19 18:35:00 -
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Zhilia Mann wrote:Lord Gisborne wrote:Tsukino Stareine wrote:Lord Gisborne wrote:Tsukino Stareine wrote:just...........please don't fly a raven yet.
You will just end up on the rat killboards. If i dont understand and learn i never will so dont be ignorant you ******* Minmatar lover, or ill stab you with vitoc! It's not that you can't passive tank a raven It's that YOU can't passive tank a raven with your current skillset. 300 DPS and 160 tank sounds like a cruiser O.O but the one she linked me has only 30 more hp/s regen and thats active, passive when not at 25% is 160 to the 190, hows it much different? See my edit above. It's very different.
I dont know much about eve items, weps or fits, i did not understand most of what u said.
My passive drake build has half the shield regen my passive raven build does? how the hell does a drake passive tank? if a raven with double it cant? |

Caleidascope
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
279
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Posted - 2013.05.19 18:38:00 -
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Lord Gisborne wrote:Zhilia Mann wrote:Lord Gisborne wrote:Tsukino Stareine wrote:Lord Gisborne wrote:
If i dont understand and learn i never will so dont be ignorant you ******* Minmatar lover, or ill stab you with vitoc!
It's not that you can't passive tank a raven It's that YOU can't passive tank a raven with your current skillset. 300 DPS and 160 tank sounds like a cruiser O.O but the one she linked me has only 30 more hp/s regen and thats active, passive when not at 25% is 160 to the 190, hows it much different? See my edit above. It's very different. I dont know much about eve items, weps or fits, i did not understand most of what u said. Peeps, I think we are being trolled.
Life is short and dinner time is chancy Eat dessert first! |

Lord Gisborne
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2013.05.19 18:41:00 -
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Quote:Peeps, I think we are being trolled.
Take you're chavy troll word and get out, people ask and try to understand a game and get called a troll, fu off you are the troll here, bb. |

Zhilia Mann
Tide Way Out Productions
1220
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Posted - 2013.05.19 18:43:00 -
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Lord Gisborne wrote:I dont know much about eve items, weps or fits, i did not understand most of what u said.
Guristas deal primarily kinetic damage with a smattering of thermal. That's all. So that's all you protect against when you fight them.
When you do that with the passive fit, you get a 297 DPS peak tank. When you do that with the fit I posted, you get a 517 DPS tank.
On top of that, you can dictate range with my fit. Yours will sit still and get pounded into dust when all the ships in the room get into range.
You also won't be able to do much of anything at all to ships smaller than battleships simply because unaugmented cruise missiles are terrible at applying damage to small ships. I have three rigs to cover that plus a target painter which helps as well.
Oh, and as a nice afterthought my fit targets further and faster. |

Alexa Coates
Federation Navy Assembly Group LLC
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Posted - 2013.05.19 18:46:00 -
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Lord Gisborne wrote:Quote:Peeps, I think we are being trolled. Take you're chavy troll word and get out, people ask and try to understand a game and get called a troll, fu off you are the troll here, bb. did you pass the 1st grade? I have a 5 year old who spells better than you. That's a Templar, an Amarr fighter used by carriers. |

Lord Gisborne
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
1
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Posted - 2013.05.19 18:46:00 -
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Zhilia Mann wrote:Lord Gisborne wrote:I dont know much about eve items, weps or fits, i did not understand most of what u said. Guristas deal primarily kinetic damage with a smattering of thermal. That's all. So that's all you protect against when you fight them. When you do that with the passive fit, you get a 297 DPS peak tank. When you do that with the fit I posted, you get a 517 DPS tank. On top of that, you can dictate range with my fit. Yours will sit still and get pounded into dust when all the ships in the room get into range. You also won't be able to do much of anything at all to ships smaller than battleships simply because unaugmented cruise missiles are terrible at applying damage to small ships. I have three rigs to cover that plus a target painter which helps as well. Oh, and as a nice afterthought my fit targets further and faster.
I get the dmg ressistant thing, i use a website to get mob dmg and fit the ressistance based on what mission i do, always have, other than that, what makes the raven bad for passive tanking compaired to a drake? |

Lord Gisborne
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2013.05.19 18:48:00 -
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Alexa Coates wrote:Lord Gisborne wrote:Quote:Peeps, I think we are being trolled. Take you're chavy troll word and get out, people ask and try to understand a game and get called a troll, fu off you are the troll here, bb. did you pass the 1st grade? I have a 5 year old who spells better than you.
Sorry i was not aware that i spelled any word incorrectly? So please enlighten me on what i have not spelled correctly.
p.s. I'm English, you are American i take it? how about you stop miss spelling half of the ENGLISH dictionary before you tell me how to spell also? |

Tsukino Stareine
EVE University Ivy League
207
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Posted - 2013.05.19 19:01:00 -
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Lord Gisborne wrote:
I dont know much about eve items, weps or fits, i did not understand most of what u said.
My passive drake build has half the shield regen my passive raven build does? how the hell does a drake passive tank? if a raven with double it cant?
Then please, for your sake, continue doing level 3 missions with your drake until you get better skills.
For example my drake tanks over 300 DPS of any damage type I fit the hardeners for while doing 400+ DPS depending on what missiles I'm using.
It can tank level 4s quite comfortably but the damage is a bit lacking and i find it too slow.
With 300 DPS on cruise missiles you're likely to not be able to kill some rats at all like 1mil+ bounty battleships and elite cruisers. |

Lord Gisborne
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2013.05.19 19:07:00 -
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Tsukino Stareine wrote:Lord Gisborne wrote:
I dont know much about eve items, weps or fits, i did not understand most of what u said.
My passive drake build has half the shield regen my passive raven build does? how the hell does a drake passive tank? if a raven with double it cant?
Then please, for your sake, continue doing level 3 missions with your drake until you get better skills. For example my drake tanks over 300 DPS of any damage type I fit the hardeners for while doing 400+ DPS depending on what missiles I'm using. It can tank level 4s quite comfortably but the damage is a bit lacking and i find it too slow. With 300 DPS on cruise missiles you're likely to not be able to kill some rats at all like 1mil+ bounty battleships and elite cruisers.
I have a fair amount of skills to lv 4and 5 and have 12 mill SP, i dont see what i could lv to make myself do EPIC more massive dmg and tanking?
With the fit you gave me i have...
197 defence 390 dps cap lasts: 7 min 45 seconds British and proud... Amarr and proud... Long live Jamyl Sarum I |

Tsukino Stareine
EVE University Ivy League
208
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Posted - 2013.05.19 19:16:00 -
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Having industry 5 doesn't do much for your missioning unfortunately ;)
But to be serious: a raven should be doing at least 400 paper DPS even with "acceptable" battleship skills and supports. To be honest I'm not quite sure how you have managed to get such low dps.
Most missile ships apart from the drake need 4 ballistic control units to make the most of them, this is why passive shield tanking doesn't work since you need to sacrifice low slots for those shield relays.
As for defences, you will need to raise up skills related to active shield tanking as that's how Raven's are best tanked. It's not just a bigger drake, it's a completely different ship.
7 minutes of cap is plenty of time to clear a room, especially as you won't be leaving the shield booster on 24/7 |

Lord Gisborne
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
1
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Posted - 2013.05.19 19:21:00 -
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Tsukino Stareine wrote:Having industry 5 doesn't do much for your missioning unfortunately ;)
But to be serious: a raven should be doing at least 400 paper DPS even with "acceptable" battleship skills and supports. To be honest I'm not quite sure how you have managed to get such low dps.
Most missile ships apart from the drake need 4 ballistic control units to make the most of them, this is why passive shield tanking doesn't work since you need to sacrifice low slots for those shield relays.
As for defences, you will need to raise up skills related to active shield tanking as that's how Raven's are best tanked. It's not just a bigger drake, it's a completely different ship.
7 minutes of cap is plenty of time to clear a room, especially as you won't be leaving the shield booster on 24/7
How is an Abaddon compared to the drake? i prefer the look of it and always wanted that ship, is it better to run mission than a raven> British and proud... Amarr and proud... Long live Jamyl Sarum I |

Tsukino Stareine
EVE University Ivy League
208
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Posted - 2013.05.19 19:22:00 -
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simple answer: no
longer answer: nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo |

Caleidascope
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
279
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Posted - 2013.05.19 19:32:00 -
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Lord Gisborne wrote: I get the dmg ressistant thing, i use a website to get mob dmg and fit the ressistance based on what mission i do, always have, other than that, what makes the raven bad for passive tanking compaired to a drake?
Not enough shield regen, not enough dps. Life is short and dinner time is chancy Eat dessert first! |

Lord Gisborne
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
1
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Posted - 2013.05.19 19:35:00 -
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So what is the best all around noob friendly raven mission lv 4 running fit? no fancy tactics like 100k warping about etc, something powerful and simple and cheap? British and proud... Amarr and proud... Long live Jamyl Sarum I |
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