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Chiralos
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Posted - 2005.10.19 01:30:00 -
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Would the CVA or AM care to comment on the impending invasion of Imperial space by the Evolution corporation. The following was posted on unofficial diplomatic channels two days ago:
As of friday the 21st of October, the region of Aridia will be laid to waste. Each and all, residing in Aridia, pilot, corporation, or alliance... Clear out. When friday comes, the cleansing starts. If you do not have pre-arranged standings with BoB, you will be chased down and killed. LEAVE NOW!
As a loyal citizen I am appalled by the prospect of this incursion into soverign Imperial space by a pod-pilot alliance.
Chiralos
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Silver Night
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Posted - 2005.10.19 01:42:00 -
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I'm curious as well. Of course, I would have to assume that BoB's announcement applies only to pod pilots, but all the same... Can it really be termed an invasion though? They can't claim systems, as they already belong to the Empire. It is really just more of a shift in who the local pod pilots will be isn't it?
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Silver Night
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Chiralos
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Posted - 2005.10.19 02:23:00 -
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True, "invasion" may not be the right term since it may not result in any perminent occupation: "assault" may be better. Evolution could, however seriously disrupt mining operations and destroy starbases.
The question is, what is the Empire and its paramilitaries going to do about an external entity dictating the use of the Empire's asteroids and moons ? Can it do anything ?
Chiralos
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Silver Night
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Posted - 2005.10.19 02:38:00 -
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See, thats the thing, its an "external entity", but so are the pilots using those moons and asteroids for the most part. There is no threat to the Empire itself from the invading BoB forces. Which is all why I am a bit curious as to thier reaction.
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Silver Night
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Gaven Lok'ri
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Posted - 2005.10.19 03:45:00 -
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First, why would you ask a pair of paramilitaries about their responce to an assault by pod pilots into a region of Amarran space, rather than asking the correct officials?
We dont make policy on such matters, that is the job of the actual Navy and Government, which we are no more than protectors of.
Second, what is your stake in this? Why make this a public thing rather than comeing to both the CVA and the AM privately and asking if we could help?
That would after all, have been the more diplomatic path to take.
Another question would be, where do you stand? Will you be hideing in Amarr waiting for the paramilitaries to finish dieing, hopeing they win so you can go back to mining, or would you be actively helping anyone you could get to back you?
As the real key will not be pod pilot, but rather Imperial intervention. I suggest readressing this statement (ideally in a more diplomatic tone) to your nearest Imperial Official so that he can put in a proper request for the Navy to Intervene. You might have to do some convinceing to him that a long term war and the loss of Imperial assets is warrented by what to him will seem a crisis only affecting pod pilots.
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Babs Johnson
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Posted - 2005.10.19 04:37:00 -
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 Originally by: Gaven Lok'ri
First, why would you ask a pair of paramilitaries about their responce to an assault by pod pilots into a region of Amarran space, rather than asking the correct officials?
We dont make policy on such matters, that is the job of the actual Navy and Government, which we are no more than protectors of.
Second, what is your stake in this? Why make this a public thing rather than comeing to both the CVA and the AM privately and asking if we could help?
That would after all, have been the more diplomatic path to take.
Another question would be, where do you stand? Will you be hideing in Amarr waiting for the paramilitaries to finish dieing, hopeing they win so you can go back to mining, or would you be actively helping anyone you could get to back you?
As the real key will not be pod pilot, but rather Imperial intervention. I suggest readressing this statement (ideally in a more diplomatic tone) to your nearest Imperial Official so that he can put in a proper request for the Navy to Intervene. You might have to do some convinceing to him that a long term war and the loss of Imperial assets is warrented by what to him will seem a crisis only affecting pod pilots.
So "terrorists" such as Ushra'Khan and Star Fraction come to Amarr space and you beat your chests and sermonize on GalNet and hop in your pods and bring your god's retribution down upon them with extreme prejudice.
But when BoB states their intention to come to Amarr space and murder and "cleanse" and cause far more chaos than all the "terrorists" combined, you pass the buck to Imperial officials.
Monsieur Lok'ri, are you perhaps afraid that if you stand against BoB, your god will not protect you from their might?
Or perhaps you have made some deal with this devil?
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Gaven Lok'ri
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Posted - 2005.10.19 04:50:00 -
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Edited by: Gaven Lok''ri on 19/10/2005 04:52:16
First I suggest you review the details of the Star Fraction engagement before speaking of it. We did not wish that war, we did not chose to fight them, they chose to attack us. Its important to actually have some idea of the details of a matter when you chose to attack someone on it.
As for the U'K, yes I consider a foe that has as its single stated goal the destruction of the entire Amarran Empire as being more important than a group of marauders out to kill pod pilots. Would I like to see BoB stopped? Yes. Would I drop vigilence in the heartland of Amarr itself to stop an attack on a fringe. No.
Then there is a matter of size. The CVA and AM combined, do not have the tonnage to defeat BoB head to head without Imperial support. We could do damage, but In doing so we would be tradeing lower Domain for Arida, even if we won.
Now should the Navy intervene, we could actually serve as the auxiliaries we are designed to be and support the Imperial Fleet. But we are not a navy in and of ourselves.
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Suuji Praath
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Posted - 2005.10.19 05:15:00 -
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Originally by: Gaven Lok'ri
Edited by: Gaven Lok''ri on 19/10/2005 04:52:16
First I suggest you review the details of the Star Fraction engagement before speaking of it. We did not wish that war, we did not chose to fight them, they chose to attack us. Its important to actually have some idea of the details of a matter when you chose to attack someone on it.
As for the U'K, yes I consider a foe that has as its single stated goal the destruction of the entire Amarran Empire as being more important than a group of marauders out to kill pod pilots. Would I like to see BoB stopped? Yes. Would I drop vigilence in the heartland of Amarr itself to stop an attack on a fringe. No.
Then there is a matter of size. The CVA and AM combined, do not have the tonnage to defeat BoB head to head without Imperial support. We could do damage, but In doing so we would be tradeing lower Domain for Arida, even if we won.
Now should the Navy intervene, we could actually serve as the auxiliaries we are designed to be and support the Imperial Fleet. But we are not a navy in and of ourselves.
I believe, Mr. Lok'ri, that Mz. Johnson's intention was to diffuse your notion of not requiring to answer a question directly addressed to your organization.
After all, the original question was:
Would the CVA or AM care to comment on the impending invasion of Imperial space by the Evolution corporation.
It seems now that you have actually answered that question, ironically only after Mz. Johnson's comment. I would think that her intentions in that comment were not inflammatory despite their obvious effect.
This is an interesting development nonetheless, it seems the madness continues.
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Silver Night
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Posted - 2005.10.19 05:27:00 -
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Thank you for the explanation. I do have to fault your suggestion of asking an official of some sort though. As you may have noticed, it is difficult to get a government response for pod pilots.
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Silver Night
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Tyrrax Thorrk
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Posted - 2005.10.19 05:50:00 -
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Erm it's just Aridia, who cares.
Amarr has bigger fish to fry.
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Sun Wu
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Posted - 2005.10.19 09:12:00 -
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Edited by: Sun Wu on 19/10/2005 09:13:00
Originally by: Babs Johnson
But when BoB states their intention to come to Amarr space and murder and "cleanse" and cause far more chaos than all the "terrorists" combined, you pass the buck to Imperial officials.
It is not our intention to come to aridia to murder, cleanse and cause chaos, it is our intention is to dominate all of the universe. Aridia is simply another step on that very long path towards that goal.
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Khaldorn Murino
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Posted - 2005.10.19 10:39:00 -
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Edited by: Khaldorn Murino on 19/10/2005 10:38:57
Originally by: Gaven Lok'ri
As for the U'K, yes I consider a foe that has as its single stated goal the destruction of the entire Amarran Empire as being more important than a group of marauders out to kill pod pilots.
I am honoured scum. However, our single stated goal is the freedom of our people. The destruction of the Amarrian Regime is a happy consequence of that, one that I and my brethren would welcome.
A good analogely would be:
Given the choice between ripping your head off, putting it on a spike and mailing it to your goverment or freeing all the slaves you hold. I would choose the slaves. Though in a perfect world, I could have both.
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Just a simple warrior.
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Chai N'Dorr
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Posted - 2005.10.19 10:52:00 -
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Originally by: Gaven Lok'ri
First I suggest you review the details of the Star Fraction engagement before speaking of it.
(added bold)
Star Fraction is in Hybernation... don't you mean something else?
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Gaven Lok'ri
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Posted - 2005.10.19 17:56:00 -
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No I dont believe it did refer to anyone but the Star Fraction, and their unwarrented attack on Amarr in the months before the alliance's collapse. I suggest reading the debate in question before responding next time.
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So "terrorists" such as Ushra'Khan and Star Fraction come to Amarr space and you beat your chests and sermonize on GalNet and hop in your pods and bring your god's retribution down upon them with extreme prejudice.
(Added bold)
I should also point out to Silver, that perhaps he should consider that if the pod pilots of Arida cant get imperial support, why should they expect paramilitary support on a matter they havent even brought to the attention of the proper authorities?
Bring the matter up in the proper channels before asking others for their responce.
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Chiralos
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Posted - 2005.10.19 18:09:00 -
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Admiral Lok'ri - I completely agree that this is the responsibility of the Imperial Navy. I have however received no coherent response from the Navy's public information department (perhaps you have better-informed sources ?). I sincerely hope that the apparent lack of Naval action so far is merely inertia, and not paralysis.
The main reason for my question is geniune curiosity: I know virtually nothing about military matters. Are BoB capable of doing what they say they are going to ? If the Navy is not going to respond, the CVA and AM are the only other forces I can think of that might be willing and able to respond.
As to my interest ... you have a point. I am a trader, and have never been seriously troubled by pirates or raiders (thanks in part, of course, to the efforts of the CVA and others).
Having to dodge occasional pirates is one thing. Being denied a region of the Empire by a military machine that no force is willing or able to stop is something else. Perhaps it is time to dust off the combat skillbooks or devote my cargo hold to the defence of the realm.
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Sun Wu
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Posted - 2005.10.19 18:48:00 -
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It would save you time and money if you just left our region before the stated deadline.
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Babs Johnson
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Posted - 2005.10.19 19:24:00 -
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Edited by: Babs Johnson on 19/10/2005 19:25:42
Originally by: Chiralos
Perhaps it is time to dust off the combat skillbooks or devote my cargo hold to the defence of the realm.
Perhaps you should, mon cher Chiralos. Obviously, from all the buck passing and issue dodging we now see from CVA, someone has to do it.
Then again, is "the realm" worth defending?
An interesting question is raised. Who is better to have in power in the Amarr regions? The Emperor and his priests and slavers? Or Sir Molle and his forces of hyperaggression?
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Silver Night
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Posted - 2005.10.19 21:47:00 -
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A good point Admiral Lokri.
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Silver Night
Director -Production and Science
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Graelyn
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Posted - 2005.10.19 22:02:00 -
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I'll be there.
*closes channel*
Minister of Foreign Affairs - Aegis Militia
Fleet Admiral/CEO - The Aeternus Crusade |
Ardor
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Posted - 2005.10.20 00:22:00 -
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Is Aridia not worth defending? It's a region of the Amarr Empire and of course the citizens living in Aridia have a right of defence. The Amarr Empire was founded to expand but not to build up infrastructur only to give it away to the first podder alliance that comes around.
I certainly can understand the position of the CVA. This is a job for the Amarr Navy. The CVA can not be everywhere and once again it is not the job of the CVA.
After a much better relationship with the Amarr Empire I as a Dark Amarr prefer amarrian neighbours instead of the gallentean infuenced BoB alliance. I even do believe in a reunification of the Amarr Empire with the Khanid Kingdom and so I see this attack as an attack against our future's region. Even without reunification I see the risk for the Khanid Kingdom should BoB continue with their rampage.
I've made the decision to send my pilots against this new threat against the amarrian way of life. I will not declare war because of Concord fees but the Bruderschaft will make a sightseeing tour in Fountain and Delve. Should Bob be open for a mutual war agreement they can contact Wheya.
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Gaven Lok'ri
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Posted - 2005.10.20 00:28:00 -
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Good to hear Graelyn.
May God be with you, and may your ships fly under His grace.
I do hope the Empire takes note of this agression and acts accordingly.
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Tomahawk Bliss
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Posted - 2005.10.20 04:11:00 -
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why do people keep thinking that AM's job is to run around controlling Amarr Space (or any space). Does AM look like the Navy?
Besdies what could a few hundred pod pilots even do to the biggest empire in the cluster Besides get ganked by Concord, sentry guns and the Imperial Navy if they so much as step outside the law? I wouldn't worry about the Empire.
http://www.easy-sharing.com/16037/Dolly%20Parton%209%20to%205.mp3.html |
Endless Voice
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Posted - 2005.10.20 04:14:00 -
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Originally by: Sun Wu
It is not our intention to come to aridia to murder, cleanse and cause chaos, it is our intention is to dominate all of the universe. Aridia is simply another step on that very long path towards that goal.
you i like
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Bohab
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Posted - 2005.10.20 04:38:00 -
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Edited by: Bohab on 20/10/2005 04:38:46
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Alasse Cuthalion
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Posted - 2005.10.20 07:27:00 -
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The tide is coming.
Nothing will stop it, Aridia will burn.
Current RKK Ranking: (CAL12) Shogun |
Aodha Khan
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Posted - 2005.10.20 09:35:00 -
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Originally by: Alasse Cuthalion
The tide is coming.
Nothing will stop it, Aridia will burn.
Does **** burn?
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Idara
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Posted - 2005.10.20 14:39:00 -
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Does anyone have a copy of the original message stating that BoB will be invading Aridia? I'm interested in giving it a read.
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Alasse Cuthalion
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Posted - 2005.10.20 22:37:00 -
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Edited by: Alasse Cuthalion on 20/10/2005 22:38:13
The original transmition can be found here.
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Rukaz
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Posted - 2005.10.21 00:16:00 -
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My understanding of the situation is that enemies of the Band of Brothers are using Aridia as a base to mount attacks against sovereign BoB territory.
The Amarr Government have chosen by inaction to remain neutral in this conflict.
I look forward to an official statement from the Amarrian Navy.
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Proconsul Para
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Posted - 2005.10.21 01:56:00 -
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Originally by: Graelyn
I'll be there.
*closes channel*
And he was...
2005.10.21 01:20:00
Victim: Graelyn
Alliance: Aegis Militia
Corporation: The Aeternus Crusade
Destroyed Type: Retribution
Solar System: Ghekon
System Security Level: 0.4
Involved parties:
Name: Proconsul Para (laid the final blow)
Security Status: 3.1
Alliance: Band of Brothers
Corporation: Black Nova Corp
Ship Type: Muninn
Weapon Type: 720mm Howitzer Artillery II
Glad that a former slave could deliver this. Amarr is weak. Amarr is corrupted. Amarr will fail.
Shield Inversion works best at lighting cigarettes in windy weather.
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Graelyn
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Posted - 2005.10.21 04:40:00 -
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True enough. That was a fine ship, and I was sorry to see it go.
Luckily for my pride, I was avenged with two Battleship kills by allied forces acting on my intel. Mixed feelings by days end as my secondary frigate docked for the evening.
A slow start to day 1 of this invasion, but from what I've seen, BoB had not counted on the resistance they are now seeing from a rather surprising multi-Alliance Coalition developing in the area. At this point, there is no telling if such underestimation will continue....
It's going to be a busy week. Those who follow large-scale current events would do well to pay attention to what this is starting to turn into....
Minister of Foreign Affairs - Aegis Militia
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ponieus
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Posted - 2005.10.21 12:34:00 -
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Originally by: Graelyn
BoB had not counted on the resistance they are now seeing from a rather surprising multi-Alliance Coalition developing in the area.
No sir you are wrong. Not suprized about the resistance suprized there ar enot more of you lambs for the slaughter.
For far to long now the Amarr regions have hosted to the vial creatures that invade into our homelands. This will cease and assist. Amarr people will suffer the fate for harboring these pirates into there systems.
The warning went out. you did not listen. The time has come.
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Ankanos
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Posted - 2005.10.21 19:10:00 -
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great... i just made aridia my new vacation spot last week too..
::sigh::
so how many BoB's fit in a trash can anyway..??
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Tomahawk Bliss
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Posted - 2005.10.21 21:02:00 -
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Originally by: ponieus
For far to long now the Amarr regions have hosted to the vial creatures that invade into our homelands.
BoB has a homeland? Aren't they mostly just hanging out in Serpentis space atm?
http://www.easy-sharing.com/16037/Dolly%20Parton%209%20to%205.mp3.html |
Garreck
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Posted - 2005.10.21 21:41:00 -
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Godspeed in your efforts, Admiral Graelyn! Will this be an Aegis Militia initiative in any way at all? If so, fly strong and fly proud all of you.
I may have to request that Huzzah command grant me a leave of absence to take a look at the Aridia plight for myself...
Garreck
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SeNCiNer
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Posted - 2005.10.21 21:57:00 -
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Edited by: SeNCiNer on 21/10/2005 22:16:26
Sitting at the controls of my retribution, I cannot help but wonder what will happen to the planet I grew up on. Planet 3 in the EMU system of Aridia. Home once, and a hard home living on the outskirts of secure Amarr space. Here we lay prey to attacks on the nation from outside sources. The Blood Raiders came and pillaged. Then Sanshas, my mother ruthlessly twisted at the feet of a hateful maniacle dictator.
I watched these atrocities befall my family, and I watched as Amarr responded with inaction. Instead of swift just counter retaliation, Amarr sends a diplomat, assuming that these outside nations can be dealt with peacefully. We all remember that ended in Tradjedy the dictator slaughtered before my very eyes as I sat in a support craft with orders not to fire.
Now, my homeland in it's most critical and desperate moment, I fear will receive no attension from the Amarr, or Concord. No one will save innocent bystanders from the sweeping wrath of the most powerful military stampede ever to grace this universe. While the brunt of BoBs might is focused on the Imperium alliance, and Vertigo coalition, the devastating firefight that will take place in our backyards will cause innocents to die. More importantly BoB representatives have stated that no unwelcome peoples may populate Aridia, this includes my own race who holds the area soveriegn. Will our proud race loose control of it's own space? Will we allow blood to be shed around our own planets? Indeed, it will take more than a single small coolition to stop them. This will take war.
If you are proud enough to defend your country, stand up and take arms preemptive messures may very well dictate the decisive blow.
I am enrout to an AM or CVA recruiting station as we speak, in hopes of defending my people.
Else, we may see the first historical point in time when an empire, a proud race looses control of its sovereignity. Soon the Jove may even support the BoB outsiders.
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Tomahawk Bliss
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Posted - 2005.10.22 03:30:00 -
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Originally by: SeNCiNer
Edited by: SeNCiNer on 21/10/2005 22:16:26
Sitting at the controls of my retribution, I cannot help but wonder what will happen to the planet I grew up on. Planet 3 in the EMU system of Aridia. Home once, and a hard home living on the outskirts of secure Amarr space. Here we lay prey to attacks on the nation from outside sources. The Blood Raiders came and pillaged. Then Sanshas, my mother ruthlessly twisted at the feet of a hateful maniacle dictator.
I watched these atrocities befall my family, and I watched as Amarr responded with inaction. Instead of swift just counter retaliation, Amarr sends a diplomat, assuming that these outside nations can be dealt with peacefully. We all remember that ended in Tradjedy the dictator slaughtered before my very eyes as I sat in a support craft with orders not to fire.
Now, my homeland in it's most critical and desperate moment, I fear will receive no attension from the Amarr, or Concord. No one will save innocent bystanders from the sweeping wrath of the most powerful military stampede ever to grace this universe. While the brunt of BoBs might is focused on the Imperium alliance, and Vertigo coalition, the devastating firefight that will take place in our backyards will cause innocents to die. More importantly BoB representatives have stated that no unwelcome peoples may populate Aridia, this includes my own race who holds the area soveriegn. Will our proud race loose control of it's own space? Will we allow blood to be shed around our own planets? Indeed, it will take more than a single small coolition to stop them. This will take war.
If you are proud enough to defend your country, stand up and take arms preemptive messures may very well dictate the decisive blow.
I am enrout to an AM or CVA recruiting station as we speak, in hopes of defending my people.
Else, we may see the first historical point in time when an empire, a proud race looses control of its sovereignity. Soon the Jove may even support the BoB outsiders.
in what reality are all you people living in that you think BoB can effect the Empire? And the Jove? yeah all dozen of them will come in their mighty ships and slip and fall and break their hips while trying to gum their enemies to death. 
reality check.
BoB's little assault is not anything more important than any other group of us pod pilots blasting away at each other. Suck it up, have some fun and stop saying "the sky is falling! the sky is falling!" for crying out loud we are all imortals, why not get in a nice slobber knocker? then activate your clone and go again. where is this doomsday mentality comming from? did you forget to update your clone or something?
http://www.easy-sharing.com/16037/Dolly%20Parton%209%20to%205.mp3.html |
Chiralos
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Posted - 2005.10.22 12:16:00 -
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in what reality are all you people
living in that you think BoB can effect the Empire ?
In as far as interplanetary trade is being disrupted, I'm sure BoB is affecting the Empire now.
But, really ... "can BoB affect the Empire ?" Is that the sort question on which the Empire was built ?
We should ask "can the Empire affect BoB ?". The answer appears to be "no". Citizens of the Empire, are you content with that ?
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for crying out loud we are all imortals, why not get in a nice slobber knocker? then activate your clone and go again. where is this doomsday mentality comming from? did you forget to update your clone or something?
We are indeed all immortals, or something like it. We are also a tiny fraction of a tiny fraction of all humanity alive today. Some of us immortals prefer not to fall into the trap of thinking that because we cannot easily die, our lives have become some sort of game with no consequences for ourselves or the people we care about.
Chiralos
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Rift Scorn
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Posted - 2005.10.24 12:06:00 -
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Our numbers killed exceed those lost, a financial and economic superiority for sure, or so this Caldari sees it. BoB has come to Aridia, Slaves have killed their former masters and seen their pods torn apart, the area has no resistence from Grealyn's so called multi-alliance coalition. Merely the odd insurgent that attempts to employ guerilla tactics.
You say this is not Amarr issue, and Aridia be damned, although i clearly see in regional navigations that this space is Amarrian. I laugh at these people that are adamant to defend 'their' space, and run, or simply do not arrive to fight.
BoB pilots roam almost un challenged, we pod kill one of Amarr's foremost fleet commanders, and we see no retaliation. BoB's campaign of military, ecomomic and co-vert actions will see no end, it is here forever.
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