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Rebel WIng
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Posted - 2003.08.04 04:54:00 -
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If anyone else has had this problem please post.
I posted a courier mission restricted to a corpmate today and the mission was taken by someone other than my corpmate. I specifically restricted the mission to him and when he attempted to accept the mission (30 seconds after it posted) it was already taken.
Because the mission was for my corpmate, I purposely set the reward to 0 isk and the collateral to 1 isk. The package however was an item worth 1.5 mil.
I attempted to close the mission (thinking it was some sort of bug) but the option did not appear. Hence the mission was accepted by SOMEONE. But not my corpmate.
Now if I had checked that cute little box that allows me to be updated on status changes I'd have a name and ship to put in front of my ammuntion- because someone knows about this bug and is exploiting it. But yet again since it was a mission for a corpmate I saw no need to.
Petition has been filed but I thought I should air this, inform the public, and see if anyone else has noticed the issue.
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"War does not determine who is right, only who is left" -Confucius
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FarbeyondDAB
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Posted - 2003.08.04 05:41:00 -
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Did u click on the box to the right of the character name to confirm the restriction?
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Chai N'Dorr
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Posted - 2003.08.04 07:34:00 -
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Don't just fill in the name of your Corp mate. Do a parial fill and use search, then select from the search window.
I always use Courier to move items between my characters and have never had one disappearing on me.
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Chai N'Dorr
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Posted - 2003.08.04 07:34:00 -
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Don't just fill in the name of your Corp mate. Do a partial fill and use search, then select from the search window.
I always use Courier to move items between my characters and have never had one disappearing on me.
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Luc Boye
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Posted - 2003.08.04 10:56:00 -
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Same thing happened to me, I lost Gamma L that I was trying to sell 
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OpasNost
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Posted - 2003.08.04 10:58:00 -
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Edited by: OpasNost on 04/08/2003 11:03:34
The courier system using a specific pilot works fine. I am using it lot's of times. After you filled in the name of the specific pilot, be sure you use the search window to check / set name !
Sofar I know, it works fine with all people I know !
The manual for courier missions is available at :
http://www.eve-i.com/article.php?id=34
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Kimi
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Posted - 2003.08.04 11:03:00 -
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We have had the same thing happen. Apparently there is a bug that if you do NOT use the search and just fill in the full name, it does not always take the name - it just leaves it blank. But it givss you no indication that that is what happened.
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OpasNost
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Posted - 2003.08.04 11:08:00 -
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As said before :
Read the CCP-manual about Courier Missions before setting up missions.
The manual is available at :
http://www.eve-i.com/article.php?id=34
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Rebel WIng
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Posted - 2003.08.04 14:19:00 -
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I've set up numerous restricted courier missions and have never had this problem until now. (The last restricted courier mission I posted was two patches ago, however)
I did fill in the name of the pilot the mission was restricted to and I did hit the search button.
Obviously, the mission system ISN'T working fine or I wouldn't have been relieved of a 1.5mil isk BP.
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"War does not determine who is right, only who is left" -Confucius
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killzone
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Posted - 2003.08.04 14:27:00 -
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Anybody know what the reimbursment policy regarding this bug is? I lost a LOT more than 1.5M and have canceled my account pending GM response. I'm sure it will be quite a while before I hear anything from them, but if anyone knows the official policy on this bug, you might save me some time of having to bother logging back in. Thanks.
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OpasNost
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Posted - 2003.08.04 14:34:00 -
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Edited by: OpasNost on 04/08/2003 14:50:03
Don't know anything about a possible reimbursment policy on this point. All I know is that the system works fine if you use the courier missions according to the CCP-manual.
It would be appreciated if you keep us informed when you receive an answer from GM !
BTW: What the hell did you put on Courier Mission if it was a LOT more than 1,5 MIL ?
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Bane Sellante
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Posted - 2003.08.04 15:05:00 -
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Hmm I can see an excellent way to get rid of all those damn escape Pods, I am sure some unscrupulous people will leap at the chance to grab what looks like an incorrectly entered courier mission 
Oh and OpasNost I got it the first time 3 times without anymore useful info in it was a bit iver the top.
Rather than saying RTFM it works for me, you could have said
Read the guide at Eve-I.com which also explains the bug that let this happen to you.
Far more useful In my humble opinion.
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Rebel WIng
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Posted - 2003.08.04 15:20:00 -
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All I know is that the system works fine if you use the courier missions according to the CCP-manual.
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Obviously, the mission system ISN'T working fine or I wouldn't have been relieved of a 1.5mil isk BP.
Seems we're going back and forth here. Now I'm not nearly arrogant enough to believe I can't make a mistake from time to time, ....and maybe this is one of those times. But I did the restricted mission as I had many times before and somehow this time I've been lightened a BP.
Now either there is a bug someone is taking advantage of or there is a flaw in the mission restriction ability.
I'd like to add that I've since viewed the missions listing and notice several missions featuring 1 isk collaterals and zero reward. I believe other people are being mislead (as was I), thinking their missions are really being resricted when, in fact, they're not.
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"War does not determine who is right, only who is left" -Confucius
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Rebel WIng
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Posted - 2003.08.04 15:25:00 -
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OK, so there is a bug, and people know about it.
Lovely.
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"War does not determine who is right, only who is left" -Confucius
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OpasNost
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Posted - 2003.08.05 11:08:00 -
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Edited by: OpasNost on 05/08/2003 11:10:32
Edited by: OpasNost on 05/08/2003 11:08:58
Lot's of people are using Courier Missions as well to get rid of stuff they don't want anymore.
For example:
-they set up a Courier Mission with 0 (or 1) collatoral , putting a noob ship or a pod on that mission;
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-they set up a Courier Mission with 0 (or 1)collatoral to do a hanger clearup to get rid of rubbish items.
In both ways, other players can pick them up for free.
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Stonyvision
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Posted - 2003.08.05 11:30:00 -
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I lost half a mill plag because i didn't use search function.
This needs to be fixed asap.
GM didn't help ofc.
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OpasNost
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Posted - 2003.08.05 11:57:00 -
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So you did contact GM about this point Stonyvision ?
What was their reaction on this ?
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Rebel WIng
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Posted - 2003.08.05 13:26:00 -
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I received a reply from a GM stating I should go to so and so link and carefully read a certain part of the info on that link. Basically it referred to the search function and the fact that you have to use it to restrict a mission.
I replied to the GM who responded and made clear that I DID use the search function and still the mission did not restrict. The GM once again replied and said the petition would be elevated to another GM.
I've already come to the conclusion I'll have to eat the 1.5mil, but hey, maybe they'll find the problem or better yet put a better system in place (or add a warning to the 'add mission' screen). Either way, next time I'll just get off my lazy *ss and make the 8 jump trip myself- save myself some heartburn.
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"War does not determine who is right, only who is left" -Confucius
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Athan
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Posted - 2003.08.05 15:20:00 -
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Been bitten by this one myself.
Yes, ok, so they have the 'correct' way documented on the support site.
Now, how many of us go and check if the support site has a 'howto' on something before ever doing it ? "How do I activate a weapon? What? Just check the manual? Nooooooo, I must go to the support site and check for a HOWTO!".
Basically, CCP, recode the damned thing please, so it is NOT POSSIBLE to screw up a courier mission like this.
A simple flag, set when someone selects a player/corp from the selection window, and re-set as soon as anything is typed in the text entry box. Check said flag on 'Add Courier Mission' being pressed. Obviously make sure you initialise it to unset  .
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Dr Fritz
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Posted - 2003.08.06 00:30:00 -
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Quote:
If anyone else has had this problem please post.
Yep, had this problem too. Before I found a hangar for our new corp, my friend left 480 megacyte in a mission for me. The first two missions he left for me worked fine... this one did not.
A GM confirmed last night we are sol. My guess is that there are people out there who know about this bug and are exploiting it because it happened too quickly.
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Blackie
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Posted - 2003.08.06 05:25:00 -
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ive got to agree...do you have to confirm the collateral or half the other stuff beyond hitting enter when u enter data? if u are going to make us hit the button make seperate search and confirm buttons because i am out more than 12M over this crap...why should i need to hit search if i already know this is the persons name???
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OpasNost
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Posted - 2003.08.06 08:18:00 -
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Edited by: OpasNost on 06/08/2003 08:20:15
I did set up a few missions myself last night ( again !! ) to be picked up by one of my corp members. ( lot's of M3 and 0 collatoral )
As usual I did it the way that CCP describes and I had no problem whatsoever. Never 'lost' a single thing !
I didn't even see the missions myself when I checked the courier missions just after I placed the missions. Which works the way is should, because the missions were not set to my name, and therefor I won't see them ! ( I could still cancel them in the mission journal btw ! )
According to one of my corp members the missions were still there when he checked and accepted them hours later.
So, the courier mission systems does work perfect, as long as you set it up the right way.
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D'Boss
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Posted - 2003.08.06 14:31:00 -
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Edited by: D'Boss on 06/08/2003 14:33:08
Opas, You know exactly what we lost that was worth more a LOT more than 1.5M.
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OpasNost
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Posted - 2003.08.06 14:51:00 -
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CCP says it as follows :
..... This pertains to the use of courier missions to transfer possession of items to specific individuals or corporations. Restricting a mission works as described, but you must not simply type the name of the pilot or corporation -- type the full name (or a partial name) and hit the search button. Think of the search button as a sort of "submit" function. If you do not do this, regardless of whether you typed the pilot or corp's name correctly, the mission will not be restricted, and if used to transfer items at no cost to the recipient, you could stand to lose millions in assets.
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Rebel WIng
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Posted - 2003.08.06 16:24:00 -
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OpasNost, so you don't have the same problem we're having? Are you a GM or bug tester? If you're not then shut the *expletive deleted* up- Thank You.
If you are then I would like to mention to you that your mission system IS *expletive deleted* FLAWED!
I KNOW there is a thread on missions- I've read it- don't need multiple allusions to it- thanks very much again.
I'm anal when dealing with my isk (as in real life with my own dollar) so I'm careful how I spend it and treat the items with which it provides- read I KNOW I USED THE RESTRICTION FEATURE PROPERLY ACCORDING TO THE FRIGGIN LINK YOU, CCP, AND EVERYONE ELSE POSTED. Pardon my tone.
Just because you or any other nay-sayers claim they can't reproduce the problem does not mean it doesn't exist. I have myself tried to reproduce the problem without any success.
But it does exist- and it did happen to me and I believe it has happened to others.
At the minimum there should be a (somewhere near the restrict field) visible warning stating that the mission system WILL NOT restrict if you do not perform a circus of functions first- that would be helpful to those not as anal as I.
By the way the link you posted doesn't do anyone who's been victim to the bug a *expletive deleted* thing after the fact, other than aggravate.
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"War does not determine who is right, only who is left" -Confucius
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killzone
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Posted - 2003.08.06 18:09:00 -
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Edited by: killzone on 06/08/2003 18:10:50
Edited by: killzone on 06/08/2003 18:09:56
Do you want to know why OpasNost is antaganistic? He's the one that is exploiting this bug and ripping people off. He is just trying to hide behind the fact that they have a partial (and inadequate) workaround to the problem, and using that as justification that what he is doing is ok. Everybody should know it's broken therefore it's their own fault. Well your wrong OpasNost, what your doing is not ok and is considered an exploit.
I'll have you know that I played around with courier missions and if you type in a name that happens to be unique and type search, there is NO (read ZERO) indication that anything has changed. If there are some packet losses, or for whatever reason, your client doesn't send the search request, you end up with a broken mission, and there is NO WAY to know until after you created it, but then Opas will have already picked up your mission and stolen your goods.
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Acrel Dar
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Posted - 2003.08.06 19:55:00 -
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I created 10 missions just to test this and clicked search quickly on each one. One of the missions, did not get restricted properly.
Also as Killzone said, there is no popup telling you that search was correctly hit, until after you created the mission. I think the only way to get it to work is if you type ONLY part of the name, then click search and then choose the name from the list. If you typed in the full name you most likely won't get that list (unless someone else has the same name with more added).
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FingerThief
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Posted - 2003.08.06 21:11:00 -
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Yep, OpasNost has taken 5 missions I set up within 2 mins of me setting them up. Naturally, I never saw the items at destination ... he's just taking missions breaks the seal and hopes to get lucky with the loot, also a way of making a living I guess !
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Dr Fritz
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Posted - 2003.08.07 00:59:00 -
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It's really sad to me that CCP is doing nothing about an exploit that is clearly costing people millions. They are the ones responsible for making exploits (it's their bug) and they should do something about the problem and stop hiding behind the "did you hit the search button" AFTER we realize our mission is gone.
Why can't a devleoper take 10 minutes and put a label on the mission screen warning people? How hard is that? (I KNOW it is not hard.) Ideally CCP should fix the problem, but until then, act like you care about the players.
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killzone
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Posted - 2003.08.07 02:57:00 -
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They need a confirmation screen showing the stats of the mission, with an accept button.
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