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Steve Spooner Mordu's Military Industrial Command Circle-Of-Two 61	Posted - 2013.05.19 21:28:00 - [1] - Quote Come the cruise missile buff (which I have an epic hard on for) in odyssey there is even less reason to use torpedoes because the damage gap is being tightened by both a damage increase and bonuses to explosive radius to ships as well as a overall increase in usefulness via speed increase (Raven Raven Raven Raven Raven). So what niche would torpedoes fit, other than for stealth bombers, since there is no news of changes being made to them in odyssey (which I really hope they do, because I Iike biggy boom boom torpedoes).
Tsukino Stareine EVE University Ivy League 208	Posted - 2013.05.19 21:32:00 - [2] - Quote i dont ill use cruise missiles in pvp
sabre906 Old Spice Syndicate Sailors of the Sacred Spice 1093	Posted - 2013.05.19 22:48:00 - [3] - Quote They should give us back the AOE torps of the olden days. Standings Improvement Service https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=19454
OfBalance Caldari State 495	Posted - 2013.05.20 00:42:00 - [4] - Quote Confirming I would like cavalry ravens back.
Abrazzar Vardaugas Family 1814	Posted - 2013.05.20 01:21:00 - [5] - Quote Silly idea, but maybe boost their damage and nerf the explosion radius or velocity in such a way that they keep doing the same damage as they do now against ships but massively more damage against structures. Sovereignty and Population New Mining Mechanics
Dato Koppla Rage of Inferno Malefic Motives 201	Posted - 2013.05.20 01:44:00 - [6] - Quote Torps are already one of the best weapons for structure grinding, the Raven is easily able to put out over 1k dps @ large POS range.
Steve Spooner Mordu's Military Industrial Command Circle-Of-Two 61	Posted - 2013.05.20 17:35:00 - [7] - Quote Orrrr you can use a dreadnaught? I have yet to see a raven fleet grinding a POS away and I don't imagine them being able to fight back well if they were dropped on.
Lady Ayeipsia Red Federation RvB - RED Federation 640	Posted - 2013.05.20 17:46:00 - [8] - Quote Because you can't put cruise missiles on a bomber anymore.
Nash MacAllister Anomalous Existence Disavowed. 57	Posted - 2013.05.20 18:35:00 - [9] - Quote Steve Spooner wrote: Orrrr you can use a dreadnaught? I have yet to see a raven fleet grinding a POS away and I don't imagine them being able to fight back well if they were dropped on. That's why you use Torp fit Rattlers with Sentries and Logi support... *The enemy of my enemy is... -ájust another guy that needs killin'*
Liang Nuren Heretic Army Heretic Initiative 3660	Posted - 2013.05.20 18:46:00 - [10] - Quote I won't be using Torps after the change. -Liang Normally on 5:00 -> 9-10:00 Eve (Aus TZ?) Blog: http://liangnuren.wordpress.com PVP Videos: http://www.youtube.com/user/LiangNuren/videos Twitter: http://twitter.com/LiangNuren
hellcane Never Back Down 51	Posted - 2013.05.20 22:50:00 - [11] - Quote While they have hinted that they will be looking at torps in the future, I am not holding my breath. Torps died when the pretty rings stopped flying across my screen
sabre906 Old Spice Syndicate Sailors of the Sacred Spice 1100	Posted - 2013.05.21 00:16:00 - [12] - Quote hellcane wrote: While they have hinted that they will be looking at torps in the future, I am not holding my breath. Torps died when the pretty rings stopped flying across my screen Yes, bring the pretty rings back, but not just visuals, we demand AOE torps! Standings Improvement Service https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=19454
Sergeant Acht Scultz School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State 744	Posted - 2013.05.21 10:58:00 - [13] - Quote Dato Koppla wrote: Torps are already one of the best weapons for structure grinding, the Raven is easily able to put out over 1k dps @ large POS range. Full dmg mods Arty Maelstron can put 20K holes in structures Gankalol Blaster fit beats everything sub cap after 1min shooting at hihubs and everything not having shields Torps suck unless with bombers removed inappropriate ASCII art signature - CCP Eterne
Sergeant Acht Scultz School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State 744	Posted - 2013.05.21 11:04:00 - [14] - Quote Steve Spooner wrote: Orrrr you can use a dreadnaught? I have yet to see a raven fleet grinding a POS away and I don't imagine them being able to fight back well if they were dropped on. Without a good support fleet or a capital fleet better leave your Dreadnaught at the station. Everyone likes to kill capitals, Dreadnaughts and carriers are crunchy removed inappropriate ASCII art signature - CCP Eterne
Steve Spooner Mordu's Military Industrial Command Circle-Of-Two 62	Posted - 2013.05.21 23:34:00 - [15] - Quote A decent fit Vindicator/Machariel is worth more than a carrier, you don't see everyone with a rifter within 10 light years traveling at boner speeds to gank one of those.
Mathias Orsen Sacred Templars Unclaimed. 2	Posted - 2013.05.22 04:06:00 - [16] - Quote Steve Spooner wrote: A decent fit Vindicator/Machariel is worth more than a carrier, you don't see everyone with a rifter within 10 light years traveling at boner speeds to gank one of those. Never understood that myself. I'd rather use a carrier in PVP because it's cheaper than most my other PVP ships but my more expensive PVP ships are far less juicy in the eyes of the vultures. I don't think it has anything to do with the value of the ship. It's more about taking down the bigger beast.
Soon Shin Caucasian Culture Club Transmission Lost 227	Posted - 2013.05.22 04:41:00 - [17] - Quote They said they will look at torpedoes but it will be after the expansion.
Crellion Parental Control Raiden. 35	Posted - 2013.05.22 05:35:00 - [18] - Quote Wasnt there something that mentioned missile skills applying to torps post patch? Or is it me?
Dato Koppla Rage of Inferno Malefic Motives 208	Posted - 2013.05.22 05:51:00 - [19] - Quote Crellion wrote: Wasnt there something that mentioned missile skills applying to torps post patch? Or is it me? That was a previous expansion and it still hasn't made torps useable and with the buff to cruise it pretty much killed torps.
Zan Shiro Alternative Enterprises 166	Posted - 2013.05.22 07:15:00 - [20] - Quote Dato Koppla wrote: Crellion wrote: Wasnt there something that mentioned missile skills applying to torps post patch? Or is it me? That was a previous expansion and it still hasn't made torps useable and with the buff to cruise it pretty much killed torps. this basically. While the skills apply you, imo, still get the range issues. Range issues you have to slap on range rigs for. No room for flare or rigor to hit better. Which with cruise buff means cruises look even better with the damage boost. Its not raw torp damage....but unless massiviely tp'd neither is raw torp damage from torps lol.
Josilin du Guesclin University of Caille Gallente Federation 64	Posted - 2013.05.22 09:57:00 - [21] - Quote A simple +50% boost to velocity (and corresponding nerf to stealth bomber bonuses) would fix a lot of the problems Torps have. It'll give them a 30km reach (45km with Javelin) in an non-range bonused hull, which is far enough to be useful. Hulls with range/velocity bonuses will reach further - the Raven will have 45/62.5km range, which is enough to be clearly a different sort of torp boat from a Typhoon, and gives it the sort of reach that 'short range' laser and AC boats get. A simple fix with no downsides.
Steve Spooner Mordu's Military Industrial Command Circle-Of-Two 62	Posted - 2013.05.22 13:03:00 - [22] - Quote Josilin du Guesclin wrote: A simple +50% boost to velocity (and corresponding nerf to stealth bomber bonuses) would fix a lot of the problems Torps have. It'll give them a 30km reach (45km with Javelin) in an non-range bonused hull, which is far enough to be useful. Hulls with range/velocity bonuses will reach further - the Raven will have 45/62.5km range, which is enough to be clearly a different sort of torp boat from a Typhoon, and gives it the sort of reach that 'short range' laser and AC boats get. A simple fix with no downsides. Additional range is irrelevant because you need TWO target painters to hit another god damn battle ship for full damage when they're moving faster than 150m/s e.g every minmatar battleship. The explosive radius of the anti-big ship rage torpedoes are so bad they can only hit completely stationary targets for full damage. Hell a moving carrier doesn't get hit for full damage by rage torpedoes half the time.
Dato Koppla Rage of Inferno Malefic Motives 209	Posted - 2013.05.22 23:54:00 - [23] - Quote Range and damage application are both problems, and I think the reason they haven't given out these buffs is that they have to correspondingly nerf stealth bombers which is messy so they can't be bothered. Honestly Torps range is just sad, it's the same as HAM range...and their damage application is straight up horrendous.

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