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Maximus Andendare Future Corps Sleeper Social Club 203	Posted - 2013.05.23 15:38:00 - [1] - Quote Will tiericide of tech 1 ships be complete on June 4 when Odyssey launches? Should we look forward to tech 2 during an Odyssey point release, or has CCP stated that some other things will need to be balanced before (industrials, freighters, capitals)?
Tsukino Stareine EVE University Ivy League 226	Posted - 2013.05.23 15:39:00 - [2] - Quote I think HACs and pirate battleships are next on the list
Elena Thiesant Sun Micro Systems 340	Posted - 2013.05.23 15:45:00 - [3] - Quote I would hope the industrials get a look at sooner rather than later, especially since the skills for them are changing in Odyssey.
Cable Udan The Tuskers 199	Posted - 2013.05.23 16:12:00 - [4] - Quote Hoping it's HACs. My Vagabond needs some lovin'. http://chasingtheblueflash.blogspot.com/ My Pirate Blog
Ines Tegator Towels R Us 303	Posted - 2013.05.23 17:33:00 - [5] - Quote Tech 1 Industrials are next on the list for T1 tiericide; They were supposed to be in Odyssey, but dropped out for time. After that, all the tech 1 subcaps will be done. Following that are Pirate BS and capitals. (I think, from hints in dev posts; it hasn't been announced officially that I'm aware. Command ships could come first I suppose) And then Tech 2. Command ships are up first (some of the basic changes are already posted, like the Eos basically becoming a t2 Myrmidon), then either HACs or BLOPS- again, I don't think there's an official confirmation yet. And finally Tech 3. - Mission Overhaul - Bridging the PVP / PVE Gap - -áIf the game stops teaching people to fear lowsec, maybe people will start going there?
Aralieus Shadowbane Syndicate 123	Posted - 2013.05.23 17:34:00 - [6] - Quote Tsukino Stareine wrote: I think HACs and pirate battleships are next on the list This would be freakin sweet Oderint Dum Metuant
Bryla Jax AeD Corp 2	Posted - 2013.05.24 11:57:00 - [7] - Quote Ines Tegator wrote: And then Tech 2. Command ships are up first (some of the basic changes are already posted, like the Eos basically becoming a t2 Myrmidon), then either HACs or BLOPS- again, I don't think there's an official confirmation yet. Do u have the link for the Eos discussion?
Muad 'dib The Imperial Fedaykin Amarrian Commandos 988	Posted - 2013.05.24 14:57:00 - [8] - Quote Cable Udan wrote: Hoping it's HACs. My Vagabond needs some lovin'. I see your **** vaga and i raise you a **** cerb Cosmic signature detected. . . . http://img299.imageshack.us/img299/4375/mynewsig2.jpg CCP Hilmar CEO > "why am i sweating, why is this game doing this to me"
Succubus with Dreads Court and Banker Company 1	Posted - 2013.05.24 15:01:00 - [9] - Quote Muad 'dib wrote: Cable Udan wrote: Hoping it's HACs. My Vagabond needs some lovin'. I see your **** vaga and i raise you a **** cerb Your Caldari ship isn't accepted here. Please only place bets with a worthy race.
Riot Girl Riot Club 940	Posted - 2013.05.24 15:17:00 - [10] - Quote What's wrong with Cerberus? I always see people complaining about how bad it is, but it's always seemed pretty decent to me. It's just really slow, that's all. Oh god.
Tsukino Stareine EVE University Ivy League 229	Posted - 2013.05.24 15:21:00 - [11] - Quote Riot Girl wrote: What's wrong with Cerberus? I always see people complaining about how bad it is, but it's always seemed pretty decent to me. It's just really slow, that's all. it's supposed to be a "sniping" support cruiser missiles and sniping don't go that well together and if you try and brawl with it you will get sploded faster than you can say "the flintstones".
Riot Girl Riot Club 940	Posted - 2013.05.24 15:23:00 - [12] - Quote What kind of buffs would you guys like to see for HACs? Oh god.
Tsukino Stareine EVE University Ivy League 229	Posted - 2013.05.24 15:32:00 - [13] - Quote I would like the muninn to be faster and more agile with a bit more PG to support an artillery kiting style. I would like the eagle to turn into a HAM specialised brawler and the cerb turned into a rail ship with tracking bonuses so it can give caldari pilots an alternative to the vaga Zealot is fine as is and the sacrilege i dont really have any opinions about Ishtar needs it's bonus to hybrids changed to something more useful and the bonus to scout drone control range (rofl) changed into something more useful too. Drone mwd speed plus drone tracking would make a lot more sense. Deimos needs to actually be better than a thorax, the cap bonus for mwd was changed on the thorax, it should be changed on the deimos too. The falloff bonus for a blaster hull is utterly useless, that needs to be be a doubled up tracking bonus or damage bonus.
Aaron Zebulun Sum of Three Halves Totally Consensual 0	Posted - 2013.05.24 15:42:00 - [14] - Quote Ashimmu needs looking at the most, however if it gets boosted, itll become more expensive... On second thoughts leave it alone
Ginger Barbarella Caldari Provisions Caldari State 1326	Posted - 2013.05.24 16:06:00 - [15] - Quote I have it on good authority that the next Industrial tiericide will include tanking and turrets & launchers for the racial industrials. Stack up 5x Large Blasters or 5x HAM IIs on that Badger, and make it a REAL Battle Badger!!! Really, it's true. Yeah. I heard it from a guy that knows a guy that was once a BOBbie before defecting to the Goonies, who knew a chick who was dating a guy who knew a chick at CCP. "Blow it all on Quafe and strippers." --- Sorlac
Liang Nuren Heretic Army Heretic Initiative 3708	Posted - 2013.05.24 17:10:00 - [16] - Quote Tsukino Stareine wrote: I would like the muninn to be faster and more agile with a bit more PG to support an artillery kiting style. I would like the eagle to turn into a HAM specialised brawler and the cerb turned into a rail ship with tracking bonuses so it can give caldari pilots an alternative to the vaga Zealot is fine as is and the sacrilege i dont really have any opinions about Ishtar needs it's bonus to hybrids changed to something more useful and the bonus to scout drone control range (rofl) changed into something more useful too. Drone mwd speed plus drone tracking would make a lot more sense. Deimos needs to actually be better than a thorax, the cap bonus for mwd was changed on the thorax, it should be changed on the deimos too. The falloff bonus for a blaster hull is utterly useless, that needs to be be a doubled up tracking bonus or damage bonus. What the **** is this post? Turn the Eagle into a HAM brawler and the Cerb into a rail ship? The Sacrilege is fine? The falloff bonus is useless on the Deimos? Christ, do you play Eve or do you just shitpost? I thought E-Uni had a policy against letting noobs talk in public? -Liang Normally on 5:00 -> 9-10:00 Eve (Aus TZ?) Blog: http://liangnuren.wordpress.com PVP Videos: http://www.youtube.com/user/LiangNuren/videos Twitter: http://twitter.com/LiangNuren
Tsukino Stareine EVE University Ivy League 229	Posted - 2013.05.24 17:18:00 - [17] - Quote Liang Nuren wrote: Tsukino Stareine wrote: I would like the muninn to be faster and more agile with a bit more PG to support an artillery kiting style. I would like the eagle to turn into a HAM specialised brawler and the cerb turned into a rail ship with tracking bonuses so it can give caldari pilots an alternative to the vaga Zealot is fine as is and the sacrilege i dont really have any opinions about Ishtar needs it's bonus to hybrids changed to something more useful and the bonus to scout drone control range (rofl) changed into something more useful too. Drone mwd speed plus drone tracking would make a lot more sense. Deimos needs to actually be better than a thorax, the cap bonus for mwd was changed on the thorax, it should be changed on the deimos too. The falloff bonus for a blaster hull is utterly useless, that needs to be be a doubled up tracking bonus or damage bonus. What the **** is this post? Turn the Eagle into a HAM brawler and the Cerb into a rail ship? The Sacrilege is fine? The falloff bonus is useless on the Deimos? Christ, do you play Eve or do you just shitpost? I thought E-Uni had a policy against letting noobs talk in public? -Liang Next post in kind with this I will report you for harassment and non-constructive content. Forums are a place for discussion, not for personal attacks. I wouldn't mind the first part if you actually followed up with something educational, however it just seems like you have some kind of personal problem that doesn't need to be regurgitated on a public forum.
Liang Nuren Heretic Army Heretic Initiative 3708	Posted - 2013.05.24 17:23:00 - [18] - Quote Tsukino Stareine wrote: Next post in kind with this I will report you for harassment and non-constructive content. Forums are a place for discussion, not for personal attacks. I wouldn't mind the first part if you actually followed up with something educational, however it just seems like you have some kind of personal problem that doesn't need to be regurgitated on a public forum. I believe that asking whether you have any idea what you're talking about is actually valid constructive content. And, by the way, you do not. You would do well to listen for a little while, or perhaps play the game some. Because right now all you do is spew nonsense and bullshit into an otherwise helpful forum. Feel free to click the report button. Here, you can copy/paste this into the complaint box: " Hi, I am a total noob and have never ever opened up Eve before. I decided to post a lot of ~random words~ to the Eve forums and got told to STFU and HTFU. Mommy, please help! They are being mean to me! " -Liang Normally on 5:00 -> 9-10:00 Eve (Aus TZ?) Blog: http://liangnuren.wordpress.com PVP Videos: http://www.youtube.com/user/LiangNuren/videos Twitter: http://twitter.com/LiangNuren
Riot Girl Riot Club 940	Posted - 2013.05.24 17:41:00 - [19] - Quote Right now, HACs are kind of a non-class. I like HACs because I think they are very cool, but they're just not really that useful. T1 cruisers, for the most part, can do pretty much anything a HAC can do and for a lot cheaper. T3 cruisers can have ridiculously powerful combat performance as well as the ability to be customised to fill many different roles for a little bit more money. I think for HACs to really shine and stand out in their role, they need to be buffed to have combat performance closer to that of a T3 cruiser (probably not as powerful as a Tengu though because that is just broken). Mineral requirements should probably be increased to reflect their new status too (Maybe 250m isk hulls?). I think it would make HACs a lot more interesting and exciting and make them a far more desirable option, which is the whole point of tiericide, right? To be honest, I think buffing them to be as strong, or almost as strong as T3 cruisers in combat roles is the only way to make them worth using, otherwise they're just going to stay where they are right now - A cooler and more expensive alternative to a T1 cruiser. That's my opinion anyway, take it as you will. Oh god.
Hakaimono Stillwater Corporation That Escalated Quickly 142	Posted - 2013.05.24 17:56:00 - [20] - Quote Tsukino Stareine wrote: I would like the muninn to be faster and more agile with a bit more PG to support an artillery kiting style. I would like the eagle to turn into a HAM specialised brawler and the cerb turned into a rail ship with tracking bonuses so it can give caldari pilots an alternative to the vaga Zealot is fine as is and the sacrilege i dont really have any opinions about Ishtar needs it's bonus to hybrids changed to something more useful and the bonus to scout drone control range (rofl) changed into something more useful too. Drone mwd speed plus drone tracking would make a lot more sense. Deimos needs to actually be better than a thorax, the cap bonus for mwd was changed on the thorax, it should be changed on the deimos too. The falloff bonus for a blaster hull is utterly useless, that needs to be be a doubled up tracking bonus or damage bonus. Eagle should be the rail sniper. Sort of a tanky Naga with less range. Cerb should be the ham brawler. Slower but tankier than Caracal with a missile velocity and rof bonus. If you naming a ship after a three-headed hellhound, that beast needs to get close and nasty.
JAF Anders Quantum Cats Syndicate Samurai Pizza Cats 107	Posted - 2013.05.24 19:19:00 - [21] - Quote The issues with the Eagle stem from its terrible weapons platform. Medium Rails are, by and large, the runt of the litter.

ISD Dorrim Barstorlode ISD Community Communications Liaisons 2189	Posted - 2013.05.24 19:35:00 - [22] - Quote I have removed some off topic posts. Please keep it on topic and civil. Thank you. ISD Dorrim Barstorlode Captain Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs) Interstellar Services Department

Tsukino Stareine EVE University Ivy League 229	Posted - 2013.05.24 20:44:00 - [23] - Quote Hakaimono wrote: Tsukino Stareine wrote: I would like the muninn to be faster and more agile with a bit more PG to support an artillery kiting style. I would like the eagle to turn into a HAM specialised brawler and the cerb turned into a rail ship with tracking bonuses so it can give caldari pilots an alternative to the vaga Zealot is fine as is and the sacrilege i dont really have any opinions about Ishtar needs it's bonus to hybrids changed to something more useful and the bonus to scout drone control range (rofl) changed into something more useful too. Drone mwd speed plus drone tracking would make a lot more sense. Deimos needs to actually be better than a thorax, the cap bonus for mwd was changed on the thorax, it should be changed on the deimos too. The falloff bonus for a blaster hull is utterly useless, that needs to be be a doubled up tracking bonus or damage bonus. Eagle should be the rail sniper. Sort of a tanky Naga with less range. Cerb should be the ham brawler. Slower but tankier than Caracal with a missile velocity and rof bonus. If you naming a ship after a three-headed hellhound, that beast needs to get close and nasty. The moa hull just looks much more like a brawler to me :( i dont mind if it's switched up but those caldari hacs REALLY need looking into imo.
Ginger Barbarella Caldari Provisions Caldari State 1326	Posted - 2013.05.24 21:02:00 - [24] - Quote Hakaimono wrote: If you naming a ship after a three-headed hellhound, that beast needs to get close and nasty. I couldn't agree with this more. The Cerb should cause fear in the hearts of anyone staring it down, and instead people laugh. "Blow it all on Quafe and strippers." --- Sorlac
Ines Tegator Towels R Us 304	Posted - 2013.05.25 18:40:00 - [25] - Quote Bryla Jax wrote: Ines Tegator wrote: And then Tech 2. Command ships are up first (some of the basic changes are already posted, like the Eos basically becoming a t2 Myrmidon), then either HACs or BLOPS- again, I don't think there's an official confirmation yet. Do u have the link for the Eos discussion? It was back with the Navy BC announcement. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2866592#post2866592 - Mission Overhaul - Bridging the PVP / PVE Gap - -áIf the game stops teaching people to fear lowsec, maybe people will start going there?
Malcanis Vanishing Point. The Initiative. 9568	Posted - 2013.05.25 20:37:00 - [26] - Quote Maximus Andendare wrote: Will tiericide of tech 1 ships be complete on June 4 when Odyssey launches? Should we look forward to tech 2 during an Odyssey point release, or has CCP stated that some other things will need to be balanced before (industrials, freighters, capitals)? CCP have stated that the tiercide project will never be completed. 1 Kings 12:11
Mother Drone Transcendent Breed 2	Posted - 2013.05.25 21:36:00 - [27] - Quote Of course not. Attack BCs and T3s are so terrible potent that it's hard to find new roles for T2 ships. HACs had their role in the past: faster and more agile than T1 cruisers and battlecruisers while being significantly more expensive. T3s can everything and that very very good on top of it. Attack BCs? Yeah mounting 8x large weapons on a slow cruiser or fast battlecruiser T1 hull .... great idea . T1 frigs, cruisers, BCs and T3 are so strong and powerfull atm that it's not enough just to find new roles for most T2 ships (ha good luck finding or creating new roles for all those ships) ... they have to become plain and simple stronger.
Kalihira Interstellar Newcomers Inc. Home Front Coalition 11	Posted - 2013.05.28 11:06:00 - [28] - Quote HACs should become better at their role: highly mobile and resillient dps platforms. Some lack the dmg, some the fitting some the speed, and some are utterly broken (im looking @ you caldari!). Most don't need THAT much changing imo, just some ajustments.
Lloyd Roses Artificial Memories 92	Posted - 2013.05.28 11:16:00 - [29] - Quote Think the zealot is the one great HAC. All HACs should be on that level in their distinctive niche! I heard a rumor of a mwd-sig-bloom reduction... Is there a chance that some t2 ships are getting marauderised? (meaning half the turrets, twice the damage per turret) Think the resulting overheat performance should clearly set them apart.
DeadDuck The Legion of Spoon Curatores Veritatis Alliance 40	Posted - 2013.05.28 15:43:00 - [30] - Quote I hope they look at Hacs after this patch, some of them are completly outdated: Cerberus; Eagle; Sacrilege. Those are the most obvious cases. The sacrilege is the only hac out there not able to hit at more then 30-40Km without having to sacrifice one of the bonuses. TBH I would love it to see the bonuses extend to Heavy Missiles instead of just HAM's; The Cerberus also needs more PG/CPU and a completly revamp on bonuses. The Flight time bonus is not really worth it with insta warping probes; The poor eagle. Well that one really needs to be seen again from scratch. To slow, no drones etc. etc. etc. It's so outdated that I consider him on the list of "in danger species", since for ages I don't see one in space. Overall all the HACS need some urgent attention from CCP. The only one I consider still "on pair" is the ishtar and that only because of recent drones upgrade changes.

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