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SirMolle
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Posted - 2005.10.23 12:15:00 -
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Slowly the world turns, day by day. Each day like the other... with a few exceptions. This was a exception.
The day starts early, local time 9 am, global evetime 7 am. And it was expected, we just didnt know exactly when and who would try it first. A POS takeover. One of our stations in Delve gets compromised. A hostile fleet of ~40 pilots, several industrials, and a freighter. Someone is going for a POS invasion. It's Imperium along with UnAssociated. A small force from Exuros Mortis is in the area, scouting it with their 6 interceptors. The call is sent. "Hostile takeover in progress, move."
About a hour later, Exuro Mortis are fighting madly with their 6 interceptors to harass the hostile fleet and delay them, while we gathhr upp a small fleet from fountain, aridia, delve. Exuro Mortis with Slackers at the helm do the impossible and downs a armageddon and some industrials, industrials are the key. The hostile POS's being erected wont be able to have all their gear, fuel. All cans from the industrials are destroyed without a blink. Slackers and Exuro... respect.
Our little fleet of ~10 bships and random others finally makes it into the target system after a little manouvering. 1 large POS has been anchored, another is going up, a third is being deployed, all large towers. Our fleet prepares to rush them. Covert ops are looking all over, watching the POS's. Finally we get the call.
"The POS is online in 3 minutes, their whole fleet is there"
Quick count of hostiles, quick grouping, they have 18 battleships... this is going to hurt, but it doesnt matter, no ones knocks down our door. At this instance, ganglader makes a fatal mistake, and warps the gang to a planet instead of the moon where the POS is. Total confusion "WTF, where are they??", "Planet, we're at wrong place", "POS online in 35 seconds", "fck align fast".
We warp in. Everything is red. "THE POS IS ONLINE". We're inside the bubble... the POS has no password, we're inside, we cant touch anything. We warp out. "Half their fleet is outside the bubble" We turn as fast as we ever can, warping back at range..... their ships are running like mad for the bubble. We start toasting those outside, those entering into the bubble cannot do anything, they forgotten the groundrule "If targetted outside the bubble, the locks stays on you when you enter the bubble". It's a turkeyshoot, they get totally slaughtered. Since we never frapsed any of this, i'll simpy use IMP's own video to show you the utter confusion....
The fleet is gone, dead, out of 3 large POS being setup, 1 is offline, 1 is online without guns, a third is online with large artilly. We go mad. As downtime comes, the first POS is halfdead. After downtime, the last part of the first POS is toasted.
2 large POS remains. 1 with lots of large guns, 1 with 1 large gun. We tank the 2nd POS, but 1 gun isnt enough.... it dies without strontium in it.
1 large POS remains. large guns... We decide to tank it.
For those of you who have tried tanking large guns..... you know. For those who dont;
 Quote:
[RONA]<IMP> strikes you perfectly, wrecking for 12602.0 damage
2 battleships are instakilled at the POS without warning.. they just disappear. We decide to stay and try and tank it despite this.
4 hours later, we have killed our 3rd large POS for the day without any more losses.
IMP have been screaming exploit at us the whole day... They messed up and forgot a password on the POS, and got roasted trying to make a run for the bubble. We care less if they get their stuff back from petitions or not, its not important.
Imperium and UnAssociated tried to do a POS invasion at our backdoor, and paid the price. They tried running for a quick sov takeover just prior to downtime. Everything they tried failed, and at the end of the day...
No takeover is welcome our backdoor, please come again. Anytime.
Have a nice day gentlemen.
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Dell
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Posted - 2005.10.23 12:24:00 -
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Edited by: Dell on 23/10/2005 12:24:29
Was the best saturday morning ive had in a long time on eve, gg all involed
RN Killboard
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Dr Screamm
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Posted - 2005.10.23 12:24:00 -
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Priceless day 
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Dracorimus
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Posted - 2005.10.23 12:26:00 -
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yes indeed, waking to the sound of "get your ass into mo-" then pwning all day was great.
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Greme
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Posted - 2005.10.23 12:29:00 -
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Sounded a fun time :) Pitty I was doing other stuff throughout the day :/
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Marcsen
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Posted - 2005.10.23 12:29:00 -
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Great read, well written.
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Stratego
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Posted - 2005.10.23 12:30:00 -
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Missed the initial slaughter but spent the coming ~13hours taking POS's down wich we did. :) Good job all! :D
BOB are BOB 5 are BOB and together we make BOOBIE5. |
Velsharoon
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Posted - 2005.10.23 12:30:00 -
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Sounds fun, good to hear your side of it and well done
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Liquid Metal
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Posted - 2005.10.23 12:35:00 -
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I'm just gutted i missed the initial battle. But it was a great job all round. POS Killing 4tw.
"A strong man stands tall against all others, everything else is just a delusion for the weak.."
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Avon
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Posted - 2005.10.23 12:37:00 -
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You mean we don't have a superspankyshootpeopleatpossploit?
Aw man 
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Astarte Nosferatu
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Posted - 2005.10.23 12:39:00 -
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Would have been a better read if Istvaan or someone equally good wrote it for you.
I'm sure Imperium will learn from this and do it good next time...
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Magis
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Posted - 2005.10.23 12:40:00 -
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Very exciting story and job well done
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voodoo
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Posted - 2005.10.23 12:42:00 -
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Edited by: voodoo on 23/10/2005 12:42:55
its great to be us! sux to be you!
The Blue Pills Aren't Working Anymore
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Galaxion
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Posted - 2005.10.23 12:49:00 -
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I'm so angry i SLEPT IN and missed the action :(
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Hassis
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Posted - 2005.10.23 12:49:00 -
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Looks like you wrote ****load of bestsellers in your previous life :)
I will never hire you for writing stories about Red Alliance tho - too much bragging Sir Mole :/
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Avon
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Posted - 2005.10.23 12:53:00 -
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Originally by: Hassis
Looks like you wrote ****load of bestsellers in your previous life :)
I will never hire you for writing stories about Red Alliance tho - too much bragging Sir Mole :/
Maybe it is just that BoB have stuff to brag about?
Maybe not.
Who knows?
Who cares?
Who dares to wonder?
If anything, this is a bit of a compliment to Red Alliance - Imp tried to copy them, and failed. It shows that you guys are the POS war kings!! (For what that's worth).
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Tiki Rar
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Posted - 2005.10.23 12:53:00 -
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Good story. was good fun too
Father of the BumpageddonÖ
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Fred0
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Posted - 2005.10.23 12:59:00 -
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Nice Story, the outcome was a shame though  But that's just personal preference I guess :)
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Hassis
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Posted - 2005.10.23 12:59:00 -
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Edited by: Hassis on 23/10/2005 13:02:22
Originally by: Avon
Originally by: Hassis
Looks like you wrote ****load of bestsellers in your previous life :)
I will never hire you for writing stories about Red Alliance tho - too much bragging Sir Mole :/
Maybe it is just that BoB have stuff to brag about?
Maybe not.
Who knows?
Who cares?
Who dares to wonder?
If anything, this is a bit of a compliment to Red Alliance - Imp tried to copy them, and failed. It shows that you guys are the POS war kings!! (For what that's worth).
Just want you to know - bragging about every killed POS is no good :)
but BoB's comments like "its great to be us! sux to be you!" make sence )))
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Kaeten
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Posted - 2005.10.23 13:00:00 -
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heh i was in empire shopping
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Avon
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Posted - 2005.10.23 13:02:00 -
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Originally by: Hassis
Just want you to know - bragging about every killed POS is no good :)
Yeah, I agree.
However, I think this is more a reply to the accusations made about how we did this, rather than the act itself.
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Yuki Li
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Posted - 2005.10.23 13:02:00 -
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Large Artillery PoS guns hurt more than your feelings... Getting slapped by those is worrying sometimes.
http://omerta.killboard.net
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Hassis
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Posted - 2005.10.23 13:05:00 -
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Edited by: Hassis on 23/10/2005 13:05:40
Originally by: Avon
Originally by: Hassis
Just want you to know - bragging about every killed POS is no good :)
Yeah, I agree.
However, I think this is more a reply to the accusations made about how we did this, rather than the act itself.
Ok-Ok i wash my hands of it :)
Thumbs up guys, but dont throw back your head too much ))
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Bizarre
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Posted - 2005.10.23 13:07:00 -
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Hassis, it's a Molle post!
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Dianabolic
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Posted - 2005.10.23 13:07:00 -
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Originally by: Hassis
Just want you to know - bragging about every killed POS is no good :)
So true, it's also no good to scream exploit every time something doesn't go your way. Anybody that continues to do so will find themselves teleported in to the middle of an asteroid.
/TomB
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dimensionZ
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Posted - 2005.10.23 13:09:00 -
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Edited by: dimensionZ on 23/10/2005 13:08:54
You can find the link to the video on reikoku forums.
http://www.reikoku.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=6632
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GFLTorque
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Posted - 2005.10.23 13:09:00 -
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Excellent read.
Did anyone hear someone say "Mommy?" in local?
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Chowdown
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Posted - 2005.10.23 13:14:00 -
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Love that fraps. 
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Aldrichy
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Posted - 2005.10.23 13:18:00 -
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Originally by: Avon
Originally by: Hassis
Just want you to know - bragging about every killed POS is no good :)
Yeah, I agree.
However, I think this is more a reply to the accusations made about how we did this, rather than the act itself.
Though I can only applause to SirMolle for this great read and BoB for the fast response I still think it is a bug.
CCP was not able to program the way shields work so it doesn't need the workaround of targetting/locking. (I mean the proper way would be that Damage aimed at objects inside the shield would be stopped but EVE just isn't designed that way)
Now there is this bug that stuff that was locked outside doesn't lose it's lock once it passes the barrier. And BoB deliberatedly exploited this (if they discovered it just yesterday or earlier doesn't matter).
I don't think thats stuff to brag about.
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j0sephine
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Posted - 2005.10.23 13:20:00 -
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"On the video some ships looks to be in the forcefield and getting attacked 
I'm not sure but... erm... Since when can you shoot ships that are within forcefield ?
You're prolly gonna tell me much about game mechanics 'n stuff..."
Olyyy, reading the opening post ftw -.^
""Half their fleet is outside the bubble" We turn as fast as we ever can, warping back at range..... their ships are running like mad for the bubble. We start toasting those outside, those entering into the bubble cannot do anything, they forgotten the groundrule "If targetted outside the bubble, the locks stays on you when you enter the bubble". It's a turkeyshoot, they get totally slaughtered."
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Hassis
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Posted - 2005.10.23 13:21:00 -
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Originally by: Elenia Kheynes
On the video some ships looks to be in the forcefield and getting attacked
I'm not sure but... erm... Since when can you shoot ships that are within forcefield ?
You're prolly gonna tell me much about game mechanics 'n stuff...
I'd like to remind how devs described game mechanics on that poit: ships outside can't shoot ships inside and in exchange (a thing that was modified with the appearance of dreadnoughs) ships inside can't shoot ships outside either.
I really don't like the smell of this thing...
"If targetted outside the bubble, the locks stays on you when you enter the bubble
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dimensionZ
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Posted - 2005.10.23 13:22:00 -
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BoB exploited nothing. BoB warped in, targeted, and killed battleships. If it's a bug, then CCP has to fix it, but nothing to do with us.
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Elenia Kheynes
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Posted - 2005.10.23 13:23:00 -
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Originally by: j0sephine
"On the video some ships looks to be in the forcefield and getting attacked
I'm not sure but... erm... Since when can you shoot ships that are within forcefield ?
You're prolly gonna tell me much about game mechanics 'n stuff..."
Olyyy, reading the opening post ftw -.^
""Half their fleet is outside the bubble" We turn as fast as we ever can, warping back at range..... their ships are running like mad for the bubble. We start toasting those outside, those entering into the bubble cannot do anything, they forgotten the groundrule "If targetted outside the bubble, the locks stays on you when you enter the bubble". It's a turkeyshoot, they get totally slaughtered."
misread it o,-
I still find this dirty ^^ And I have an extremly big doubt on the qualification of this "tactic"
It's not because you know something ain't working the way it's supposed to do that you should use of this advantage. I find this would be like taking on a dreadnough sieging a CT with a logging trap. It's definitly dirty, whatever qualification you may get for it.
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Galaxion
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Posted - 2005.10.23 13:23:00 -
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Originally by: Elve Sorrow
Aah, the things i'd do to hear the Imp TS chatter when this happened.
gj.
There is a (rather colourful) segment on the video
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Hassis
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Posted - 2005.10.23 13:25:00 -
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Originally by: Bizarre
Hassis, it's a Molle post!
What do you want to say? 
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dimensionZ
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Posted - 2005.10.23 13:33:00 -
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Originally by: Elenia Kheynes
Originally by: j0sephine
"On the video some ships looks to be in the forcefield and getting attacked
I'm not sure but... erm... Since when can you shoot ships that are within forcefield ?
You're prolly gonna tell me much about game mechanics 'n stuff..."
Olyyy, reading the opening post ftw -.^
""Half their fleet is outside the bubble" We turn as fast as we ever can, warping back at range..... their ships are running like mad for the bubble. We start toasting those outside, those entering into the bubble cannot do anything, they forgotten the groundrule "If targetted outside the bubble, the locks stays on you when you enter the bubble". It's a turkeyshoot, they get totally slaughtered."
misread it o,-
I still find this dirty ^^ And I have an extremly big doubt on the qualification of this "tactic"
It's not because you know something ain't working the way it's supposed to do that you should use of this advantage. I find this would be like taking on a dreadnough sieging a CT with a logging trap. It's definitly dirty, whatever qualification you may get for it.
You really think that we planned to do that ? Like, 2 days before "ok, if imp is just outside the bubble, we will keep the lock and kill them !!!! <evil laughs>".
We came, we locked, we keep killing, what can we do about the bubble not breaking the lock ? You would unlock them because they are in a bubble ?
If it wasnt designed to be like that, they will be reimbursed, i guess.
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Dianabolic
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Posted - 2005.10.23 13:36:00 -
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Originally by: Elenia Kheynes
It's not because you know something ain't working the way it's supposed to do that you should use of this advantage.
HAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAH.
1 - it was unintended.
2 - I guess people will never use drones to cause lag again, right? Didn't think so.
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Alasse Cuthalion
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Posted - 2005.10.23 13:39:00 -
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If the devs/GM's decide to set a precedent that FRAPS footage can be used for reimbursments I've got some highly interesting footage I'd like them to review again.
kthx!
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j0sephine
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Posted - 2005.10.23 13:40:00 -
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"It's not because you know something ain't working the way it's supposed to do that you should use of this advantage."
Am not sure at this point how it's supposed to be working, to be honest. On one hand, i think there's mention very early, before the POS were actually introduced in the game that the defenders would be able to move into the bubble to take cover, which would imply the locks should break. On the other hand, this would be nearly exactly like the ol' docking in station in middle of the fight taking place right outside, repairing and undocking to fight more, rinse, repeat... which was modified by adding the aggression timer as it was found simply way overpowering. And it's not like CCP hasn't been aware of this particular part of game mechanics for a long time now... so it's more than possible things are done/left this way deliberately.
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Nafri
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Posted - 2005.10.23 13:46:00 -
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Originally by: Elenia Kheynes
On the video some ships looks to be in the forcefield and getting attacked
I'm not sure but... erm... Since when can you shoot ships that are within forcefield ?
You're prolly gonna tell me much about game mechanics 'n stuff...
I'd like to remind how devs described game mechanics on that poit: ships outside can't shoot ships inside and in exchange (a thing that was modified with the appearance of dreadnoughs) ships inside can't shoot ships outside either.
I really don't like the smell of this thing...
prolly bug and thy get reimbused 
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Dianabolic
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Posted - 2005.10.23 13:50:00 -
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Originally by: Nafri
prolly bug and thy get reimbused
It'll be interesting, if that is the case, how exactly they seperate those that were killed and never were inside the shields.
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Deja Thoris
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Posted - 2005.10.23 13:54:00 -
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Originally by: Alasse Cuthalion
If the devs/GM's decide to set a precedent that FRAPS footage can be used for reimbursments I've got some highly interesting footage I'd like them to review again.
kthx!
I doubt they can afford the bandwidth. We have a library too.
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Rod Blaine
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Posted - 2005.10.23 14:08:00 -
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As far as I understand, from secondhand information, at least some of them already got reimbursed.
Based on what I don't know, and I'm not about to go and discuss these subjects further in this otherwise delightfull thread.
Like the man said, reimbursement is of little consequence in this case, the utter failure of their actions is.
As to precedents being set, I don't really see where CCP has ever cared for setting stupid precedents tbh, the Shiva patchweek mass reimbursement kind of proved that a year ago already.
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Temi
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Posted - 2005.10.23 14:19:00 -
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Quote:
We start toasting those outside, those entering into the bubble cannot do anything, they forgotten the groundrule "If targetted outside the bubble, the locks stays on you when you enter the bubble". It's a turkeyshoot, they get totally slaughtered.
Theres just somethign about the way thats worded, that makes it sound like you used it purposely :P
And secondly, you not losing a lock when the target moves into the pos bubble IS a bug.
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Temi
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Posted - 2005.10.23 14:26:00 -
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Originally by: dimensionZ
BoB exploited nothing. BoB warped in, targeted, and killed battleships. If it's a bug, then CCP has to fix it, but nothing to do with us.
assuming you know its a bug(not saying you did tho), but still use/abuse it, you are by definition exploiting 
so what you are saying is kinda simplified :O
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Rod Blaine
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Posted - 2005.10.23 14:32:00 -
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Originally by: Temi
Originally by: dimensionZ
BoB exploited nothing. BoB warped in, targeted, and killed battleships. If it's a bug, then CCP has to fix it, but nothing to do with us.
assuming you know its a bug(not saying you did tho), but still use/abuse it, you are by definition exploiting
so what you are saying is kinda simplified :O
Not really.
The definition of an exploit is the usage of a known bug in the game software to do stuff that is not supposed to be done, or not supposed to be done in that way.
The last part is questionable in this instance, nor did we know of this bug, nor is it possible to see wether someone is in or outside a bubble at all time during a fleet fight.
Let's leave it at that for now. I'm sure CCP will ventilate their opinion on the matter tothose concerned, who will undoubtedly inform the curious masses in due course.
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Stratego
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Posted - 2005.10.23 14:33:00 -
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Originally by: Temi
Originally by: dimensionZ
BoB exploited nothing. BoB warped in, targeted, and killed battleships. If it's a bug, then CCP has to fix it, but nothing to do with us.
assuming you know its a bug(not saying you did tho), but still use/abuse it, you are by definition exploiting
so what you are saying is kinda simplified :O
So if you were in a fleet battle and someone entered the bubble of a POS would you go "GUYS UNLOCK THEM THEY ARE IN BUBBLE!"?
Dont really think so Mr.
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Xealot
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Posted - 2005.10.23 14:36:00 -
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Great job guys, it was a pleasure working with you.
I had fun all the way and taking out those 3 POSs on the same day was
fun.
More to come my friends, the war with IMP has just started
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NAFnist
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Posted - 2005.10.23 14:41:00 -
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It sounds like a bug, if it keeps going on I would say it exploiting. Being the first to do it unintentionally isnt an offence imo.
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Calendril
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Posted - 2005.10.23 14:46:00 -
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Gr8 job and nicely written Molle
Was fun and an honour to be part of it..
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Righteous Fury
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Posted - 2005.10.23 14:53:00 -
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Well done guys. I'd like to point out that Omni-Core Freedom Fighters played a larger role in this than Slackers did, so most of the respect and congratulations should go to them.
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Temi
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Posted - 2005.10.23 14:53:00 -
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Originally by: Stratego
Originally by: Temi
Originally by: dimensionZ
BoB exploited nothing. BoB warped in, targeted, and killed battleships. If it's a bug, then CCP has to fix it, but nothing to do with us.
assuming you know its a bug(not saying you did tho), but still use/abuse it, you are by definition exploiting
so what you are saying is kinda simplified :O
So if you were in a fleet battle and someone entered the bubble of a POS would you go "GUYS UNLOCK THEM THEY ARE IN BUBBLE!"?
Dont really think so Mr.
do you even have a point?
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Dianabolic
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Posted - 2005.10.23 14:57:00 -
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Originally by: NAFnist
...if it keeps going on I would say it exploiting.
We will NOT be even LOOKING for ships to go inside a shield if we're engaging them. The ONLY way we will unlock a target is if the game unlocks it for us. The FC's have more than enough to deal with without watching where the boundary of a bubble is.
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Stratego
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Posted - 2005.10.23 14:57:00 -
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Originally by: Temi
Originally by: Stratego
Originally by: Temi
Originally by: dimensionZ
BoB exploited nothing. BoB warped in, targeted, and killed battleships. If it's a bug, then CCP has to fix it, but nothing to do with us.
assuming you know its a bug(not saying you did tho), but still use/abuse it, you are by definition exploiting
so what you are saying is kinda simplified :O
So if you were in a fleet battle and someone entered the bubble of a POS would you go "GUYS UNLOCK THEM THEY ARE IN BUBBLE!"?
Dont really think so Mr.
do you even have a point?
Points there you are just missing it.
BOB are BOB 5 are BOB and together we make BOOBIE5. |
Temi
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Posted - 2005.10.23 15:00:00 -
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Originally by: Rod Blaine
Originally by: Temi
Originally by: dimensionZ
BoB exploited nothing. BoB warped in, targeted, and killed battleships. If it's a bug, then CCP has to fix it, but nothing to do with us.
assuming you know its a bug(not saying you did tho), but still use/abuse it, you are by definition exploiting
so what you are saying is kinda simplified :O
Not really.
The definition of an exploit is the usage of a known bug in the game software to do stuff that is not supposed to be done, or not supposed to be done in that way.
The last part is questionable in this instance, nor did we know of this bug, nor is it possible to see wether someone is in or outside a bubble at all time during a fleet fight.
Let's leave it at that for now. I'm sure CCP will ventilate their opinion on the matter tothose concerned, who will undoubtedly inform the curious masses in due course.
ok? you say im wrong, but then define an exploit as the same i did, except you use some other words so it sounds different, while it infact says the same...
and how is it not possible to see if they are within the bubble or not? are you completely blind? i never have a problem seeing where the enemy is when i fight...
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Fi T'Zeh
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Posted - 2005.10.23 15:01:00 -
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When you play soccer, you wait for the ref to blow his whistle before stopping play.
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Temi
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Posted - 2005.10.23 15:02:00 -
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Originally by: Stratego
Originally by: Temi
Originally by: Stratego
Originally by: Temi
Originally by: dimensionZ
BoB exploited nothing. BoB warped in, targeted, and killed battleships. If it's a bug, then CCP has to fix it, but nothing to do with us.
assuming you know its a bug(not saying you did tho), but still use/abuse it, you are by definition exploiting
so what you are saying is kinda simplified :O
So if you were in a fleet battle and someone entered the bubble of a POS would you go "GUYS UNLOCK THEM THEY ARE IN BUBBLE!"?
Dont really think so Mr.
do you even have a point?
Points there you are just missing it.
your 'point' has absolutely nothing to do with what i said tho...
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Romulus Maximus
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Posted - 2005.10.23 15:03:00 -
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Was a real honour tsking part in this awesome day. I missed a lot of it, but i know we owe most of the success to the suicide pilots that were their first thing.
GG to everyone involved
And please,lay off the omgbobsploiters remarks. We cant predict what IMP would do,we simply played the game as we always do.
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Luc Boye
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Posted - 2005.10.23 15:04:00 -
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It is not an exploit since Molle is actually a GM and TomB's big brother.
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j0sephine
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Posted - 2005.10.23 15:07:00 -
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"and how is it not possible to see if they are within the bubble or not? are you completely blind? i never have a problem seeing where the enemy is when i fight..."
How exactly do you tell if they're 15 or 16 km away from the control tower..? Because that's pretty much the difference between being in and out...
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Kirex
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Posted - 2005.10.23 15:10:00 -
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:D
owned.
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Rod Blaine
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Posted - 2005.10.23 15:11:00 -
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Temi, get a grip.
I can't be arsed to explain to someone so clearly on a collision course with whatever I'm going to say anyway, but let's indulge you for once then.
My definition includes three variables yours did not:
- intention
- desirability of the ability the bug gives
- possibility of avoiding it
In this case, the first is discutable at worst (for us). In my mind there's no qeustion wetehr or not we were sitting there hoping to catch a bug so we could kill some more. I don't doubt that your mind feels any more doubt but hey, like I said, collision course set huh ?
Desirability is up to CCP.
There is little possibility to avoid this bug in combat tbh.
I can go sit right at the edge of a bubble, are you going to check (as attacking party) wether I'm just inside or just outside whever your turrets hoot each and every time ?
In a fleet fight ?
So, let's stop supposing stuff all around here and stick to the subject. IMP tried pulling the pos-just-before-dt-sovereignty bug use on us and failed. They got to lose what they took into our space and we got to spend our day shooting control towers. End of message.
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Elenia Kheynes
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Posted - 2005.10.23 15:24:00 -
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Edited by: Elenia Kheynes on 23/10/2005 15:25:28
"Traveling through a force field in either direction will break target lock as originally intended. "
http://myeve.eve-online.com/updates/patchnotes.asp?patchlogID=150
I had that feeling when I saw that fraps footage "wasn't it a fixed bug?"
There is something weird I'd like an explaination on: the ships getting shot at on fraps are very inside of forcefield. I mean by this that the ship which took the footage for example didn't have an mwd... so how did he manage to go that close to the CT ??
To quote Sir Molle: they forgotten the groundrule "If targetted outside the bubble, the locks stays on you when you enter the bubble".
In this case I don't see how the arma which took the fraps footage managed to go that close from the CT without mwd before getting shot at... (since according to his theory, the arma was outside the forcefield originaly)
So... question is still the same: how did you manage to target ships that were within forcefield ?
and second question would be for a dev: Wasn't it supposed to be a FIXED bug ?!!!!??? o,o;;;
There is nothing more annoying than CRAPPY and BUGGY game mechanics causing failures of operations that took time for players to organize.
Sir Molle can say whatever he wants, whatever tactic was used at that POS was extremly dirty. And I find a lil' too easy to blame only devs for it (although they definitly to blame as well).
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Dianabolic
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Posted - 2005.10.23 15:28:00 -
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Olyyy, stop *snip* . We went, we targetted, we shot.
That's dirty now?
Righto.
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Squelch
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Posted - 2005.10.23 15:33:00 -
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Well seeing as nobody else has bothered to say it, well done IMP for at least having a try.
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Elenia Kheynes
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Posted - 2005.10.23 15:40:00 -
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Edited by: Elenia Kheynes on 23/10/2005 15:40:46
Originally by: j0sephine
"and how is it not possible to see if they are within the bubble or not? are you completely blind? i never have a problem seeing where the enemy is when i fight..."
How exactly do you tell if they're 15 or 16 km away from the control tower..? Because that's pretty much the difference between being in and out...
A large CT has 30km forcefield radius o,-
Original post says it's a large CT so at 15 or 16 km from control tower you pretty damn inside the foccefield ^^
You may also move your camera to see whether ships are out or within forcefield.
Originally by: Dianabolic
Olyyy, stop being a retard. We went, we targetted, we shot.
That's dirty now?
Righto.
At least I don't need to insult people to try to make a point o,-
The way your plan was executed is suspicious. At least if I had been involved in this I would have known that what I was doing wasn't an "usual tactic" rather a dirty one. Is it so hard to admit you knew something was wrong ? ;p
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Dianabolic
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Posted - 2005.10.23 15:46:00 -
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Originally by: Elenia Kheynes
The way your plan was executed is suspicious. At least if I had been involved in this I would have known that what I was doing wasn't an "usual tactic" rather a dirty one. Is it so hard to admit you knew something was wrong ? ;p
The way we "executed" our plan was as we always do - with prejudice. You're claiming we "exploited" something, we didn't. We targetted, we fired, they died.
Nice that you're not making any mention of IMP using the broken sovereignty mechanics, eh olyyy?
Stop being so bitter that we caught on to your traitorous actions when you came back to RKK after XETIC collapsed.
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j0sephine
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Posted - 2005.10.23 15:49:00 -
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"Traveling through a force field in either direction will break target lock as originally intended.
http://myeve.eve-online.com/updates/patchnotes.asp?patchlogID=150
I had that feeling when I saw that fraps footage "wasn't it a fixed bug?""
Sadly, patch notes can be extremely vague.
(if you lock on a ship while outside of the bubble, then move inside the bubble, the target locks you had on others break. The way the note is worded it might as well refer to case where it'd be possible before to target people and then hide inside the bubble and still shoot them, being pretty much immune)
think if there's anything useful to pick from this thread, it's conclusion there's dire need for the official player guide and/or the EVE Support question database to be updated with clearly spelt out set of rules how all the new mechanics (POS, dreadnaughts, ouposts etc are supposed to work. Trying to go by couple of dev blogs and dev posts made at various stages of development, that contradict one another half of the time... simply doesn't cut it. I don't want to play a game where i have to ask myself at each step if what am doing doesn't happen to be an exploit --;;
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Elenia Kheynes
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Posted - 2005.10.23 15:58:00 -
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Originally by: Dianabolic
Originally by: Elenia Kheynes
The way your plan was executed is suspicious. At least if I had been involved in this I would have known that what I was doing wasn't an "usual tactic" rather a dirty one. Is it so hard to admit you knew something was wrong ? ;p
The way we "executed" our plan was as we always do - with prejudice. You're claiming we "exploited" something, we didn't. We targetted, we fired, they died.
Nice that you're not making any mention of IMP using the broken sovereignty mechanics, eh olyyy?
Stop being so bitter that we caught on to your traitorous actions when you came back to RKK after XETIC collapsed.
Well, I haven't used the word "exploit" anywhere, have I ?
I said "dirty" which has afaik no value for GMs ;p I chose specific words, stick to them when answering me =]
I also don't see your point about any supposed bitterness between RKK and myself. I like RKK and have a lot of respect in general for its capabilities and organisation. I also don't see what traitorous actions I did. I spinned a bit -as usual- but I don't think you were expecting a troublemaker like me to sit calmely and just follow orders ? Now if you want a real traitor, you've got KSU Druid with you Nothing I can do if you're unhappy with that
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j0sephine
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Posted - 2005.10.23 15:59:00 -
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"A large CT has 30km forcefield radius o,-
Original post says it's a large CT so at 15 or 16 km from control tower you pretty damn inside the foccefield ^^"
OK, make that "target is at distance X" and "target is at distance X+1" where X is determined by the size of control tower generating the field. :s
"You may also move your camera to see whether ships are out or within forcefield."
I suppose if you are aware of this particular bug (if it's indeed a bug and not intended behavious) then you could try to set camera focus on the control tower, then zoom out and rotate it so you have targeted ship within the field of view as it tries to make the run for the field, and then try to stop shooting at it as soon as you notice it enter the field. Rinse and repeat for every target you managed to get the lock at.
The obvious probem being, in typical battle environment it's about as viable as having a civil mollethread -.o
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Faramare
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Posted - 2005.10.23 16:01:00 -
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Originally by: Alasse Cuthalion
If the devs/GM's decide to set a precedent that FRAPS footage can be used for reimbursments I've got some highly interesting footage I'd like them to review again.
kthx!
Yet another example of the maturity of BoB. "If they get, I should too!"
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Fi T'Zeh
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Posted - 2005.10.23 16:02:00 -
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How cute, an alt.
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Elenia Kheynes
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Posted - 2005.10.23 16:05:00 -
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Originally by: j0sephine
"A large CT has 30km forcefield radius o,-
Original post says it's a large CT so at 15 or 16 km from control tower you pretty damn inside the foccefield ^^"
OK, make that "target is at distance X" and "target is at distance X+1" where X is determined by the size of control tower generating the field. :s
"You may also move your camera to see whether ships are out or within forcefield."
I suppose if you are aware of this particular bug (if it's indeed a bug and not intended behavious) then you could try to set camera focus on the control tower, then zoom out and rotate it so you have targeted ship within the field of view as it tries to make the run for the field, and then try to stop shooting at it as soon as you notice it enter the field. Rinse and repeat for every target you managed to get the lock at.
The obvious probem being, in typical battle environment it's about as viable as having a civil mollethread -.o
On the little footage Sir Molle was so proud of, we clearly see ships that are undoubtly within forcefield and very close from control tower getting shot at Either you were all wearing very dark sun glasses and had a white cane in the hand either you noticed it o,- ("you" = BoB & co. pilots involved in the operation)
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Fi T'Zeh
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Posted - 2005.10.23 16:11:00 -
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And there's no chance that those ships moved into the field from outside is there ?
Ok look it's simple. Next time we set out to defend our space, we'll just ask GM if it's ok to shoot at the hostiles before engaging. And if it is ok, and it's too late to do anything by then we'll just ask them nicely to remove the 3 large POS ?? Sensible.
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ZelRox
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Posted - 2005.10.23 16:12:00 -
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I foresee 10 pages on this one
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SirMolle
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Posted - 2005.10.23 16:16:00 -
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Originally by: Elenia Kheynes
On the little footage Sir Molle was so proud of, we clearly see ships that are undoubtly within forcefield and very close from control tower getting shot at Either you were all wearing very dark sun glasses and had a white cane in the hand either you noticed it o,- ("you" = BoB & co. pilots involved in the operation)
The footage taken is IMP's, we took none, IMP wanted to use it to prove that we are exploiting. We're using THEIR footage. We have nothing to hide.
All they had to do was to try and defend themselves properly, since they had the superior force. If their fleet had not run madly for the POS, but instead fought, the outcome may have been another.
When we first warped in, we landed inside THEIR bubble since there was no PW set. We couldnt do anything, we warped out, came back, and roasted them.
Call this whatever you want. We killed everything we could lock. Those who were protected by the bubble lived, or there would have been 18 bship kills, and there were not unfortunately.
3 large POS destroyed, you may call this dirty, i call it a victory.
Don't **** on our lawn.
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j0sephine
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Posted - 2005.10.23 16:25:00 -
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"On the little footage Sir Molle was so proud of, we clearly see ships that are undoubtly within forcefield and very close from control tower getting shot at "
It was actually Xirtam's video, from what i gather ^^
And yup, in that particular case you can see ship inside the shield getting shot at. It doesn't show though if they've been there for the whole time, or if simply moved in there after getting locked while outside. And if it's the case of latter, we're back to square one -- you're asking players to go out of their way to watch like a hawk if they aren't possibly breaking game rules (and these particular rules of engagament aren't really officially written down anywhere)
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prsr
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Posted - 2005.10.23 16:25:00 -
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I can understand BoB shot everything they could, but claiming that they didn't know it wasn't normal that you can maintain lock when a ship enters a pos forcefield is ridiculous. This issue has been raised before on the forums and was fixed (see Alenia's patch note quote) and is apparently broken again. I distinctly remember a thread about a starbase in gonditsa that was used by the local campers where this issue came up before.
BoB's intent was to shoot everything they could and let the GMs sort it out while you could take out the short term threat to your space. Don't try claiming you were unaware that this behaviour is not what CCP intended, I don't believe for a second your fleet commanders are that dense.
BoB did what they had to do, nothing more nothing less. Just don't try claiming ignorance please.
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Elenia Kheynes
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Posted - 2005.10.23 16:28:00 -
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Originally by: SirMolle
The footage taken is IMP's, we took none, IMP wanted to use it to prove that we are exploiting. We're using THEIR footage. We have nothing to hide.
All they had to do was to try and defend themselves properly, since they had the superior force. If their fleet had not run madly for the POS, but instead fought, the outcome may have been another.
When we first warped in, we landed inside THEIR bubble since there was no PW set. We couldnt do anything, we warped out, came back, and roasted them.
Call this whatever you want. We killed everything we could lock. Those who were protected by the bubble lived, or there would have been 18 bship kills, and there were not unfortunately.
3 large POS destroyed, you may call this dirty, i call it a victory.
Don't **** on our lawn.
The numerical advantage doesn't look that big tbh since on footage they have 34 people in gang for 70 in local. o,-
My problem here is with the "Those who were protected by the bubble lived" whereas I see several of them dying although they're hugging the control tower begging it to save them.
Also, footage shows that several BoB ships without a lock managed to lock a ship which was within forcefield (the pilot taking footage). It doesn't seem to be compatible with what you said in your original post.
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Robotek Hybrid
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Posted - 2005.10.23 16:33:00 -
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Bob can you put the vid on your website since cccp was kind enough to delete it out of your thread. thank you.
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The Reporter
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Posted - 2005.10.23 16:34:00 -
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Originally by: Elenia Kheynes
Originally by: SirMolle
The footage taken is IMP's, we took none, IMP wanted to use it to prove that we are exploiting. We're using THEIR footage. We have nothing to hide.
All they had to do was to try and defend themselves properly, since they had the superior force. If their fleet had not run madly for the POS, but instead fought, the outcome may have been another.
When we first warped in, we landed inside THEIR bubble since there was no PW set. We couldnt do anything, we warped out, came back, and roasted them.
Call this whatever you want. We killed everything we could lock. Those who were protected by the bubble lived, or there would have been 18 bship kills, and there were not unfortunately.
3 large POS destroyed, you may call this dirty, i call it a victory.
Don't **** on our lawn.
The numerical advantage doesn't look that big tbh since on footage they have 34 people in gang for 70 in local. o,-
My problem here is with the "Those who were protected by the bubble lived" whereas I see several of them dying although they're hugging the control tower begging it to save them.
Also, footage shows that several BoB ships without a lock managed to lock a ship which was within forcefield (the pilot taking footage). It doesn't seem to be compatible with what you said in your original post.
Bravo!
You have dissected the Spin-Masters post brilliantly.
What Part of "you cannot target anything in a bubble and you cannot target ANYTHING while you are in a bubble inside it and outside it Doesnt Sir Spindocktor understand?
Sploit is a Sploit and they are caught Red Handed.
Im surprised this thread is allowed to go on as the same ones from Imp and others Stating the Facts were quickly removed yet Basically staed the same thing only in reverse.
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Nafri
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Posted - 2005.10.23 16:35:00 -
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Originally by: The Reporter
Originally by: Elenia Kheynes
Originally by: SirMolle
The footage taken is IMP's, we took none, IMP wanted to use it to prove that we are exploiting. We're using THEIR footage. We have nothing to hide.
All they had to do was to try and defend themselves properly, since they had the superior force. If their fleet had not run madly for the POS, but instead fought, the outcome may have been another.
When we first warped in, we landed inside THEIR bubble since there was no PW set. We couldnt do anything, we warped out, came back, and roasted them.
Call this whatever you want. We killed everything we could lock. Those who were protected by the bubble lived, or there would have been 18 bship kills, and there were not unfortunately.
3 large POS destroyed, you may call this dirty, i call it a victory.
Don't **** on our lawn.
The numerical advantage doesn't look that big tbh since on footage they have 34 people in gang for 70 in local. o,-
My problem here is with the "Those who were protected by the bubble lived" whereas I see several of them dying although they're hugging the control tower begging it to save them.
Also, footage shows that several BoB ships without a lock managed to lock a ship which was within forcefield (the pilot taking footage). It doesn't seem to be compatible with what you said in your original post.
Bravo!
You have dissected the Spin-Masters post brilliantly.
What Part of "you cannot target anything in a bubble and you cannot target ANYTHING while you are in a bubble inside it and outside it Doesnt Sir Spindocktor understand?
Sploit is a Sploit and they are caught Red Handed.
Im surprised this thread is allowed to go on as the same ones from Imp and others Stating the Facts were quickly removed yet Basically staed the same thing only in reverse.
olyyy is quite a good forum warrior for sure 
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Robotek Hybrid
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Posted - 2005.10.23 16:39:00 -
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Oh found the vid on RKK's forums thanks RKK your the best <3
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XirtamVotf
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Posted - 2005.10.23 16:47:00 -
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At the sake of repeating myself, this fraps is not the only fraps. I will NOT show all the fraps because excuses wont be concocted, IMP wasnt able to fight back in the first video when ALL of us were inside and so WAS BOB, BOB locked us INSIDE the bubble but we could not fight or lock back.
The video you are seeing now was from Faust, the second Warp in after we changed the PW.
I still find it rather parculiar that all the BSs that warped in were tagetted after they entered the bubble, the whole video will confirm all of it.
Seems that the BOB members yesterday were calling IMP liars and show us the proof crap. and CCP were busy blocking and banning all IMP posts that Pertained to this fiasco.
I come here today and AGAIN BOB has and Sir Molle
have retorted with their version of what happened, which is utter bullcrap.
The funny thing was that GMs responded to this at the time this went on, but to find that there were
NO GMS on because of the fan fest.
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SirMolle
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Posted - 2005.10.23 16:49:00 -
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Originally by: XirtamVotf
At the sake of repeating myself, this fraps is not the only fraps.
By all means, release all the fraps. I beg you.
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Abdalion
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Posted - 2005.10.23 16:52:00 -
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Originally by: ZelRox
I foresee 10 pages on this one
I don't.
Locking this for the discussion of potential exploits. Thread is too far gone to clean.
Click.
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Elenia Kheynes
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Posted - 2005.10.23 16:53:00 -
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Originally by: The Reporter
Bravo!
You have dissected the Spin-Masters post brilliantly.
What Part of "you cannot target anything in a bubble and you cannot target ANYTHING while you are in a bubble inside it and outside it Doesnt Sir Spindocktor understand?
Sploit is a Sploit and they are caught Red Handed.
Im surprised this thread is allowed to go on as the same ones from Imp and others Stating the Facts were quickly removed yet Basically staed the same thing only in reverse.
I've never said it was an exploit ;p
I call this a "dirty tactic". Bug, exploit, admitted tactic or whatever ccp will call this it will still be a dirty tactic. I hope you see the difference o,-
In any case, there is no point in bragging about such tactic, posting a fraps from the enemy to see ho well executed it was etc... ^^
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