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Oveur	Posted - 2005.10.23 20:23:00 - [31] Originally by: j0sephine Edited by: j0sephine on 23/10/2005 18:06:05 Very nice name picked for the Chinese shard ^^ One concern... with the possibility of 'even moderately succesful' Chinese version outnumbering the 'rest of world' version like 70:30 or more, and with the need for all content to be localized... how likely it is for the content development to become focused on the Chinese version first, and then possibly being translated for what becomes 'that other, less profitable server', x months down the road..? Quite slim, only one person at CCP speaks Chinese _____________________________ "There's no reason to become alarmed, and we hope you'll enjoy the rest of your flight. By the way, is there anyone on board who knows how to fly a plane?"

Khatred	Posted - 2005.10.23 20:33:00 - [32] Originally by: Oveur Originally by: j0sephine Edited by: j0sephine on 23/10/2005 18:06:05 Very nice name picked for the Chinese shard ^^ One concern... with the possibility of 'even moderately succesful' Chinese version outnumbering the 'rest of world' version like 70:30 or more, and with the need for all content to be localized... how likely it is for the content development to become focused on the Chinese version first, and then possibly being translated for what becomes 'that other, less profitable server', x months down the road..? Quite slim, only one person at CCP speaks Chinese That's one too many, fire him!!! Joking ________________________________________________ The narrow minded and selfish people posting on EO forums made me bitter
SengH	Posted - 2005.10.23 20:34:00 - [33] Anything cool mentioned during that next generation of eve graphics seminar? I havent heard a squeak about that yet.
Nafri	Posted - 2005.10.23 21:22:00 - [34] Originally by: Soren omgz kieron stole first post from j00 naf! but only cause I read the blog before I posted -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Put your panties on your head!
Harry MacDougal	Posted - 2005.10.23 21:36:00 - [35] Edited by: Harry MacDougal on 23/10/2005 21:37:11 I posted this question in the dev blog as well, but since the devs are actually answering here, I'll move it :) It is my understanding that Jettison cans were never meant to be used for mining. However, the GMs/Devs/however decides exploits decided that ore theives balanced the huge amount a jet can can hold. As far as I know, the size of the jet can was determined based on the largest amount of stuff (a fully loaded Iteron Mk V) that could be left after a ship was blown up. Since there will soon be criminal flagging on the ore theives, I have a few questions: 1. Will jet cans be made smaller to compensate for the decreased ability of ore theives 2. Will jet cans be made bigger since freighers can hold me, thus aiding the miners who complain that all the cans are too small. 3. Will only the person who laid the can be able to fire, or will all his corpmates also get that right? 3a. If only the person who laid the can gets that right, will there be a restriction that only allows that person to put things into the can? I'm pleased with the idea as it pertains to lootcans, but I'm worried about ccp killing off several more professions simply because they're on the wrong side of the law. Piracy has all but left eve, and bounty hunting is still very difficult, although the greater ship lifespans may help with that (or may result in bigger gankfleets). BTW, the rest of the expansion looks amazing! EDIT: Typos -------------- Its just a matter of semantics. You call it a drinking problem, and I call it a reality exit strategy...
dacia	Posted - 2005.10.23 21:49:00 - [36] Anything on stuff to help alliances defending theyre territory , like sentry at gate or minefields of such? because for now the tactic that pay to weakening an alliance is to do harrassement
Nafri	Posted - 2005.10.23 21:50:00 - [37] The thing about the Caracal clearly shows the **** about shield tanking so basicly no ship is allowed ot be a competitive shield tanker cause it could use EW? or other way said, no long range ship should be the pwn? -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Put your panties on your head!
Grizwold	Posted - 2005.10.23 22:04:00 - [38] Please explain the "cultural" aspect of Chinese E-Baying... Are you saying that the Chinese players may use E-Bay, but Western players cannot..or we can if we only sell to the Chinese... To allow E-bay selling will ruin the game...I can't believe you are going to allow it and say it is "cultural". People want cash and it has nothing to do with culture. Please say this isn't true guys...
Pottsey	Posted - 2005.10.23 22:10:00 - [39] ôWe're also doing two Tech 2 Battlecruisers, the Command Ship and the Fleet Command ship,ö ThatÆs great news I cannot wait to see what you come up with and the Mindlinks sound good. ônow focusing on prolonging combat by adding new defensive skills and improvements on a lot of defensive modules.ö I am still converned about this. ItÆs a great idea but my problem is the new shield extenders on the test server shorten combat not prolong it. Due to the increase in signature per extender a battleship with 4 extenders with the new changes is a lot weaker and lasts less time in combat over what we have now. _________________________________________________ Nominate famous people in Eve who had an impact on you.
Nafri	Posted - 2005.10.23 22:13:00 - [40] Originally by: Grizwold Please explain the "cultural" aspect of Chinese E-Baying... Are you saying that the Chinese players may use E-Bay, but Western players cannot..or we can if we only sell to the Chinese... To allow E-bay selling will ruin the game...I can't believe you are going to allow it and say it is "cultural". People want cash and it has nothing to do with culture. Please say this isn't true guys... then dutch gets cultural drugs next time -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Put your panties on your head!
Nelix Trist	Posted - 2005.10.23 22:23:00 - [41] Edited by: Nelix Trist on 23/10/2005 22:23:21 Just another question.. planetary flights delayed to later expanction... Now i love eve to bits but.... how long do they think the game will last (how long will CCP support it) So far itÆs been in encroments of - 1 year and new expanction (except kali 6 months later (2yeas)) If this promised stuff will come surly by then games would have moved on in terms of graphics and game play... if CCP are planning on keeping up with this kind of development during the years of eve online will it be soon upgrading its graphics and game play... or will eve become part of the past and stay with the current mechanicÆs as it has.... ----------------------------------
Derron Bel	Posted - 2005.10.23 22:50:00 - [42] I think what the blog is getting at is that item and character selling is a much more accepted part of asian gaming culture than it is of western. -==- Holy-Jim> as you know, surprise is the key to victory.....surprise! LooseCannoN> ahh! LooseCannoN> my plans have been foiled!
Victor Mason	Posted - 2005.10.23 22:59:00 - [43] Originally by: Nelix Trist Edited by: Nelix Trist on 23/10/2005 22:23:21 Just another question.. planetary flights delayed to later expanction... Now i love eve to bits but.... how long do they think the game will last (how long will CCP support it) So far itÆs been in encroments of - 1 year and new expanction (except kali 6 months later (2yeas)) If this promised stuff will come surly by then games would have moved on in terms of graphics and game play... if CCP are planning on keeping up with this kind of development during the years of eve online will it be soon upgrading its graphics and game play... or will eve become part of the past and stay with the current mechanicÆs as it has.... Nelix... There is a big remake of the GFX in game (Looking good what I have seen). I am thinking of making a Third account with one of the new blood lines... (Small Cute Chinaees Girl )
Ranger 1	Posted - 2005.10.23 23:03:00 - [44] I think it's pretty obvious that Isk and equipment generated on the Serenity will not be compatible or usable on Tranquility. For identification purposes this should not be an issue either, as ISK will bear the Chinese symbol for ISK (assuming they have one) and all equipment will have the Chinese name. If Isk and equipment are not interchangable between the two servers, it will affect us not at all.
Expert Newbie	Posted - 2005.10.23 23:16:00 - [45] Originally by: Grizwold Please explain the "cultural" aspect of Chinese E-Baying... Are you saying that the Chinese players may use E-Bay, but Western players cannot..or we can if we only sell to the Chinese... To allow E-bay selling will ruin the game...I can't believe you are going to allow it and say it is "cultural". People want cash and it has nothing to do with culture. Please say this isn't true guys... Please point out where in Oveur's post where he said that they will allow Chinese players to sell items on eBay. You can't find it? That's because he didn't say selling on eBay. He said selling of items by the company that made the game or inter-player item trading. Frankly, I don't understand why people are so adamant about selling items in-game. Think about it in this sense. You go on the in-game market and find a nice sword that you want to buy. Someone had to put in hours of mob killing to get that sword. You had to put in hours into the game to earn the gold to buy it. How is this any different than say, you spending time working in real life to earn the cash to buy the item using real money, instead of spending time in-game and earning the gold to buy it? Regardless of your viewpoint on this matter, the selling of virtual items for real cash is here to stay. Look at the number of games out there that are free to play, but have items you can buy for real cash. There's Talesweaver, Shattered Galaxy (and all Nexon games), Gunbound, etc... Just as you would denounce someone for buying virtual items for real-life cash because it's 'unfair and taking the easy way out', I can just as easily accuse you of taking the easy way out for buying a powerful weapon with in-game gold instead of killing the mobs yourself and getting it. Either way, you had to earn the gold/cash by sacrificing time. P.S. I have never bought any virtual items using in-game cash because I think it's a waste of my money, but I fail to understand why everyone is so adamant against it. -----
Trepkos	Posted - 2005.10.23 23:41:00 - [46] Originally by: Nafri since I see mataris on the pics, you will boost them?! :D nah that huge red planet is really a giant garbage compactor symbolizing the nerfage of minmatar ships once again... ---------------- Axe keepiru
KilROCK	Posted - 2005.10.23 23:52:00 - [47] Originally by: Trepkos Originally by: Nafri since I see mataris on the pics, you will boost them?! :D nah that huge red planet is really a giant garbage compactor symbolizing the nerfage of minmatar ships once again... l m a o They all going to the compactor ROFL
Serilla	Posted - 2005.10.24 00:21:00 - [48] Originally by: Expert Newbie Originally by: Grizwold Please explain the "cultural" aspect of Chinese E-Baying... Are you saying that the Chinese players may use E-Bay, but Western players cannot..or we can if we only sell to the Chinese... To allow E-bay selling will ruin the game...I can't believe you are going to allow it and say it is "cultural". People want cash and it has nothing to do with culture. Please say this isn't true guys... Please point out where in Oveur's post where he said that they will allow Chinese players to sell items on eBay. You can't find it? That's because he didn't say selling on eBay. He said selling of items by the company that made the game or inter-player item trading. Frankly, I don't understand why people are so adamant about selling items in-game. Think about it in this sense. You go on the in-game market and find a nice sword that you want to buy. Someone had to put in hours of mob killing to get that sword. You had to put in hours into the game to earn the gold to buy it. How is this any different than say, you spending time working in real life to earn the cash to buy the item using real money, instead of spending time in-game and earning the gold to buy it? Regardless of your viewpoint on this matter, the selling of virtual items for real cash is here to stay. Look at the number of games out there that are free to play, but have items you can buy for real cash. There's Talesweaver, Shattered Galaxy (and all Nexon games), Gunbound, etc... Just as you would denounce someone for buying virtual items for real-life cash because it's 'unfair and taking the easy way out', I can just as easily accuse you of taking the easy way out for buying a powerful weapon with in-game gold instead of killing the mobs yourself and getting it. Either way, you had to earn the gold/cash by sacrificing time. P.S. I have never bought any virtual items using in-game cash because I think it's a waste of my money, but I fail to understand why everyone is so adamant against it. Not all people even work for the real life money that they spend. Many of them are just given money by their parents. Limiting the aquisition of items to ingame currency is the only way to make sure everyone has a fair shake. Lightbringer Intergalactic - CEO The Confederation - Council Member Lightbringer Intergalactic Corperate Website
Darius Shakor	Posted - 2005.10.24 00:23:00 - [49] Edited by: Darius Shakor on 24/10/2005 00:23:59 I just fot back home about 15 mins since. Just to say without a doubt, it was worth every penny and more. Some very promising stuff and was really great to finally meet the guys behind the scene. There was nothing about the info at the fanfest that made me cringe. All wicked stuff... Well, except maybe... Oveur, dude, you really need to shave your back... I really didn't need to see that, honestly. But beyond that, to quite the man himself, 'YARRBQ!' And also, just a big-up to Kieron for the excelent job he did keeping it all running well too. ------ Pain is meant to be felt. It is meant to exist.
Ticondrius	Posted - 2005.10.24 01:54:00 - [50] Edited by: Ticondrius on 24/10/2005 01:54:48 YES! Interdictors! *plays the Imperial march in Winamp... I remember a line from the Star Wars extended universe along the lines of "...and as the grey triangle that stabbed into the space in front of him solidified, he felt his stomach turn on itself as he realized what it was...an Interdictor Cruiser." Please tell me these are useable in any sec level???
Famine Aligher'ri	Posted - 2005.10.24 02:30:00 - [51] What about bounty hunters? -Famine Aligher'ri, of The Aligher'ri
Kerosene	Posted - 2005.10.24 02:42:00 - [52] Originally by: Oveur Originally by: j0sephine Edited by: j0sephine on 23/10/2005 18:06:05 Very nice name picked for the Chinese shard ^^ One concern... with the possibility of 'even moderately succesful' Chinese version outnumbering the 'rest of world' version like 70:30 or more, and with the need for all content to be localized... how likely it is for the content development to become focused on the Chinese version first, and then possibly being translated for what becomes 'that other, less profitable server', x months down the road..? Quite slim, only one person at CCP speaks Chinese I did email about 7 different CCP addresses in an attempt to make it 2 people but I guess it got lost in the post :( I'll post here instead. Short version is, if you need an eve player who knows all the terminology and has a near perfect command of English then email me. __
QwaarJet	Posted - 2005.10.24 03:17:00 - [53] Edited by: QwaarJet on 24/10/2005 03:18:04 Originally by: kieron Originally by: QwaarJet Good job on quietly adding that bit at the bottom of "no planetary flight.".Yet another broken promise. Planetary flight has not been cancelled, only delayed to a later expansion. Here's the rest of the statement, posted just for you because you neglected to read it, "Planetary Flight will not be in Kali, the effort required to make that the way we want to do it and how EVE deserves it makes all of Red Moon Rising pale in comparison. We might have to notch it down a bit in the end but it's currently post-Kali and requires a full expansion in itself. To do so would push Kali back into roughly 2007. So, what would you rather have? More content now with planetary flight delayed to its own expansion, or no major content added for 18 months to make absolutely sure that planetary flight was in Kali. I'm not saying you made the wrong decision, obviously delaying content patches would be stupid, what i'm saying is that it shouldn't have happened in the first place, because CCP promised planetary flight for Kali, and they could not deliver.Regardless of the reason, they broke a promise that was made over a year ago I know it hasn't been cancelled, but it seems that everything that requires an ounce of effort is delayed in EVE, and it just get's very annoying after a while. But i'm not too concerned about planetary flight, I would like to know how high on the priority list Tier 3 Battleships are.I know a lot of people that would personally give their left arm to have them in by the end of the year, and they IMHO should be higher up the list then Tech 2 Battlecruisers and Destroyers. PS. I read the entire blog, so there was no reason to repost that part of it. "Hobbes, she stepped into the Perimter Of Wisdom.Run!"
Derron Bel	Posted - 2005.10.24 20:04:00 - [54] Exodus features... the system wide roid belts, comets, etc. are pushed back indefinitely due to impracticality... mega-wallet..dunno, but i presume that it will be part of Contracts Contracts will supposedly go in with Kali. Apparently Contracts suffered major feature creep. -==- Holy-Jim> as you know, surprise is the key to victory.....surprise! LooseCannoN> ahh! LooseCannoN> my plans have been foiled!
Dale Cussler	Posted - 2005.10.24 20:06:00 - [55] Originally by: kieron The average time put in by the Devs per day is well in excess of 11, not the normal office hours of 8. Why couldn't you have written it all in Perl, I'd so be applying for a job (Got any open positions for uh, an office coffee-fetcher or something? :P) /Dale
Nelix Trist	Posted - 2005.10.24 23:02:00 - [56] Originally by: Dale Cussler (Got any open positions for uh, an office coffee-fetcher or something? :P) I asked first! ----------------------------------
Damien Vox	Posted - 2005.10.25 01:12:00 - [57] Can we fly fighters please...
Rangoon	Posted - 2005.10.25 07:36:00 - [58] Ref: The Chinese servers Question Will U.S people be able to play on Serenity? I'm more then two years behind many of the original players and might want to take up the opportunity to start fresh and competitive rather then getting blown or hunted down and blown up or chased off in Low Sec space for mining hi-val mats. Comments They ain't kidding about Asians selling items for $$$, but it's not cultural really. What it is is very difficult to control and beings that it's taking place in a far away place in a far away language makes it even moreso. They also will wring out exploits left and right. Again not cultural, they just are super competitive in their mmorpg. They also will form very tight very organized structures and they will keep the pressure up. If they came to tranquility enmasse, the Asian Clique would be ruling the prime regions with iron fists. They will have real life partnerships where they farm spawns day and night and rake in ISK ergo $$$ doing so. Suggestions CCP should undermine Ebay. They should have an offline auction system for ingame items for in game ISK only. Perhaps some systems interspersed within each region of empire space only, where items have to be escrowed for offline auctions, and can only be bought there and delivered there. Then let the people launder their ISK into real $$$ on ebay. Who cares and why. Ya can't be powerleved with it. Heck, CCP can charge $1 extra per month for this ability -- that safe guarantees off trades. Allow account sales at the in game auction place, but the toon goes into escrow and can't be played until sold or auction canceled or no bid. Heck, lets turn toons into book marks, or contracts corporations can sell.
Darius Shakor	Posted - 2005.10.25 11:16:00 - [59] Quote: Question Will U.S people be able to play on Serenity? I'm more then two years behind many of the original players and might want to take up the opportunity to start fresh and competitive rather then getting blown or hunted down and blown up or chased off in Low Sec space for mining hi-val mats. They said nothing prevents it but the technology at hand today. The whole point of going there is so that the Chinese people can have a good connection rate because trying to connect to the server in London from there would be bad and visa versa. But I don't know about the connection quality from the US. But yeah, it will be possible. Quote: CCP should undermine Ebay. They should have an offline auction system for ingame items for in game ISK only. That would simply not work. You think people sell on Ebay because they have problems selling in game? They do it because they want to make real money for their greedy little mits off of their game play. (Which is ilegal under the EULA btw) Quote: Perhaps some systems interspersed within each region of empire space only, where items have to be escrowed for offline auctions, and can only be bought there and delivered there. Then let the people launder their ISK into real $$$ on ebay. Who cares and why. Ya can't be powerleved with it. Heck, CCP can charge $1 extra per month for this ability -- that safe guarantees off trades. Again, you don't understand the kind of damage it does to a game where the rampant selling of in game money for out of game money causes mas inflation in the market model. And that kind of suggestion, where CCP get something from it, will not stop them, they will pump up the exchange rates they sell isk for to make up for this, which can be seen in real terms as a tax. Things get taxed, prices go up, like oil in a way, so the net income remains the same. And if people suddenly could do this without the fear of having their accounts wiped and maybe legal action too, then it would be a wider problem that it is now. The only difference is that CCP would not have to worry about it anymore. And after trying so hard since release to stamp it out, why would they suddenly legitemise it so they can make money off it too? I can't see CCP being that hypocritical personally. ------ Pain is meant to be felt. It is meant to exist.
Discorporation	Posted - 2005.10.25 11:32:00 - [60] I don't think CCP will -create- items for the purpose of selling them. I think they'd rather have the items ingame sold from player to player. That way, CCP is not directly involved in the trade, they merely facilitate it. [23]

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