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Paula Uta
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.05.22 07:56:00 -
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After years of dumbing it down can we finally stop calling it exploration and call it by real name which is farming. Also you are making wormholes too safe |

Alice Saki
Suddenly Spaced Out Suddenly Spaceships.
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Posted - 2013.05.22 08:03:00 -
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I believe you logged into the Wrong toon...
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Liafcipe9000
Smeghead Empire
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Posted - 2013.05.22 08:31:00 -
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has anyone really been far even as decided to use even go want to do look more like |

Lexar Mundi
DYNAMIC INTERVENTION ORPHANS OF EVE
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Posted - 2013.05.22 08:44:00 -
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Paula Uta wrote:After years of dumbing it down can we finally stop calling it exploration and call it by real name which is farming. Also you are making wormholes too safe Yes make those poor miners think they are more safe in a Ore Site while i don't have to use probes to scan them down anymore. Muhahahahaha
I do kind of agree though. I think it's cool it shows the anoms but the sigs should not show up on the overlay!!! BAD IDEA CCP!!! |

Destination SkillQueue
Are We There Yet
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Posted - 2013.05.22 08:53:00 -
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Lexar Mundi wrote:Paula Uta wrote:After years of dumbing it down can we finally stop calling it exploration and call it by real name which is farming. Also you are making wormholes too safe Yes make those poor miners think they are more safe in a Ore Site while i don't have to use probes to scan them down anymore. Muhahahahaha I do kind of agree though. I think it's cool it shows the anoms but the sigs should not show up on the overlay!!! BAD IDEA CCP!!! I think the reason they show is because they removed the DSPs as overpowered, but still wanted to keep part of their usability, so they just decided to level the playing field by giving the ability to eveyone. |

Paula Uta
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.05.22 09:01:00 -
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Lexar Mundi wrote:Paula Uta wrote:After years of dumbing it down can we finally stop calling it exploration and call it by real name which is farming. Also you are making wormholes too safe Yes make those poor miners think they are more safe in a Ore Site while i don't have to use probes to scan them down anymore. Muhahahahaha Except they can collapse all wormholes and not spawn a static one , and they will see new ones via autoscan.
New signature pops = dock on POS.
Lexar Mundi wrote:[quote=Paula Uta] I do kind of agree though. I think it's cool it shows the anoms but the sigs should not show up on the overlay!!! BAD IDEA CCP!!!
That is exactly what i am saying |

Paula Uta
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.05.22 09:02:00 -
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Destination SkillQueue wrote: I think the reason they show is because they removed the DSPs as overpowered, but still wanted to keep part of their usability, so they just decided to level the playing field by giving the ability to eveyone.
Instat gratification crowd must be cared for. |

Abrazzar
Vardaugas Family
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Posted - 2013.05.22 09:05:00 -
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Paula Uta wrote:Destination SkillQueue wrote: I think the reason they show is because they removed the DSPs as overpowered, but still wanted to keep part of their usability, so they just decided to level the playing field by giving the ability to eveyone.
Instat gratification crowd must be cared for. Those will be put back by the gotta-catch-them-all loot pi+¦ata. Sovereignty and Population New Mining Mechanics |

Eugene Kerner
TunDraGon Drunk 'n' Disorderly
697
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Posted - 2013.05.22 10:18:00 -
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Thats what you get when you cry "nerf local"... they nerf the "Locals"
"Also, your boobs " -á CCP Eterne, 2012
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Verity Sovereign
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2013.05.22 10:42:00 -
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Wait, whats this?
Now your on board scanner can tell you if there are any anomalies to scan down with probes?
Too bad I can't scan, at all, until I get a new computer, because my mac OS is no longer supported (lost the ability to do PI and scan, CCP says too bad) |

Danni stark
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Posted - 2013.05.22 10:46:00 -
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and in what way has exploration been dumbed down? Ice Mining Skill Plan. |

Brooks Puuntai
Solar Nexus.
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Posted - 2013.05.22 11:12:00 -
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Danni stark wrote:and in what way has exploration been dumbed down?
Preset optimized formations, removal of DSP while adding in similar functionality with no skills required, redone skills that make training easier and less need to specialize, making high end implants almost worthless, removal of T3 from 4/10(not like this matters to me personally).
Also space pinata for profession sites, which isn't really dumbing down, but just plain dumb.
CCP's Motto: If it isn't broken, break it. If it is broken, ignore it.
Idea for Improving NPE. |

Ravnik
Stay Frosty.
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Posted - 2013.05.22 11:16:00 -
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Paula Uta wrote:After years of dumbing it down can we finally stop calling it exploration and call it by real name which is farming. Also you are making wormholes too safe
Its not farming unless you are wearing Welly boots.....and drive a Tractor The light that burns twice as bright burns half as long - and you have burned so very, very brightly.......... |

Eugene Kerner
TunDraGon Drunk 'n' Disorderly
697
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Posted - 2013.05.22 11:19:00 -
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Danni stark wrote:and in what way has exploration been dumbed down?
For Wh as I understood i t right: If an entity chain collapses WH to find a certain system, the system holders would now immediatly know that there is a threat once a new anom pops up on the directional.
"Also, your boobs " -á CCP Eterne, 2012
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Danni stark
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Posted - 2013.05.22 11:26:00 -
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Brooks Puuntai wrote:Danni stark wrote:and in what way has exploration been dumbed down? Preset optimized formations, removal of DSP while adding in similar functionality with no skills required, redone skills that make training easier and less need to specialize, making high end implants almost worthless, removal of T3 from 4/10(not like this matters to me personally). Also space pinata for profession sites, which isn't really dumbing down, but just plain dumb.
and yet none of those things are "dumbing down" exploration, it just makes it less tedious and boring.
there's no relation what so ever between "requiring intelligence" and "boring as ****". Ice Mining Skill Plan. |

MisterNick
The Sagan Clan Pax Romana Alliance
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Posted - 2013.05.22 12:26:00 -
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By making it easier to catch someone running a site, wormholes have been made safer.
Riiiiiiight  "Human beings make life so interesting. Do you know that in a universe so full of wonders, they have managed to invent boredom." |

Rengerel en Distel
Amarr Science and Industry
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Posted - 2013.05.22 12:37:00 -
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this thread reminds me of the test forum thread about all the same things with all the same arguments on each side.
With the increase in shiptoasting, the Report timer needs to be shortened.
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Liafcipe9000
Smeghead Empire
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Posted - 2013.05.22 12:48:00 -
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these changes were made so that more people will become explorers. and then suicide gankers in hisec and pirates in low and null will have an easier time finding those explorers and explode them. There is a carefully thought out plan behind everything. |

Nariya Kentaya
Always Negative.
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Posted - 2013.05.22 13:00:00 -
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Danni stark wrote:Brooks Puuntai wrote:Danni stark wrote:and in what way has exploration been dumbed down? Preset optimized formations, removal of DSP while adding in similar functionality with no skills required, redone skills that make training easier and less need to specialize, making high end implants almost worthless, removal of T3 from 4/10(not like this matters to me personally). Also space pinata for profession sites, which isn't really dumbing down, but just plain dumb. and yet none of those things are "dumbing down" exploration, it just makes it less tedious and boring. there's no relation what so ever between "requiring intelligence" and "boring as ****". Math, science, hell COLLEGE would like to have a word with your opinion. |

Ekhss Nihilo
Ideal Machine
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Posted - 2013.05.22 15:10:00 -
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Liafcipe9000 wrote:has anyone really been far even as decided to use even go want to do look more like What he said... |

Bloody Wench
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Posted - 2013.05.22 22:47:00 -
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Liafcipe9000 wrote:has anyone really been far even as decided to use even go want to do look more like
Precisely.
Support a Hi Resolution Texture Pack |

Nexus Day
Lustrevik Trade and Travel Bureau
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Posted - 2013.05.23 01:34:00 -
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Danni stark wrote:Brooks Puuntai wrote:Danni stark wrote:and in what way has exploration been dumbed down? Preset optimized formations, removal of DSP while adding in similar functionality with no skills required, redone skills that make training easier and less need to specialize, making high end implants almost worthless, removal of T3 from 4/10(not like this matters to me personally). Also space pinata for profession sites, which isn't really dumbing down, but just plain dumb. and yet none of those things are "dumbing down" exploration, it just makes it less tedious and boring. there's no relation what so ever between "requiring intelligence" and "boring as ****". Unless the respawn rates are increased it looks like exploration will become dead to me. Instead of a niche that you trained into now it appears it will be a free for all.
The changes will also decrease the value and utility of my exploration Tengu, my favorite ship in the fleet.
Mission running harder last expansion, exploration easier this one. Really can't figure out where CCP is going with this. This thread has so much content it may be 'Thread of the Year' and it is only January.
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mechtech
Ice Liberation Army
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Posted - 2013.05.23 02:33:00 -
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From a game design perspective all of the old exploration systems have been outright bad (they redo them every few years, because they've all been poor).
Exploration sites, arguably the bulk of accessible PVE content, are buried behind an obtuse and obscure system that most casual eve players never even touch.
What you're saying is basically that because more people will be using this system, you don't support it because it will make them less profitable for you. It's not like the old system required skill, it was a mindless system that was tedious enough that many players were turned off of exploration entirely. Also, there are a huge number of less populated regions you can visit if you're concerned with site depletion.
"Mission running harder last expansion, exploration easier this one. Really can't figure out where CCP is going with this." Here, let me help you with this. CCP doesn't want new players coming into Eve, grinding repetitive missions for a month, and then quitting of boredom. They want new players to having a more dynamic exploration experience instead. Experienced explorers can feel free to leave high sec... |

Wooly Akachi
Capital Storm. WHY so Seri0Us
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Posted - 2013.05.23 02:44:00 -
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Ravnik wrote:Paula Uta wrote:After years of dumbing it down can we finally stop calling it exploration and call it by real name which is farming. Also you are making wormholes too safe Its not farming unless you are wearing Welly boots.....and drive a Tractor
thats not a Tractor.
This is a tractor. |

Americe Zane
Sea Hamster Legionnaires The Unthinkables
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Posted - 2013.05.23 05:45:00 -
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Since exploration is easier, could someone come help me get out of this system? I logged in years ago, and after starting my first mission, I got lost and have been floating around all these years looking for the exit. |

Alex Grison
Grison Interstellar
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Posted - 2013.05.23 06:14:00 -
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CEILING FAN |

Cyanios Talvanen
Golden Ring Salvage and Industry.
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Posted - 2013.05.23 06:17:00 -
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Alex Grison wrote:CEILING FAN
I don't have one of those... |

Eru GoEller
State War Academy Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.05.23 06:24:00 -
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Danni stark wrote:Brooks Puuntai wrote:Danni stark wrote:and in what way has exploration been dumbed down? Preset optimized formations, removal of DSP while adding in similar functionality with no skills required, redone skills that make training easier and less need to specialize, making high end implants almost worthless, removal of T3 from 4/10(not like this matters to me personally). Also space pinata for profession sites, which isn't really dumbing down, but just plain dumb. and yet none of those things are "dumbing down" exploration, it just makes it less tedious and boring. there's no relation what so ever between " requiring intelligence" and " boring as ****". So in which ( bolded ) category does the minigame fit?, after lets say 10 or so profession sites during an evening exploring. |

Lexar Mundi
DYNAMIC INTERVENTION ORPHANS OF EVE
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Posted - 2013.05.23 13:04:00 -
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Paula Uta wrote:Lexar Mundi wrote:Paula Uta wrote:After years of dumbing it down can we finally stop calling it exploration and call it by real name which is farming. Also you are making wormholes too safe Yes make those poor miners think they are more safe in a Ore Site while i don't have to use probes to scan them down anymore. Muhahahahaha Except they can collapse all wormholes and not spawn a static one , and they will see new ones via autoscan. New signature pops = dock on POS. Lexar Mundi wrote:[quote=Paula Uta] I do kind of agree though. I think it's cool it shows the anoms but the sigs should not show up on the overlay!!! BAD IDEA CCP!!!
That is exactly what i am saying yeah thanks for leaving out HALF of my quote where I agree with you that CCP should not show Sigs through the overlay..... |

Slade Trillgon
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
222
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Posted - 2013.05.23 13:30:00 -
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mechtech wrote:From a game design perspective all of the old exploration systems have been outright bad (they redo them every few years, because they've all been poor).
Exploration sites, arguably the bulk of accessible PVE content, are buried behind an obtuse and obscure system that most casual eve players never even touch.
What you're saying is basically that because more people will be using this system, you don't support it because it will make them less profitable for you. It's not like the old system required skill, it was a mindless system that was tedious enough that many players were turned off of exploration entirely. Also, there are a huge number of less populated regions you can visit if you're concerned with site depletion.
"Mission running harder last expansion, exploration easier this one. Really can't figure out where CCP is going with this." Here, let me help you with this. CCP doesn't want new players coming into Eve, grinding repetitive missions for a month, and then quitting of boredom. They want new players to having a more dynamic exploration experience instead. Experienced explorers can feel free to leave high sec...
I can not let the best analysis of the situation sink without at least one quote.
+1! |
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