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Hassis	Posted - 2005.10.23 13:21:00 - [31] Originally by: Elenia Kheynes On the video some ships looks to be in the forcefield and getting attacked I'm not sure but... erm... Since when can you shoot ships that are within forcefield ? You're prolly gonna tell me much about game mechanics 'n stuff... I'd like to remind how devs described game mechanics on that poit: ships outside can't shoot ships inside and in exchange (a thing that was modified with the appearance of dreadnoughs) ships inside can't shoot ships outside either. I really don't like the smell of this thing... "If targetted outside the bubble, the locks stays on you when you enter the bubble UA Industry :: We produce frags
dimensionZ	Posted - 2005.10.23 13:22:00 - [32] BoB exploited nothing. BoB warped in, targeted, and killed battleships. If it's a bug, then CCP has to fix it, but nothing to do with us. ----------------------------------------
Elenia Kheynes	Posted - 2005.10.23 13:23:00 - [33] Originally by: j0sephine "On the video some ships looks to be in the forcefield and getting attacked I'm not sure but... erm... Since when can you shoot ships that are within forcefield ? You're prolly gonna tell me much about game mechanics 'n stuff..." Olyyy, reading the opening post ftw -.^ ""Half their fleet is outside the bubble" We turn as fast as we ever can, warping back at range..... their ships are running like mad for the bubble. We start toasting those outside, those entering into the bubble cannot do anything, they forgotten the groundrule "If targetted outside the bubble, the locks stays on you when you enter the bubble". It's a turkeyshoot, they get totally slaughtered." misread it o,- I still find this dirty ^^ And I have an extremly big doubt on the qualification of this "tactic" It's not because you know something ain't working the way it's supposed to do that you should use of this advantage. I find this would be like taking on a dreadnough sieging a CT with a logging trap. It's definitly dirty, whatever qualification you may get for it. Dear friendly customer... Can I have your money ?
Galaxion	Posted - 2005.10.23 13:23:00 - [34] Originally by: Elve Sorrow Aah, the things i'd do to hear the Imp TS chatter when this happened. gj. There is a (rather colourful) segment on the video ----------------------------------------- Sig exceeded max size. 400x120 pixels is max size allowed. -Kaemonn
Hassis	Posted - 2005.10.23 13:25:00 - [35] Originally by: Bizarre Hassis, it's a Molle post! What do you want to say? UA Industry :: We produce frags
dimensionZ	Posted - 2005.10.23 13:33:00 - [36] Originally by: Elenia Kheynes Originally by: j0sephine "On the video some ships looks to be in the forcefield and getting attacked I'm not sure but... erm... Since when can you shoot ships that are within forcefield ? You're prolly gonna tell me much about game mechanics 'n stuff..." Olyyy, reading the opening post ftw -.^ ""Half their fleet is outside the bubble" We turn as fast as we ever can, warping back at range..... their ships are running like mad for the bubble. We start toasting those outside, those entering into the bubble cannot do anything, they forgotten the groundrule "If targetted outside the bubble, the locks stays on you when you enter the bubble". It's a turkeyshoot, they get totally slaughtered." misread it o,- I still find this dirty ^^ And I have an extremly big doubt on the qualification of this "tactic" It's not because you know something ain't working the way it's supposed to do that you should use of this advantage. I find this would be like taking on a dreadnough sieging a CT with a logging trap. It's definitly dirty, whatever qualification you may get for it. You really think that we planned to do that ? Like, 2 days before "ok, if imp is just outside the bubble, we will keep the lock and kill them !!!! <evil laughs>". We came, we locked, we keep killing, what can we do about the bubble not breaking the lock ? You would unlock them because they are in a bubble ? If it wasnt designed to be like that, they will be reimbursed, i guess. ----------------------------------------
Dianabolic	Posted - 2005.10.23 13:36:00 - [37] Originally by: Elenia Kheynes It's not because you know something ain't working the way it's supposed to do that you should use of this advantage. HAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAH. 1 - it was unintended. 2 - I guess people will never use drones to cause lag again, right? Didn't think so.
Alasse Cuthalion	Posted - 2005.10.23 13:39:00 - [38] If the devs/GM's decide to set a precedent that FRAPS footage can be used for reimbursments I've got some highly interesting footage I'd like them to review again. kthx! Current RKK Ranking: (CAL12) Shogun
j0sephine	Posted - 2005.10.23 13:40:00 - [39] "It's not because you know something ain't working the way it's supposed to do that you should use of this advantage." Am not sure at this point how it's supposed to be working, to be honest. On one hand, i think there's mention very early, before the POS were actually introduced in the game that the defenders would be able to move into the bubble to take cover, which would imply the locks should break. On the other hand, this would be nearly exactly like the ol' docking in station in middle of the fight taking place right outside, repairing and undocking to fight more, rinse, repeat... which was modified by adding the aggression timer as it was found simply way overpowering. And it's not like CCP hasn't been aware of this particular part of game mechanics for a long time now... so it's more than possible things are done/left this way deliberately.
Nafri	Posted - 2005.10.23 13:46:00 - [40] Originally by: Elenia Kheynes On the video some ships looks to be in the forcefield and getting attacked I'm not sure but... erm... Since when can you shoot ships that are within forcefield ? You're prolly gonna tell me much about game mechanics 'n stuff... I'd like to remind how devs described game mechanics on that poit: ships outside can't shoot ships inside and in exchange (a thing that was modified with the appearance of dreadnoughs) ships inside can't shoot ships outside either. I really don't like the smell of this thing... prolly bug and thy get reimbused -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Put your panties on your head!
Dianabolic	Posted - 2005.10.23 13:50:00 - [41] Originally by: Nafri prolly bug and thy get reimbused It'll be interesting, if that is the case, how exactly they seperate those that were killed and never were inside the shields.
Deja Thoris	Posted - 2005.10.23 13:54:00 - [42] Originally by: Alasse Cuthalion If the devs/GM's decide to set a precedent that FRAPS footage can be used for reimbursments I've got some highly interesting footage I'd like them to review again. kthx! I doubt they can afford the bandwidth. We have a library too.
Rod Blaine	Posted - 2005.10.23 14:08:00 - [43] As far as I understand, from secondhand information, at least some of them already got reimbursed. Based on what I don't know, and I'm not about to go and discuss these subjects further in this otherwise delightfull thread. Like the man said, reimbursement is of little consequence in this case, the utter failure of their actions is. As to precedents being set, I don't really see where CCP has ever cared for setting stupid precedents tbh, the Shiva patchweek mass reimbursement kind of proved that a year ago already. _______________________________________________ Yes yes, blogging is passÚ I know. Rod's Ramblingz on Eve-Online Solutions to your issues.
Temi	Posted - 2005.10.23 14:19:00 - [44] Quote: We start toasting those outside, those entering into the bubble cannot do anything, they forgotten the groundrule "If targetted outside the bubble, the locks stays on you when you enter the bubble". It's a turkeyshoot, they get totally slaughtered. Theres just somethign about the way thats worded, that makes it sound like you used it purposely :P And secondly, you not losing a lock when the target moves into the pos bubble IS a bug. Spelling errors ahoy..
Temi	Posted - 2005.10.23 14:26:00 - [45] Originally by: dimensionZ BoB exploited nothing. BoB warped in, targeted, and killed battleships. If it's a bug, then CCP has to fix it, but nothing to do with us. assuming you know its a bug(not saying you did tho), but still use/abuse it, you are by definition exploiting so what you are saying is kinda simplified :O Spelling errors ahoy..
Rod Blaine	Posted - 2005.10.23 14:32:00 - [46] Originally by: Temi Originally by: dimensionZ BoB exploited nothing. BoB warped in, targeted, and killed battleships. If it's a bug, then CCP has to fix it, but nothing to do with us. assuming you know its a bug(not saying you did tho), but still use/abuse it, you are by definition exploiting so what you are saying is kinda simplified :O Not really. The definition of an exploit is the usage of a known bug in the game software to do stuff that is not supposed to be done, or not supposed to be done in that way. The last part is questionable in this instance, nor did we know of this bug, nor is it possible to see wether someone is in or outside a bubble at all time during a fleet fight. Let's leave it at that for now. I'm sure CCP will ventilate their opinion on the matter tothose concerned, who will undoubtedly inform the curious masses in due course. _______________________________________________ Yes yes, blogging is passÚ I know. Rod's Ramblingz on Eve-Online Solutions to your issues.
Stratego	Posted - 2005.10.23 14:33:00 - [47] Originally by: Temi Originally by: dimensionZ BoB exploited nothing. BoB warped in, targeted, and killed battleships. If it's a bug, then CCP has to fix it, but nothing to do with us. assuming you know its a bug(not saying you did tho), but still use/abuse it, you are by definition exploiting so what you are saying is kinda simplified :O So if you were in a fleet battle and someone entered the bubble of a POS would you go "GUYS UNLOCK THEM THEY ARE IN BUBBLE!"? Dont really think so Mr. BOB are BOB 5 are BOB and together we make BOOBIE5.
Xealot	Posted - 2005.10.23 14:36:00 - [48] Great job guys, it was a pleasure working with you. I had fun all the way and taking out those 3 POSs on the same day was fun. More to come my friends, the war with IMP has just started -------------------------- Podding is imminent
NAFnist	Posted - 2005.10.23 14:41:00 - [49] It sounds like a bug, if it keeps going on I would say it exploiting. Being the first to do it unintentionally isnt an offence imo.
Calendril	Posted - 2005.10.23 14:46:00 - [50] Gr8 job and nicely written Molle Was fun and an honour to be part of it..
Righteous Fury	Posted - 2005.10.23 14:53:00 - [51] Well done guys. I'd like to point out that Omni-Core Freedom Fighters played a larger role in this than Slackers did, so most of the respect and congratulations should go to them.
Temi	Posted - 2005.10.23 14:53:00 - [52] Originally by: Stratego Originally by: Temi Originally by: dimensionZ BoB exploited nothing. BoB warped in, targeted, and killed battleships. If it's a bug, then CCP has to fix it, but nothing to do with us. assuming you know its a bug(not saying you did tho), but still use/abuse it, you are by definition exploiting so what you are saying is kinda simplified :O So if you were in a fleet battle and someone entered the bubble of a POS would you go "GUYS UNLOCK THEM THEY ARE IN BUBBLE!"? Dont really think so Mr. do you even have a point? Spelling errors ahoy..
Dianabolic	Posted - 2005.10.23 14:57:00 - [53] Originally by: NAFnist ...if it keeps going on I would say it exploiting. We will NOT be even LOOKING for ships to go inside a shield if we're engaging them. The ONLY way we will unlock a target is if the game unlocks it for us. The FC's have more than enough to deal with without watching where the boundary of a bubble is.
Stratego	Posted - 2005.10.23 14:57:00 - [54] Originally by: Temi Originally by: Stratego Originally by: Temi Originally by: dimensionZ BoB exploited nothing. BoB warped in, targeted, and killed battleships. If it's a bug, then CCP has to fix it, but nothing to do with us. assuming you know its a bug(not saying you did tho), but still use/abuse it, you are by definition exploiting so what you are saying is kinda simplified :O So if you were in a fleet battle and someone entered the bubble of a POS would you go "GUYS UNLOCK THEM THEY ARE IN BUBBLE!"? Dont really think so Mr. do you even have a point? Points there you are just missing it. BOB are BOB 5 are BOB and together we make BOOBIE5.
Temi	Posted - 2005.10.23 15:00:00 - [55] Originally by: Rod Blaine Originally by: Temi Originally by: dimensionZ BoB exploited nothing. BoB warped in, targeted, and killed battleships. If it's a bug, then CCP has to fix it, but nothing to do with us. assuming you know its a bug(not saying you did tho), but still use/abuse it, you are by definition exploiting so what you are saying is kinda simplified :O Not really. The definition of an exploit is the usage of a known bug in the game software to do stuff that is not supposed to be done, or not supposed to be done in that way. The last part is questionable in this instance, nor did we know of this bug, nor is it possible to see wether someone is in or outside a bubble at all time during a fleet fight. Let's leave it at that for now. I'm sure CCP will ventilate their opinion on the matter tothose concerned, who will undoubtedly inform the curious masses in due course. ok? you say im wrong, but then define an exploit as the same i did, except you use some other words so it sounds different, while it infact says the same... and how is it not possible to see if they are within the bubble or not? are you completely blind? i never have a problem seeing where the enemy is when i fight... Spelling errors ahoy..
Fi T'Zeh	Posted - 2005.10.23 15:01:00 - [56] When you play soccer, you wait for the ref to blow his whistle before stopping play. ....
Temi	Posted - 2005.10.23 15:02:00 - [57] Originally by: Stratego Originally by: Temi Originally by: Stratego Originally by: Temi Originally by: dimensionZ BoB exploited nothing. BoB warped in, targeted, and killed battleships. If it's a bug, then CCP has to fix it, but nothing to do with us. assuming you know its a bug(not saying you did tho), but still use/abuse it, you are by definition exploiting so what you are saying is kinda simplified :O So if you were in a fleet battle and someone entered the bubble of a POS would you go "GUYS UNLOCK THEM THEY ARE IN BUBBLE!"? Dont really think so Mr. do you even have a point? Points there you are just missing it. your 'point' has absolutely nothing to do with what i said tho... Spelling errors ahoy..
Romulus Maximus	Posted - 2005.10.23 15:03:00 - [58] Was a real honour tsking part in this awesome day. I missed a lot of it, but i know we owe most of the success to the suicide pilots that were their first thing. GG to everyone involved And please,lay off the omgbobsploiters remarks. We cant predict what IMP would do,we simply played the game as we always do.
Luc Boye	Posted - 2005.10.23 15:04:00 - [59] It is not an exploit since Molle is actually a GM and TomB's big brother.
j0sephine	Posted - 2005.10.23 15:07:00 - [60] "and how is it not possible to see if they are within the bubble or not? are you completely blind? i never have a problem seeing where the enemy is when i fight..." How exactly do you tell if they're 15 or 16 km away from the control tower..? Because that's pretty much the difference between being in and out...

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