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Ribbo	Posted - 2005.10.19 16:00:00 - [121] Originally by: Cmd Woodlouse Originally by: WhiteSnake Even better, the man who made secret agreement through daffuzz with BoB to end the GNW as long as he kick out GODS and CDI Then tell the full story why it all started atleast... FFS not here tho, in another thread, title it "wild accusations part1" ribbo
Acks	Posted - 2005.10.19 16:01:00 - [122] Originally by: Ribbo Originally by: Aquiesse Erus Originally by: Outbreak Edited by: Outbreak on 19/10/2005 09:36:50 gl kia and PA, good to see u guys are back up to strenght, and i would not bother about alts, if they can't post with mains there not worth responding to. As i have said, i will make contact with Eddz with my main tonight. Im afraid im not going to give out isk freely for a service that i must say was terrible. post with your main you coward... my god when i was in IMP Acks and Xirt would never have let you in an alliance you snivilling alt! Ribbo Dam straight. Thanks For the compliment Ribbo.
Nyxus	Posted - 2005.10.19 16:27:00 - [123] KIAEddz - Thanks for explaining the situation. It makes much more sense now. I guess my only question is why did you wait almost half a year to exact your revenge? The killmails are from last May and it just seems a long time to wait to do anything about it. If you had done it within 4 to 8 weeks I would totally understand. Why wait almost 1/2 a year (5 months or so)? If it was that big of an issue, and 600m+ would be to me, why such a delay? Nyxus
Darken Two	Posted - 2005.10.19 16:47:00 - [124] Originally by: Ribbo Originally by: Cmd Woodlouse Originally by: WhiteSnake Even better, the man who made secret agreement through daffuzz with BoB to end the GNW as long as he kick out GODS and CDI Then tell the full story why it all started atleast... FFS not here tho, in another thread, title it "wild accusations part1" ribbo Not as wild as you think. Originally by: Blind Fear Generally, when trying to be a puppetmaster, it is considered good form not to wrap the strings around your neck and choke yourself.
Darken Two	Posted - 2005.10.19 16:48:00 - [125] Edited by: Darken Two on 19/10/2005 16:48:23 Stupid doubl post Originally by: Blind Fear Generally, when trying to be a puppetmaster, it is considered good form not to wrap the strings around your neck and choke yourself.
Darken Two	Posted - 2005.10.19 16:49:00 - [126] Originally by: Ribbo Originally by: Cmd Woodlouse Originally by: WhiteSnake Even better, the man who made secret agreement through daffuzz with BoB to end the GNW as long as he kick out GODS and CDI Then tell the full story why it all started atleast... FFS not here tho, in another thread, title it "wild accusations part1" ribbo Not as wild as you think. Originally by: Blind Fear Generally, when trying to be a puppetmaster, it is considered good form not to wrap the strings around your neck and choke yourself.
Trefnis	Posted - 2005.10.19 16:56:00 - [127] I see the point of this topic is: 1) Contract over (PA still -10), we want public apology, 2) PA "we are sorry for smacktalkers" (on forum, no reply from KIA) 3) KIA is blue to PA and yet shoot down expensive AF (for some harpy with gisti is a lot of isk) and is put back to -10 4) 3 days later PA shoot down KIA HAC 5) "Fast" war dec (1 month after incident and 1 day after major fight PA gets involved) I say KIA have flaw mentality, "we kill you - its ok, you kill us - its bad, you will pay"
KIAHicks	Posted - 2005.10.19 17:04:00 - [128] KIA pilots have made mistakes before and blown up people they shouldn't for whatever reasons, however the KIA directorship has always returned any loot possible and paid reparations. The same used to be true of the original PA, but sadly the PA of current does not seem to share the same morals of the old PA and is nothing more than the PA in name. Hope the KIA guys have a blast :) Keenon: "After sitting in the system for FIVE hours without even a (go away)"...
Trefnis	Posted - 2005.10.19 17:22:00 - [129] Originally by: KIAHicks KIA pilots have made mistakes before and blown up people they shouldn't for whatever reasons, however the KIA directorship has always returned any loot possible and paid reparations. The same used to be true of the original PA, but sadly the PA of current does not seem to share the same morals of the old PA and is nothing more than the PA in name. Hope the KIA guys have a blast :) Mentioned AF pilot got no ISK for ship/mod not even sorry in local or private chat, but we HAVE to give it back becouse ?
Roger Dodger	Posted - 2005.10.19 17:23:00 - [130] Originally by: Nyxus KIAEddz - Thanks for explaining the situation. It makes much more sense now. I guess my only question is why did you wait almost half a year to exact your revenge? The killmails are from last May and it just seems a long time to wait to do anything about it. If you had done it within 4 to 8 weeks I would totally understand. Why wait almost 1/2 a year (5 months or so)? If it was that big of an issue, and 600m+ would be to me, why such a delay? Nyxus Opportunity, of course.

Kertog	Posted - 2005.10.19 17:28:00 - [131] sounds like a band of vultures to me:/
pershphanie	Posted - 2005.10.19 17:29:00 - [132] Originally by: Jasmine Constantine Originally by: WhiteSnake Originally by: Kertog Originally by: Cochise Well one thing that remains the same. PA still live the lies and misguided egos that drove 20th and many others from it. Sad to see some of their heads are still buried in the sand. Best of Luck KIA !! says the guy who NAPed Bob and still was saying he's friend with PA... plz use alt atleast to call someone else a liar mkay? Even better, the man who made secret agreement through daffuzz with BoB to end the GNW as long as he kick out GODS and CDI, then he left PA creating Xelas and nap with BOB, was begging PA to release offices from V7-MID (xellas station) to be available for his corps, and the first office available was rented from evolution. Xellas who was begging for mercy from us in local when they lost their cloaker with their bs bpo's and let them go in peace when they lost the war. They promised to make pupblic in forums what happened and retract the contract if we give them 3 days "window" to remove their assets, and when they left they did nothing. Leave PA alone, we treated you so good, more than you deserved. Dont speak about lies or honor, since you were telling lies to half PA council and manipulated facts and "truths". wowser, thats some seriously spiky accusations there Whitesnake but wasn't Cochise the guy that saved your ass in the GNW when PA was falling to bits? Anyway, on topic - GL KIA, its always irritating when an Alliance doesn't keep its word or take responsibility for its members actions and its good to see them burn for acting high and mighty. Actually what whitesnake said is the truth. And no, chochise didnt save anyone ass in the GNW. GODS tried to keep the fight going in BKG and we were kicked from the alliance. Cochise basically gave up. Not that it matters anymore, cochise got his.
Kertog	Posted - 2005.10.19 17:33:00 - [133] i see 5 entries on killboard with cochise... i guess he must have been commanding fleet battles from inside the station...
Seleene	Posted - 2005.10.19 17:36:00 - [134] Edited by: Seleene on 19/10/2005 17:36:26 Good luck, Eddz. Your brothers and sisters in the MC support you fully. - We're outnumbered! That simplifies the problem!
Invisible Touch	Posted - 2005.10.19 17:43:00 - [135] Originally by: Darken Two Originally by: Ribbo Originally by: Cmd Woodlouse Originally by: WhiteSnake Even better, the man who made secret agreement through daffuzz with BoB to end the GNW as long as he kick out GODS and CDI Then tell the full story why it all started atleast... FFS not here tho, in another thread, title it "wild accusations part1" ribbo Not as wild as you think. Its not wild, not an "accusation", its a simple fact. It's not ofc as Cmd Woodhouse pointed the "whole picture", but that story has been told soooo many times it's a classic. As it is no single side/corp had the absolute right in that warofthewars. Its a classic and we better leave it as it is. A "classic" era, where great leaders fought, more great leaders were born. These same great leaders now rule most of the Eve Universe. Too much emotion here from all sides. But still I keep reading of the "old" good PA and the "current" bad PA. Well neither is true. And you damn well know it. Leave PA alone. ...the weak always follow the strong...
Cochise	Posted - 2005.10.19 17:59:00 - [136] Originally by: WhiteSnake Originally by: Kertog Originally by: Cochise Well one thing that remains the same. PA still live the lies and misguided egos that drove 20th and many others from it. Sad to see some of their heads are still buried in the sand. Best of Luck KIA !! says the guy who NAPed Bob and still was saying he's friend with PA... plz use alt atleast to call someone else a liar mkay? Even better, the man who made secret agreement through daffuzz with BoB to end the GNW as long as he kick out GODS and CDI, then he left PA creating Xelas and nap with BOB, was begging PA to release offices from V7-MID (xellas station) to be available for his corps, and the first office available was rented from evolution. Xellas who was begging for mercy from us in local when they lost their cloaker with their bs bpo's and let them go in peace when they lost the war. They promised to make pupblic in forums what happened and retract the contract if we give them 3 days "window" to remove their assets, and when they left they did nothing. Leave PA alone, we treated you so good, more than you deserved. Dont speak about lies or honor, since you were telling lies to half PA council and manipulated facts and "truths". LOL, Your so lost in the excuses and the guilt you feel that while the PA was fighting BOB you were hiding in Tenal hunting NPCs you lost touch with reality. I wonÆt waste my time here trying to recreate the time line for you or anyone else as its off topic and to be honest just a waste of my time. I will say this as I stated before "Its obvious that some of the PA is still lost in the lies and misguided egos of the past" And yes your head is one that is buried in the sands of denial and fantasy. It is indeed sad to see you so desperately trying to justify the mistakes made. My decisions were well founded and my honor suffered no damage. It was the total lack of full understanding as shown here and by you and others that made my choice easy. And it is that same lack of reality that keeps you in the constant state of turmoil you are in now. What does it say when many that served the PA so well and so hard now hunt and kill PA? What does it say when many who loved the PA leave, never to return, never to stand for it again? What does it say when allies turn against the PA or move them to neutral status? Those facts speak louder than any misguided words you can spew at me and those facts certainly justify my actions and choices. You will never learn until you get your head out of the sand and think before you speak. That however is pretty obvious and I am betting will never happen. I have no regrets for my efforts for and on behalf of the PA nor do I have any regrets as to my now well-tendered dislike for what it has become. You people got exactly what you wanted and deserved. You got each other and in that I rest with complete satisfaction and amusement. Once again Best of luck to KIA!!!
Kertog	Posted - 2005.10.19 18:06:00 - [137] Edited by: Kertog on 19/10/2005 18:08:19 Edited by: Kertog on 19/10/2005 18:06:44 Quote: What does it say when many that served the PA so well and so hard now hunt and kill PA? What does it say when many who loved the PA leave, never to return, never to stand for it again? What does it say when allies turn against the PA or move them to neutral status? Cochise: You were the reason i wanted blades to leave PA... becouse of changes made by you... than i returned to kill your alliance... I remember one thing you said on vent.. my goal is to make money and gain power in this game... but those goals were not for the majority of PA. You were NAPing all hostiles the military part of PA was killing you were the one that almost killed PA. that's my opinion but probably more ppl share it. And yes you're righ... there's no flaw on your honor... you should have one first...
The Clash	Posted - 2005.10.19 18:14:00 - [138] gawd on moments like this i wish i never left EvE , now im way behind on being decent in pvp terms and isk terms :/ i miss Tenal :( ..i once had a lil birdie in there that saw many things included from people in this thread , maybe birdie should dig back deep and smack em in teh face like a big birdie would do _________________ i suck
The Clash	Posted - 2005.10.19 18:20:00 - [139] Edited by: The Clash on 19/10/2005 18:22:18 Edited by: The Clash on 19/10/2005 18:21:08 Originally by: Kertog Edited by: Kertog on 19/10/2005 18:08:19 Edited by: Kertog on 19/10/2005 18:06:44 Quote: What does it say when many that served the PA so well and so hard now hunt and kill PA? What does it say when many who loved the PA leave, never to return, never to stand for it again? What does it say when allies turn against the PA or move them to neutral status? Cochise: You were the reason i wanted blades to leave PA... becouse of changes made by you... than i returned to kill your alliance... I remember one thing you said on vent.. my goal is to make money and gain power in this game... but those goals were not for the majority of PA. You were NAPing all hostiles the military part of PA was killing you were the one that almost killed PA. that's my opinion but probably more ppl share it. And yes you're righ... there's no flaw on your honor... you should have one first... Alliances aka large groups of people or countries as you will eat themselves from the inside ...not by 1 person unless he's evil like some guys in our RL history . So did teh PA back then , altho i wasnt a big fan of Cochise his thingies at moments , but PA already was on its way to downfall , now it back , just the name tho but with new people except HAOS/greek corp thingy (who came late but were greatto have in Tenal) . You'd be surprised who caused the leaving of some players and the "unhappy" feelings against the PA back then ...all i say is ... that name is never ever mentioned in discussions about PA's downfall (untill rise of new corps) Edit : Cochise would never been able to get PA back together on its feet , as said , it already was dead and burried . So you cant blame him for that period . _________________ i suck
Invisible Touch	Posted - 2005.10.19 18:32:00 - [140] Edited by: Invisible Touch on 19/10/2005 18:36:10 Originally by: Cochise LOL, Your so lost in the excuses and the guilt you feel that while the PA was fighting BOB you were hiding in Tenal hunting NPCs you lost touch with reality. I wonÆt waste my time here trying to recreate the time line for you or anyone else as its off topic and to be honest just a waste of my time. I will say this as I stated before "Its obvious that some of the PA is still lost in the lies and misguided egos of the past" And yes your head is one that is buried in the sands of denial and fantasy. It is indeed sad to see you so desperately trying to justify the mistakes made. My decisions were well founded and my honor suffered no damage. It was the total lack of full understanding as shown here and by you and others that made my choice easy. And it is that same lack of reality that keeps you in the constant state of turmoil you are in now. What does it say when many that served the PA so well and so hard now hunt and kill PA? What does it say when many who loved the PA leave, never to return, never to stand for it again? What does it say when allies turn against the PA or move them to neutral status? Those facts speak louder than any misguided words you can spew at me and those facts certainly justify my actions and choices. You will never learn until you get your head out of the sand and think before you speak. That however is pretty obvious and I am betting will never happen. I have no regrets for my efforts for and on behalf of the PA nor do I have any regrets as to my now well-tendered dislike for what it has become. You people got exactly what you wanted and deserved. You got each other and in that I rest with complete satisfaction and amusement. Once again Best of luck to KIA!!! .. "C", once a leader, one with a vision, now I am so sorry of what you have become....a "survivor". Your pathetic lies didnot save you the last time, will not save you ever again. And you have the courage to try and save face.... You and the other queenoflies Acidharm... L I A R Now please continue mining. Your monthly posting time is over and you have not reached your daily veldspar quota! You thought they let you live, provided you a home, for free? And remember once a traitor, always one. And FYI Whitesnake was a total noob in npcing, until recently. When we visited the greek souvlaki store in V7-MID we reopened, as I promised you back then. And to "The Clash": The "greek corp thingy" is MYTHOS. And I was a noob in a ss back then. Acidcharm> We need to survive, you know... ...the weak always follow the strong...

The Clash	Posted - 2005.10.19 18:50:00 - [141] Originally by: Invisible Touch And to "The Clash": The "greek corp thingy" is MYTHOS. And I was a noob in a ss back then. i remember now it was ypsilon back then , not sure if Mythos are all the same or a split off , hence why the "greek corp thingy" forgot the name . _________________ i suck
Grimster	Posted - 2005.10.19 19:20:00 - [142] Originally by: The Clash i remember now it was ypsilon back then , not sure if Mythos are all the same or a split off , hence why the "greek corp thingy" forgot the name . Aye - that's the one I remember too, dunno who Mythos are.
Darken Two	Posted - 2005.10.19 19:25:00 - [143] Originally by: Grimster Originally by: The Clash i remember now it was ypsilon back then , not sure if Mythos are all the same or a split off , hence why the "greek corp thingy" forgot the name . Aye - that's the one I remember too, dunno who Mythos are. Ypsilon split, Mythos are the bigger half of teh split I think and if Im not mistaken, the other half is also still in the PA. Originally by: Blind Fear Generally, when trying to be a puppetmaster, it is considered good form not to wrap the strings around your neck and choke yourself.
Zarks	Posted - 2005.10.19 19:46:00 - [144] It¦s interesting to see all those that has smacked KIA the worst at times now cheer them on the most. Is it your hate for the PA that does it or new found respect for KIA during the last week or so?
Crellion	Posted - 2005.10.19 19:48:00 - [145] This is so much a personal opinion that I will probably get spanked by my corp and -V-etoed by my alliance. Having said that: 1) It looks a bit of a silly reason to go to war for tbh and it will mean less or no NBSI in GW :( 2) In any event a prof. merc corp, cold and unemotional is in a league of its own, the top tier in eve perhps. Stooping down to peronal differences and angry declarations is bad form for the "James Bonds" of this -eve- Universe. My 2 isk. PS I hear good things about Mythos (and/or Ypsilon) in this thread and know from personal experience that Maza are perhaps the best part of NBSI. As a Greek I am filled with pride :) One day perhaps all greeks might join forces and seriously pown :D \o/ [though sadly no time soon it seems Christofore and Will F.]
Plague Rexus	Posted - 2005.10.19 19:50:00 - [146] in answer to Nyxus's question above of 'why KIA have waited till now?' it obviously because they wanted to wait until we where enemy free and not in the biggest empire war in recent history, because obviously as honourable enemies they like a fair fight. On a side note - nobody should tolerate a mercenary corp that has declared on their alliance before, period.
The Clash	Posted - 2005.10.19 19:56:00 - [147] Originally by: Plague Rexus in answer to Nyxus's question above of 'why KIA have waited till now?' it obviously because they wanted to wait until we where enemy free and not in the biggest empire war in recent history, because obviously as honourable enemies they like a fair fight. On a side note - nobody should tolerate a mercenary corp that has declared on their alliance before, period. It was commin a long time only delayed due recent events in KIA and reforming oh and "their" alliance ? Its not yers , wel it is in a kinda way if you'd changed the name its fully yers. _________________ i suck
High Sierra	Posted - 2005.10.19 20:19:00 - [148] theres alot of people here who need to up their medication.
Halseth Durn	Posted - 2005.10.19 20:47:00 - [149] KIA have always done what they needed to do to remain true to themselves. Respect that. Also, timetables are set by those who goals are to be accomplished, no one else. It saddens my heart to see a proud name decline in stature after enduring so much. But as the name implies, "reborn from the ashes" may some day hold hope. Venal may some day call home her legendary heros of the past for a new rebirth/reunion that would surely surpass any northern alliance that had come before. "You know what?!?!? cancer can suck my ?&%$!!!
Veskrashen	Posted - 2005.10.19 20:48:00 - [150] Originally by: Plague Rexus On a side note - nobody should tolerate a mercenary corp that has declared on their alliance before, period. Why not? All you're doing is removing your option of using them in the future against someone else. And hell - you'll even know first hand what they're capable of. Previously, it was a business contract. Due to your actions, it's now personal. Which one do you think is easier to bring to an end? Architect of Change



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